shuting down in FL???

flyallday · April 5th, 2005, 15:58

I heard they are going to shut down there FL campus? Any truth to that?

DE727UPS · April 5th, 2005, 17:07

I don't know if anyone from PanAm frequents this forum anymore. I believe they found it a rather hostile environment....

Budroe · April 5th, 2005, 18:03

It wasnt mentioned at the seminar, but would you expect them to? I am still waiting for their updated website to reflect the new "Module Programs" that the seminar highlighted. Maybe they have to close Fla in order to implement it, but I don't see what one would have to do with the other.

kellwolf · April 5th, 2005, 19:14

I guess it would depend on the amount of hurricane damage they suffered. If it was more than they would make re-opening, it would be a better decision to close FL and concentrate on AZ.

April 5th, 2005, 19:23

I checked the company website and Ft pierce is no longer mentioned. I know that that hurricane last year really hurt the campus. thats too bad if it closes

MikeD · April 5th, 2005, 19:28

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I checked the company website and Ft pierce is no longer mentioned. I know that that hurricane last year really hurt the campus. thats too bad if it closes

[/ QUOTE ]

I imagine that if this was true, we might have heard news from Turk or other Pan Am personnel stationed at Ft Pierce. No?

pilot4hire · April 5th, 2005, 21:31

Hey Y'all,

Current PanAm stud here, and yes, the rumor is true. It was announced at a student meeting yesterday (4-4-05) at 4pm. The reason given is that the hurricane forecast for this year is even worse than last year, so they're going to consolidate everything to Phoenix. There's probably more to it, but they're sticking to that reason. Over the next few weeks, they plan to meet with each student individually. Lots of stressed people at PanAm right now, studs and instructors.

flyallday · April 5th, 2005, 23:25

I guess Enrollment will be up at Ariben and FSA this summer

DE727UPS · April 6th, 2005, 03:06

"The reason given is that the hurricane forecast for this year is even worse than last year"

Really. Hurricane forcast. I didn't know Hurricane forcasts were so accurate. Maybe they should just close down the whole state to be on the safe side.

I just flew the whole length of Arizona today at FL400. It's a really pretty place from about 6000 MSL and up. Also stayed at a hotel in Ahwatchee and found out the Cactus Jacks stays open until 2am. Can't wait tell my next layover down there in May.

DE727UPS · April 6th, 2005, 03:45

"Maybe they should just close down the whole state to be on the safe side."

Oh wait....

I checked the PanAm site and their locations at Vero Beach, Orlando, and Miami won't be impacted by the hurricane forcast. Thank gawd it's just Ft. Pierce and not the rest of Florida.

So I checked the PanAm sites "news archive and industry spotlights". Guess the base closing isn't newsworthy yet since it's not mentioned, though it's true that Ft. Pierce no longer is an option for the career pilot development program.

At the FAQ's link is says "coming soon".

LC? Flying Turkey? The silence is deafening....

MikeD · April 6th, 2005, 10:25

What's then going to happen to the IP numbers? Are we looking at layoffs? How many will be willing to relocate from FL to AZ?

MikeD · April 6th, 2005, 10:30

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"I just flew the whole length of Arizona today at FL400. It's a really pretty place from about 6000 MSL and up. Also stayed at a hotel in Ahwatchee and found out the Cactus Jacks stays open until 2am. Can't wait tell my next layover down there in May.

[/ QUOTE ]

And you didn't bother to call Doug or me. OK, I see how you are!

Kristie · April 6th, 2005, 13:33

[ QUOTE ]
What's then going to happen to the IP numbers? Are we looking at layoffs? How many will be willing to relocate from FL to AZ?

[/ QUOTE ]better yet, will they lose their $$ if they don't transfer to another campus?

DE727UPS · April 6th, 2005, 13:49

I was supposed to go climb some mountain with my Mesa buddy, he said it would only take a couple of hours. He bailed on me the night before because of some little thing...he had to go to his UPS pre-employment physical.

SmitteyB · April 6th, 2005, 16:03

That means less traffic at FPR!

