Here is the latest...

Lima_Charlie · April 19th, 2005, 22:39

So I get to the airport today about 10:30 or so. And what do I hear when I walk through the door... the DVT Center Director had been let go. In the Pam Am world, this is pretty big news! The Pan Am CEO, Wally David, has taken a very personal/hands on role in the direction that Pan Am is going, and I guess the center director was no longer seen as an asset. For those that have surfed this forum for a decent length of time, the former Director was the sole remaining person from the "MavMB" era, if that tells you anything.

From what I hear, in part based on some of the feedback that has been received from this website, the goal is to get back "in touch" with the customer. What exactly that is going to entail is the big question.

DE727 asked in another thread why PA continues to support this website. Well, in part, I think it is because this website has been a great source of feedback for the upper management on how PA is being perceived by other members of the aviation community. I think it says alot for a school to continue to support this site despite the cold reception it has received from some of the members. I would be very disappointed if PA pulled its support just because of a few unfavorable opinions.

I know that I have said that changes are coming, but now with Wally calling the shots, I think the log jam will soon be broken.

project7 · April 19th, 2005, 23:05

I really do hope that pan am makes positive (and somewhat drastic) changes. The potential to be a very good school exists, and hopefully any new management won't be hestitant to do what is necessary.

Any word about this new program structure you talked about?

Lima_Charlie · April 19th, 2005, 23:38

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I really do hope that pan am makes positive (and somewhat drastic) changes. The potential to be a very good school exists, and hopefully any new management won't be hestitant to do what is necessary.

Any word about this new program structure you talked about?

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Well, based on the drastic changes that have happened in the last few weeks, it wouldn't surprise me at all if more are on the horizon. I believe most of the changes will be focused on relationship PA has with it's customer/student.

I wish I had more info on the new structure. I haven't heard much since all the other stuff has happened. I am sure when the dust starts to settle, I will have more info to share.

kellwolf · April 19th, 2005, 23:54

I'd love to see Pan Am go the way of interacting with their students instead of just talking to regionals to get logos on their advertising. Now, if they change and start presenting a more realistic picture of the industry, that'd be even better. Already too many snake oil salesmen out there, and if Pan Am can turn it around, kudos.

DE727UPS · April 19th, 2005, 23:57

I think the problem with PanAm and this forum is that many people here have been involved with flight training in many different forms. Anything from part 61 little school privates to major airline 757 pilots. It's hard to BS people who have experience and, except for those who have directly experienced PanAm, we have nothing more to go on than a couple of positive posters, a few negative posters, and a PanAm website that anyone with experience can see right through.

To impress me, PanAm would have to buy a fleet of Luscombe taildraggers and start teaching pilots how to REALLY fly, none of this glass cockpit BS or trying to create an airline pilot the academy level. Any good pilot can BECOME a good airline pilot. It's not that big a deal. But REAL pilots fly taildraggers, like the 1946 Luscombe 8A I just bought. Trust me, any dip#### can be an airline pilot.....

kellwolf · April 20th, 2005, 00:01

Oooh, Don, can I bum a ride in that thing? One of these days I want to at least get my tailwheel if not buy a taildragger myself. I had way too much fun flying a Citabria, and that's a modern plane. I'm dying to get my hands on the stick of an older taildragger.

project7 · April 20th, 2005, 00:03

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like the 1946 Luscombe 8A I just bought.

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Hell Yeah Don!

Lima_Charlie · April 20th, 2005, 00:14

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I think the problem with PanAm and this forum is that many people here have been involved with flight training in many different forms. Anything from part 61 little school privates to major airline 757 pilots. It's hard to BS people who have experience and, except for those who have directly experienced PanAm, we have nothing more to go on than a couple of positive posters, a few negative posters, and a PanAm website that anyone with experience can see right through.

