What do you think

scoobs · February 5th, 2005, 13:23

Here is a copy of estimated prices from Private threw MEI.Are these good prices or fair.Thanks

FLIGHT PROGRESSION AND ESTIMATED COSTS

PRIVATE PILOT LESSONS

**40 Hours Total Flight time (C152) $2.798.00
**20 hours flight instruction $680.00
**20 hours ground instruction $680.00
FAA written knowledge test $80.00
FAA flight test $350.00
**Head set $159.00
Private pilot kit $298.99
Private ground school DVD $109.95
Flight medical $40.00
Total Estimated Cost $5,195.94

Flight experience necessary for Instrument Rating
**50 hours cross-country flight time (C-152) $3,497.50

INSTRUMENT PILOT LESSONS

**40 hours flight time (C-172R) $4,398.00
*40 hour flight instruction $1,360.00
IFR/Commercial kit $246.95
Instrument Ground School DVD $109.95
FAA written knowledge test $80.00
FAA flight test $350.00
Total Estimated Cost $6,544.90

Flight experience necessary for Commercial Certificate
**120 hours flight time (C-152) $8,394.00

COMMERCIAL PILOT LESSONS

*10 hours flight instruction (complex) $1,199.50
*10 hours flight instruction $340.00
FAA written knowledge test $80.00
FAA flight test $350.00
Total Estimated Cost $1,969.50

CERTIFIED FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR PILOT LESSONS

*10 hours flight instruction (complex) $1,199.50
*10 hours flight instruction $340.00
**10 hours ground instruction $340.00
Required Textbooks $40.00
2 FAA written knowledge tests $160.00
FAA flight test $350.00
Total Estimated Cost $2,429.50

CERTIFIED INSTRUMENT INSTRUCTOR PILOT LESSONS

*10 hours flight instruction (complex) $1,199.50
*10 hours flight instruction $340.00
FAA written knowledge test $80.00
FAA flight test $350.00
Total Estimated Cost $1,969.50

MULTI ENGINE INSTRUCTOR PILOT LESSONS

*10 hours flight instruction (Multi) $1,645.00
*10 hours flight instruction $340.00
FAA flight test $350.00
Total Estimated Cost $2,335.00

MULTI ENGINE PILOT LESSONS

Package rates for Multi Engine Instruction (up to 12 hours) $2,750.00

kellwolf · February 5th, 2005, 16:42

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**40 Hours Total Flight time (C152) $2.798.00

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Add some to that. I've never met someone that actually finished their private at minumums. I'm sure they exist, they're just not the norm.

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Flight medical $40.00

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Where is THIS guy, and does he have any openings?

Seriously, I got my 1st class for $65, and that's a good deal.

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Private pilot kit $298.99
Private ground school DVD $109.95

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Unless the school requires it, try to avoid buying a "kit." You can find pretty much the same stuff on e-bay for a lot less.

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INSTRUMENT PILOT LESSONS

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Those hour figures are probably pretty close. You can shave some $$ off by finding a buddy, though. You need 40 hours of "hood time," and that doesn't HAVE to be with an instructor. Throw in some x/c time with your buddy, and you kill two birds with one stone.

Everything else looks like it's based on minimum flight times. The CFI stuff really doesn't have a minimum, but 10 hours is about average. Although, I think I'd go NUTS flying a 152 for 120 hours......

Swen · February 5th, 2005, 16:58

Heres the private mins from the FBO I got my PPL at for comparison:

Aircraft Rental(C172) and Instructor - 40 hrs (minimum) @ $93.00/hr
$3720.00
Cessna's "Cleared for Takeoff" Computer Based Instruction kit
$295.00
Medical Exam
$75.00
FAA Written Exam
$80.00
FAA Flight Test
$175.00
Ground instruction - 5 hours @ $27.00 per hour
$135.00
Total (with minimum hours)
$4480.00

Like Kell said these are the mins, so plan on adding on some extra time.

kellwolf · February 5th, 2005, 17:08

Wow, WI DEs have cheap exam fees..... It's around $300 in ORL and b/w $350-400 around MEM.

Swen · February 5th, 2005, 20:09

Back in August my practical was $200, so that figure on there is a little old.
And if I can recall the practical for my multi was $250, so we're catching up on the times up here...

And if anyone wants to fly a 150 I can get a lease rate for $25/Hr but its not legal for IFR, bummer.

scoobs · February 5th, 2005, 20:10

Thanks guys this it the cheapest that I have found here in SLC.

montanapilot · February 6th, 2005, 00:34

if your in the SLC area you might wanna check these guys out G & B Aircraft 801-397-2324. I fly at their Satelite location here in Portland.