No more waiting in line number 15 for the runway!

(And yes, the AriBen guys are smiling)

traffic · April 6th, 2005, 22:41

from a former senior management person at FPR - i can assure you that closing this campus has long been in the plans. any assurances by senior mgmt otherwise are BS just to calm the masses. they've been taking money from students for over a year, knowing that they would shut the campus.

DE727UPS · April 6th, 2005, 23:57

"...closing this campus has long been in the plans. any assurances by senior mgmt otherwise are BS just to calm the masses. they've been taking money from students for over a year, knowing that they would shut the campus."

Well. If PanAm claims to want to train airline pilots the way airlines operate (my quote, not their's), then, they are certainly measuring up to the finest of airline management tactics.

April 7th, 2005, 11:54

are there any issues aside from the hurrican fiasco involved in the decision to shut down FPR?

Kristie · April 7th, 2005, 13:53

[ QUOTE ]
from a former senior management person at FPR - i can assure you that closing this campus has long been in the plans. any assurances by senior mgmt otherwise are BS just to calm the masses. they've been taking money from students for over a year, knowing that they would shut the campus.

[/ QUOTE ]and how is it that you obtained this "quote" and the other "quote" over in the tarver report thread??

please feel free to introduce yourself and how you relate to PanAm!

Visceral · April 7th, 2005, 15:58

[ QUOTE ]

Current PanAm stud here, and yes, the rumor is true. It was announced at a student meeting yesterday (4-4-05) at 4pm. The reason given is that the hurricane forecast for this year is even worse than last year, so they're going to consolidate everything to Phoenix. There's probably more to it, but they're sticking to that reason. Over the next few weeks, they plan to meet with each student individually. Lots of stressed people at PanAm right now, studs and instructors.

[/ QUOTE ]

Tell those stressed students to head up US1 and hang a left at KVRB. There are no plans to shut down ops at FlightSafety for "forecast" hurricanes. Actually, they will soon start to demolish the hangar and start building newer facilities. There are plenty of instructors...too many actually, but you won't have to worry about not having one as a student. Also, the airplanes are the same newly built Seminoles Pan Am students are used to flying. If you haven't already, give marketing a call, and they can set you up on the tour. Doug has a nice linky at the top, but I'll make it easy: 1-800-800-1411

And yeah, I am an alumnus FlightSafety CFI

.

SmitteyB · April 7th, 2005, 16:02

Don't even have to go out on US-1, just take Saint Lucie Boulevard out of the airport and turn into Ari-Ben...same training about 75% less what you would spend at Pan Am...and about 1/3 of what you would pay at Flight Safety. Everyone forgets Ari-Ben is on the field with PanAm.

TheFlyingTurkey · April 7th, 2005, 16:24

[ QUOTE ]
Everyone forgets Ari-Ben is on the field with PanAm.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't when their planes break down in front of me at the hold short line!!

SmitteyB · April 7th, 2005, 16:30

I guess that will happen when you save 70 grand.

MikeD · April 7th, 2005, 17:09

So what's going to happen to the IPs? Move or stay to AZ?

Anyone?

pilot4hire · April 7th, 2005, 18:42

[ QUOTE ]
So what's going to happen to the IPs? Move or stay to AZ?

Anyone?

[/ QUOTE ]

I think about 2/3 of the instructors plan on moving to Phoenix. As for me, I'm leaning toward FSI, possibly Aviator to finish my training. Any advice on which school? Any thoughts on Direct Track vs. Flight instructor at FSI?

April 5th, 2005, 15:58	#1
flyallday Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: USA baby!!! Posts: 226	shuting down in FL??? I heard they are going to shut down there FL campus? Any truth to that?

April 5th, 2005, 17:07	#2
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,578	Re: shuting down in FL??? I don't know if anyone from PanAm frequents this forum anymore. I believe they found it a rather hostile environment....

April 5th, 2005, 18:03	#3
Budroe Newbie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Jackson, TN Posts: 13	Re: shuting down in FL??? It wasnt mentioned at the seminar, but would you expect them to? I am still waiting for their updated website to reflect the new "Module Programs" that the seminar highlighted. Maybe they have to close Fla in order to implement it, but I don't see what one would have to do with the other.