To impress me, PanAm would have to buy a fleet of Luscombe taildraggers and start teaching pilots how to REALLY fly, none of this glass cockpit BS or trying to create an airline pilot the academy level. Any good pilot can BECOME a good airline pilot. It's not that big a deal. But REAL pilots fly taildraggers, like the 1946 Luscombe 8A I just bought. Trust me, any dip#### can be an airline pilot.....

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Well, since "impressing you" is very low on the priority list, I don't expect to see any Luscombe a/c on our ramp any time soon. However, I do think it would be a very valuable experience. I think some aerobatic training would also be a great experience.

kellwolf · April 20th, 2005, 00:39

Forget the aerobatics, just do some landings. First time landings in a taildragger are VERY humbling......

Lima_Charlie · April 20th, 2005, 00:53

I have heard landing a t/d can be pretty interesting, much less just taxing!!

kellwolf · April 20th, 2005, 01:06

Depends. The Citabria isn't too bad on taxi from the front seat since you're sitting so high up. It's about the same as a tricycle gear in low wind conditions. Never had to taxi one in high wind conditions, but I was told to keep the stick back to make sure the tailwheel stays on the ground just in case.

SmitteyB · April 20th, 2005, 12:58

You know the glass cockpit stuff that ATP and now DCA advertise is funny....

You're telling me that an LCD altimeter is going to read so much differently than a normal C172P circa 1981 is going to?

ATP says, our new glass cockpit Diamond DA16....will help you get the training in new aircraft so you can jump right into an automated regional jet...

Give me a break...Good point DE727

stuckingfk · April 20th, 2005, 13:23

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I have heard landing a t/d can be pretty interesting, much less just taxing!!

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I had an awesome time today in the Decathalon. It was my second flight ever in this plane, but the first time I handled any of the landings.

All I can say is. wow. Hopefully I'll have my tailwheel endorsement by next week.

Next flight is tomorrow, whoo hoo

Lima_Charlie · April 20th, 2005, 13:46

[ QUOTE ]
You know the glass cockpit stuff that ATP and now DCA advertise is funny....

You're telling me that an LCD altimeter is going to read so much differently than a normal C172P circa 1981 is going to?

ATP says, our new glass cockpit Diamond DA16....will help you get the training in new aircraft so you can jump right into an automated regional jet...

Give me a break...Good point DE727

[/ QUOTE ]

I think you might be surprised. There is alot going on in that little computerized space. Lets us know when/if you actually get a chance to try it.

Mavmb · April 23rd, 2005, 01:17

[ QUOTE ]
So I get to the airport today about 10:30 or so. And what do I hear when I walk through the door... the DVT Center Director had been let go. In the Pam Am world, this is pretty big news! The Pan Am CEO, Wally David, has taken a very personal/hands on role in the direction that Pan Am is going, and I guess the center director was no longer seen as an asset. For those that have surfed this forum for a decent length of time, the former Director was the sole remaining person from the "MavMB" era, if that tells you anything.

From what I hear, in part based on some of the feedback that has been received from this website, the goal is to get back "in touch" with the customer. What exactly that is going to entail is the big question.

DE727 asked in another thread why PA continues to support this website. Well, in part, I think it is because this website has been a great source of feedback for the upper management on how PA is being perceived by other members of the aviation community. I think it says alot for a school to continue to support this site despite the cold reception it has received from some of the members. I would be very disappointed if PA pulled its support just because of a few unfavorable opinions.

I know that I have said that changes are coming, but now with Wally calling the shots, I think the log jam will soon be broken.

[/ QUOTE ]

"Mavmb era" Wow, I'm famous!

Lima_Charlie · April 23rd, 2005, 01:35

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"Mavmb era" Wow, I'm famous!

[/ QUOTE ]

Silly Mav... you make me laugh...

