The 80 hour multi time building program - carefull..!

[minds_warped]

I just got back from an interview with a major regional airline. They are not counting ANY time if it is logged as safety pilot or time building with another multi engine pilot. If it's dual given, dual received, or solo then you're OK.
Anyone who is looking at going to Pan-Am and spending the $$$$$$$ for 80 hours of this time be very carefull before you spend that kind of cake for something that will send you home before the interview even starts.

[stuckingfk]

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I just got back from an interview with a major regional airline. They are not counting ANY time if it is logged as safety pilot or time building with another multi engine pilot. If it's dual given, dual received, or solo then you're OK.
Anyone who is looking at going to Pan-Am and spending the $$$$$$$ for 80 hours of this time be very carefull before you spend that kind of cake for something that will send you home before the interview even starts.

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I said this in a previous thread, but nobody seemed to bother.

[project7]

I guess that would apply to the other multi-time building stuff out there like skymates, ari-ben, and ATP. Would you mind telling us what airline you interviewed with? I could see this becoming a trend.

[JEP]

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They are not counting ANY time if it is logged as safety pilot or time building with another multi engine pilot.

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Now that would be troublesome. If my memory serves me correctly, that is how a majority, if not all places allow you to build the multi-time at the lower prices.???? I realize this is a PanAm thread, but that may apply to almost every other training set-up, correct????

[stuckingfk]

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They are not counting ANY time if it is logged as safety pilot or time building with another multi engine pilot.

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Now that would be troublesome. If my memory serves me correctly, that is how a majority, if not all places allow you to build the multi-time at the lower prices.???? I realize this is a PanAm thread, but that may apply to almost every other training set-up, correct????

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Look on aviationinterviews.com, Eagle sent someone packing when they realized all his time was him acting as a safety pilot.

I like JetBlues requirement, PIC time only counts when you sign for the aircraft, ie. flight instructor, solo time, jump pilot, VFR/IFR 135 single pilot time, etc.

[DE727UPS]

What airline was it? I think that would be good for people to know.

[kellwolf]

I'm curious to know which airline it is, too. I'm guessing not XJT since that would totally off-set their agreement with ATP. If most airlines started doing this, then Pan Am, ATP, Ari-Ben, Skymates, etc would take a big hit, and we'd see a LOT more MEIs.

[JEP]

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If most airlines started doing this, then Pan Am, ATP, Ari-Ben, Skymates, etc would take a big hit, and we'd see a LOT more MEIs.

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Quick, somebody let FlyingNole know about this.

[kellwolf]

Wouldn't affect him. If I was spending $30K on ME time, I better be the only one in the plane. Otherwise the school/renter is gettting a total of $60k!

[BobDDuck]

From what I have heard recently, Eagle doesn't accept saftey pilot time. Actually, what I was told is that they will take it as total time and ME time, but it can't make up a large percentage of the time although I don't know what "a large percentage" is.

Ack, here I am posting in the infamous Pan Am forum... I hope I don't catch anything.

Ethan

[RedCFI]

I'm not sure which airline you're interviewing with but I went through Pan Am and I was in the first class doing the "route" program back in 2000. They let us take the planes up to kentucky and keep them overnight, thats how old school it was then. Anyways, myself and all my fellow students from there used the safety pilot time and we're all on with regionals.. even the "major" regionals (which is the stupidest thing I've ever heard anyone call it). There is even one guy that is on with Continental now (mainline 757, not XJ). So,.. don't let this get you distracted its a proven system. Quit over thinking the situation you're going to act as an MEI before going to an airline anyways.

[greaper007]

Hey red, how are you paying back your Pan Am loan?

[aloft]

You need to post the carrier's name. This information is useless otherwise.

I'm wondering if this is a huge deal or not, though. You're not required to note in your logbook what is "safety pilot" time and what isn't. If you and the pilot under the hood agree prior to the flight that you are acting as PIC, then the entry in your log should just show up as VFR PIC time. If you're logging it as simulated instrument time, then you HAVE to list the safety pilot's name in your logbook.

I'd say this could be a problem at interview time only if you were alternating legs with somebody, as is the case in most timebuilding schemes. In that instance, it wouldn't be a stretch for an interviewer examining your logbooks to deduce that the VFR legs between simulated instrument ones were as safety pilot.

I'll tell you why this is bogus, though: do you think any of the majors require pilots coming from the regionals to not count any of their PIC time where they were the pilot not flying? I don't think so.