April 5th, 2005, 19:14	#4
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,230	Re: shuting down in FL??? I guess it would depend on the amount of hurricane damage they suffered. If it was more than they would make re-opening, it would be a better decision to close FL and concentrate on AZ.

April 5th, 2005, 19:23	#5
Lurker Posts: n/a	Re: shuting down in FL??? I checked the company website and Ft pierce is no longer mentioned. I know that that hurricane last year really hurt the campus. thats too bad if it closes

April 5th, 2005, 19:28	#6
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: shuting down in FL??? [ QUOTE ] I checked the company website and Ft pierce is no longer mentioned. I know that that hurricane last year really hurt the campus. thats too bad if it closes [/ QUOTE ] I imagine that if this was true, we might have heard news from Turk or other Pan Am personnel stationed at Ft Pierce. No?

April 5th, 2005, 21:31	#7
pilot4hire Newbie Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3	Re: shuting down in FL??? Hey Y'all, Current PanAm stud here, and yes, the rumor is true. It was announced at a student meeting yesterday (4-4-05) at 4pm. The reason given is that the hurricane forecast for this year is even worse than last year, so they're going to consolidate everything to Phoenix. There's probably more to it, but they're sticking to that reason. Over the next few weeks, they plan to meet with each student individually. Lots of stressed people at PanAm right now, studs and instructors.

April 5th, 2005, 23:25	#8
flyallday Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: USA baby!!! Posts: 226	Re: shuting down in FL??? I guess Enrollment will be up at Ariben and FSA this summer

April 6th, 2005, 03:06	#9
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,578	Re: shuting down in FL??? "The reason given is that the hurricane forecast for this year is even worse than last year" Really. Hurricane forcast. I didn't know Hurricane forcasts were so accurate. Maybe they should just close down the whole state to be on the safe side. I just flew the whole length of Arizona today at FL400. It's a really pretty place from about 6000 MSL and up. Also stayed at a hotel in Ahwatchee and found out the Cactus Jacks stays open until 2am. Can't wait tell my next layover down there in May.

April 6th, 2005, 03:45	#10
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,578	Re: shuting down in FL??? "Maybe they should just close down the whole state to be on the safe side." Oh wait.... I checked the PanAm site and their locations at Vero Beach, Orlando, and Miami won't be impacted by the hurricane forcast. Thank gawd it's just Ft. Pierce and not the rest of Florida. So I checked the PanAm sites "news archive and industry spotlights". Guess the base closing isn't newsworthy yet since it's not mentioned, though it's true that Ft. Pierce no longer is an option for the career pilot development program. At the FAQ's link is says "coming soon". LC? Flying Turkey? The silence is deafening....

April 6th, 2005, 10:25	#11
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: shuting down in FL??? What's then going to happen to the IP numbers? Are we looking at layoffs? How many will be willing to relocate from FL to AZ?

April 6th, 2005, 10:30	#12
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: shuting down in FL??? [ QUOTE ] "I just flew the whole length of Arizona today at FL400. It's a really pretty place from about 6000 MSL and up. Also stayed at a hotel in Ahwatchee and found out the Cactus Jacks stays open until 2am. Can't wait tell my next layover down there in May. [/ QUOTE ] And you didn't bother to call Doug or me. OK, I see how you are!

April 6th, 2005, 13:33	#13
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 19,294 Blog Entries: 3	Re: shuting down in FL??? [ QUOTE ] What's then going to happen to the IP numbers? Are we looking at layoffs? How many will be willing to relocate from FL to AZ? [/ QUOTE ]better yet, will they lose their $$ if they don't transfer to another campus?

April 6th, 2005, 13:49	#14
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,578	Re: shuting down in FL??? I was supposed to go climb some mountain with my Mesa buddy, he said it would only take a couple of hours. He bailed on me the night before because of some little thing...he had to go to his UPS pre-employment physical.