April 19th, 2005, 22:39	#1
Lima_Charlie Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 563	Here is the latest... So I get to the airport today about 10:30 or so. And what do I hear when I walk through the door... the DVT Center Director had been let go. In the Pam Am world, this is pretty big news! The Pan Am CEO, Wally David, has taken a very personal/hands on role in the direction that Pan Am is going, and I guess the center director was no longer seen as an asset. For those that have surfed this forum for a decent length of time, the former Director was the sole remaining person from the "MavMB" era, if that tells you anything. From what I hear, in part based on some of the feedback that has been received from this website, the goal is to get back "in touch" with the customer. What exactly that is going to entail is the big question. DE727 asked in another thread why PA continues to support this website. Well, in part, I think it is because this website has been a great source of feedback for the upper management on how PA is being perceived by other members of the aviation community. I think it says alot for a school to continue to support this site despite the cold reception it has received from some of the members. I would be very disappointed if PA pulled its support just because of a few unfavorable opinions. I know that I have said that changes are coming, but now with Wally calling the shots, I think the log jam will soon be broken.

April 19th, 2005, 23:05	#2
project7 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 430	Re: Here is the latest... I really do hope that pan am makes positive (and somewhat drastic) changes. The potential to be a very good school exists, and hopefully any new management won't be hestitant to do what is necessary. Any word about this new program structure you talked about?

April 19th, 2005, 23:38	#3
Lima_Charlie Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 563	Re: Here is the latest... [ QUOTE ] I really do hope that pan am makes positive (and somewhat drastic) changes. The potential to be a very good school exists, and hopefully any new management won't be hestitant to do what is necessary. Any word about this new program structure you talked about? [/ QUOTE ] Well, based on the drastic changes that have happened in the last few weeks, it wouldn't surprise me at all if more are on the horizon. I believe most of the changes will be focused on relationship PA has with it's customer/student. I wish I had more info on the new structure. I haven't heard much since all the other stuff has happened. I am sure when the dust starts to settle, I will have more info to share.

April 19th, 2005, 23:54	#4
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,230	Re: Here is the latest... I'd love to see Pan Am go the way of interacting with their students instead of just talking to regionals to get logos on their advertising. Now, if they change and start presenting a more realistic picture of the industry, that'd be even better. Already too many snake oil salesmen out there, and if Pan Am can turn it around, kudos.

April 19th, 2005, 23:57	#5
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,578	Re: Here is the latest... I think the problem with PanAm and this forum is that many people here have been involved with flight training in many different forms. Anything from part 61 little school privates to major airline 757 pilots. It's hard to BS people who have experience and, except for those who have directly experienced PanAm, we have nothing more to go on than a couple of positive posters, a few negative posters, and a PanAm website that anyone with experience can see right through. To impress me, PanAm would have to buy a fleet of Luscombe taildraggers and start teaching pilots how to REALLY fly, none of this glass cockpit BS or trying to create an airline pilot the academy level. Any good pilot can BECOME a good airline pilot. It's not that big a deal. But REAL pilots fly taildraggers, like the 1946 Luscombe 8A I just bought. Trust me, any dip#### can be an airline pilot.....

April 20th, 2005, 00:01	#6
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,230	Re: Here is the latest... Oooh, Don, can I bum a ride in that thing? One of these days I want to at least get my tailwheel if not buy a taildragger myself. I had way too much fun flying a Citabria, and that's a modern plane. I'm dying to get my hands on the stick of an older taildragger.

April 20th, 2005, 00:03	#7
project7 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 430	Re: Here is the latest... [ QUOTE ] like the 1946 Luscombe 8A I just bought. [/ QUOTE ] Hell Yeah Don!

April 20th, 2005, 00:14	#8
Lima_Charlie Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 563	Re: Here is the latest... [ QUOTE ] I think the problem with PanAm and this forum is that many people here have been involved with flight training in many different forms. Anything from part 61 little school privates to major airline 757 pilots. It's hard to BS people who have experience and, except for those who have directly experienced PanAm, we have nothing more to go on than a couple of positive posters, a few negative posters, and a PanAm website that anyone with experience can see right through. To impress me, PanAm would have to buy a fleet of Luscombe taildraggers and start teaching pilots how to REALLY fly, none of this glass cockpit BS or trying to create an airline pilot the academy level. Any good pilot can BECOME a good airline pilot. It's not that big a deal. But REAL pilots fly taildraggers, like the 1946 Luscombe 8A I just bought. Trust me, any dip#### can be an airline pilot..... [/ QUOTE ] Well, since "impressing you" is very low on the priority list, I don't expect to see any Luscombe a/c on our ramp any time soon. However, I do think it would be a very valuable experience. I think some aerobatic training would also be a great experience.

April 20th, 2005, 00:39	#9
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,230	Re: Here is the latest... Forget the aerobatics, just do some landings. First time landings in a taildragger are VERY humbling......

April 20th, 2005, 00:53	#10
Lima_Charlie Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 563	Re: Here is the latest... I have heard landing a t/d can be pretty interesting, much less just taxing!!

April 20th, 2005, 01:06	#11
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,230	Re: Here is the latest... Depends. The Citabria isn't too bad on taxi from the front seat since you're sitting so high up. It's about the same as a tricycle gear in low wind conditions. Never had to taxi one in high wind conditions, but I was told to keep the stick back to make sure the tailwheel stays on the ground just in case.

April 20th, 2005, 12:58	#12
SmitteyB Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 1,974	Re: Here is the latest... You know the glass cockpit stuff that ATP and now DCA advertise is funny.... You're telling me that an LCD altimeter is going to read so much differently than a normal C172P circa 1981 is going to? ATP says, our new glass cockpit Diamond DA16....will help you get the training in new aircraft so you can jump right into an automated regional jet... Give me a break...Good point DE727

April 20th, 2005, 13:23	#13
stuckingfk Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: El Forko Grande Posts: 2,630	Re: Here is the latest... [ QUOTE ] I have heard landing a t/d can be pretty interesting, much less just taxing!! [/ QUOTE ] I had an awesome time today in the Decathalon. It was my second flight ever in this plane, but the first time I handled any of the landings. All I can say is. wow. Hopefully I'll have my tailwheel endorsement by next week. Next flight is tomorrow, whoo hoo

April 20th, 2005, 13:46	#14
Lima_Charlie Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 563	Re: Here is the latest... [ QUOTE ] You know the glass cockpit stuff that ATP and now DCA advertise is funny.... You're telling me that an LCD altimeter is going to read so much differently than a normal C172P circa 1981 is going to? ATP says, our new glass cockpit Diamond DA16....will help you get the training in new aircraft so you can jump right into an automated regional jet... Give me a break...Good point DE727 [/ QUOTE ] I think you might be surprised. There is alot going on in that little computerized space. Lets us know when/if you actually get a chance to try it.

April 23rd, 2005, 01:17	#15
Mavmb Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 2,169	Re: Here is the latest... [ QUOTE ] So I get to the airport today about 10:30 or so. And what do I hear when I walk through the door... the DVT Center Director had been let go. In the Pam Am world, this is pretty big news! The Pan Am CEO, Wally David, has taken a very personal/hands on role in the direction that Pan Am is going, and I guess the center director was no longer seen as an asset. For those that have surfed this forum for a decent length of time, the former Director was the sole remaining person from the "MavMB" era, if that tells you anything. From what I hear, in part based on some of the feedback that has been received from this website, the goal is to get back "in touch" with the customer. What exactly that is going to entail is the big question. DE727 asked in another thread why PA continues to support this website. Well, in part, I think it is because this website has been a great source of feedback for the upper management on how PA is being perceived by other members of the aviation community. I think it says alot for a school to continue to support this site despite the cold reception it has received from some of the members. I would be very disappointed if PA pulled its support just because of a few unfavorable opinions. I know that I have said that changes are coming, but now with Wally calling the shots, I think the log jam will soon be broken. [/ QUOTE ] "Mavmb era" Wow, I'm famous!

April 23rd, 2005, 01:35	#16
Lima_Charlie Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 563	Re: Here is the latest... [ QUOTE ] "Mavmb era" Wow, I'm famous! [/ QUOTE ] Silly Mav... you make me laugh...

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