April 6th, 2005, 16:03	#15
SmitteyB Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 1,974	Re: shuting down in FL??? That means less traffic at FPR! No more waiting in line number 15 for the runway! (And yes, the AriBen guys are smiling)

April 6th, 2005, 22:41	#16
traffic Newbie Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3	Re: shuting down in FL??? from a former senior management person at FPR - i can assure you that closing this campus has long been in the plans. any assurances by senior mgmt otherwise are BS just to calm the masses. they've been taking money from students for over a year, knowing that they would shut the campus.

April 6th, 2005, 23:57	#17
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,578	Re: shuting down in FL??? "...closing this campus has long been in the plans. any assurances by senior mgmt otherwise are BS just to calm the masses. they've been taking money from students for over a year, knowing that they would shut the campus." Well. If PanAm claims to want to train airline pilots the way airlines operate (my quote, not their's), then, they are certainly measuring up to the finest of airline management tactics.

April 7th, 2005, 11:54	#18
Lurker Posts: n/a	Re: shuting down in FL??? are there any issues aside from the hurrican fiasco involved in the decision to shut down FPR?

April 7th, 2005, 13:53	#19
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 19,294 Blog Entries: 3	Re: shuting down in FL??? [ QUOTE ] from a former senior management person at FPR - i can assure you that closing this campus has long been in the plans. any assurances by senior mgmt otherwise are BS just to calm the masses. they've been taking money from students for over a year, knowing that they would shut the campus. [/ QUOTE ]and how is it that you obtained this "quote" and the other "quote" over in the tarver report thread?? please feel free to introduce yourself and how you relate to PanAm!

April 7th, 2005, 15:58	#20
Visceral Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 293	Re: shuting down in FL??? [ QUOTE ] Current PanAm stud here, and yes, the rumor is true. It was announced at a student meeting yesterday (4-4-05) at 4pm. The reason given is that the hurricane forecast for this year is even worse than last year, so they're going to consolidate everything to Phoenix. There's probably more to it, but they're sticking to that reason. Over the next few weeks, they plan to meet with each student individually. Lots of stressed people at PanAm right now, studs and instructors. [/ QUOTE ] Tell those stressed students to head up US1 and hang a left at KVRB. There are no plans to shut down ops at FlightSafety for "forecast" hurricanes. Actually, they will soon start to demolish the hangar and start building newer facilities. There are plenty of instructors...too many actually, but you won't have to worry about not having one as a student. Also, the airplanes are the same newly built Seminoles Pan Am students are used to flying. If you haven't already, give marketing a call, and they can set you up on the tour. Doug has a nice linky at the top, but I'll make it easy: 1-800-800-1411 And yeah, I am an alumnus FlightSafety CFI .

April 7th, 2005, 16:02	#21
SmitteyB Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 1,974	Re: shuting down in FL??? Don't even have to go out on US-1, just take Saint Lucie Boulevard out of the airport and turn into Ari-Ben...same training about 75% less what you would spend at Pan Am...and about 1/3 of what you would pay at Flight Safety. Everyone forgets Ari-Ben is on the field with PanAm.

April 7th, 2005, 16:24	#22
TheFlyingTurkey Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 2,987	Re: shuting down in FL??? [ QUOTE ] Everyone forgets Ari-Ben is on the field with PanAm. [/ QUOTE ] I don't when their planes break down in front of me at the hold short line!!

April 7th, 2005, 16:30	#23
SmitteyB Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 1,974	Re: shuting down in FL??? I guess that will happen when you save 70 grand.

April 7th, 2005, 17:09	#24
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: shuting down in FL??? So what's going to happen to the IPs? Move or stay to AZ? Anyone?

April 7th, 2005, 18:42	#25
pilot4hire Newbie Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3	Re: shuting down in FL??? [ QUOTE ] So what's going to happen to the IPs? Move or stay to AZ? Anyone? [/ QUOTE ] I think about 2/3 of the instructors plan on moving to Phoenix. As for me, I'm leaning toward FSI, possibly Aviator to finish my training. Any advice on which school? Any thoughts on Direct Track vs. Flight instructor at FSI?

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