Looking at their rate sheet:

172 - 80 bucks/hour
152 - 60 bucks/hour
Arrow - 95 bucks/hour.

plus various other high performance aircraft.

scoobs · February 6th, 2005, 00:47

Do they have a website?

montanapilot · February 6th, 2005, 12:32

not that i know of. But their number is 801-397-2324. They are located at Bountiful (BTF).

scoobs · February 7th, 2005, 23:05

Thanks

mavsfflife · February 8th, 2005, 23:15

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**40 Hours Total Flight time (C152) $2.798.00

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Add some to that. I've never met someone that actually finished their private at minumums. I'm sure they exist, they're just not the norm.

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Going into my checkride I had 40.1 hours. I think it usually takes somewhere in the 50 to 60 hour range though. I had alot of time to study only taking 4 classes in high school but i guess its just different for some. I thought 40 hours was pretty much the norm until i read some stuff.

Also, that 152 sounds a little high on the rate, should be more around $60 or so. Good luck with your ratings!

kellwolf · February 8th, 2005, 23:20

152 rate here in MEM is $85/hr. But that's obscene. You don't want to know what they charge for a 172S.

mavsfflife · February 8th, 2005, 23:30

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152 rate here in MEM is $85/hr. But that's obscene. You don't want to know what they charge for a 172S.

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WOW! That's way up there, I'm paying $62/tach hour in a flying club I'm in. The 172's are $84 for the normal one and $88 for the 180 superhawk. $85/hr for a 152, thats unbelievable, is that because of the price of avgas or is that just the going rate up there.

kellwolf · February 8th, 2005, 23:35

That's b/c the school is pretty much the only game in town, so they can charge whatever they want. The Seneca is $195/hr and (you'll LOVE this) the 172S is $133/hr.

mavsfflife · February 9th, 2005, 00:11

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That's b/c the school is pretty much the only game in town, so they can charge whatever they want. The Seneca is $195/hr and (you'll LOVE this) the 172S is $133/hr.

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Sounds like the flight school monopoly of memphis, simply amazed at those rates.

montanapilot · February 9th, 2005, 00:47

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$133/hr

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OMG i can fly the seminole for less than that!

scoobs · April 8th, 2005, 17:04

Here is are the rates from G&B.It does seem cheaper.Flight Instruction is more but the aircraft rate is better.So what do you think about these rates.

Instruction is 36 per hour
ground school is 300$ or 25$ per each class 3 hour session
Piper Cherokee $65
Piper Archer $95
Cessna older model of 172 $74-80
Cessna newer model of 172 $153
Cessna 152 $60

kellwolf · April 8th, 2005, 22:54

Dude, $153 for a 172 is insane. You can get a twin for that in some areas. A fancy GPS and leather interior should not give FBOs free reign to rip people off like that. $36/hr for instruction is about standard in a lot of places. I think that's the going rate for flight schools in Orlando right now. As far as "ground school," in a Part 61 environment, I've never seen a use for a formalized ground school. You can learn as much from one-on-one ground lessons with your instructor and a book than you can in a formal ground school.

dakovich · April 9th, 2005, 17:00

there's a local school up here in western new yourk that charges $170.00 for dual instruction in a "new" 172.(its a pretty beat up "new" 172)

them-
plane cost: $120.00
CFI cost: $50/hour
CFI pay: $14/hour

us-
2001 Warrior III (dual garmin 430): $107.00/hr
CFI cost: $35/hour
CFI pay: $23-26/hour

IMHO that other school is just wrong for how they operate

not such a bad thing for us though, a bunch of their students left them after the price increase and came up to us. i guess the school hooked itself up with UTAH VALLEY online college and decided to raise the rates like crazy. these UTAH VALLEY kids get those $80,000 Key loans and don't realize they have to pay it back at some point, and this school takes advantage of that.

NEFlyer · April 9th, 2005, 20:39

I don't know about your area but you better be a skinny kid to do a checkride in a 152. DPEs around here don't come in the small size and they make you do a weight and balance. ;-)

scoobs · April 9th, 2005, 21:34

I would only use the $79 dollar C-172.Yes I'm a skinny 19 year old. 5'10 125 pounds and yes I eat a lot.Is $79 an hour a good price for a 172.If anybody knows any good flight schools in SLC tell me.

Derek_S · April 9th, 2005, 21:39

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Is $79 an hour a good price for a 172?

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Seeing how my school charges $83/hr. for our older models (1980's), yes it sounds good to me. Depends on how old the aircraft is and what kind of equipment it has.

Windchill · April 9th, 2005, 23:32

AeroSmith KMRB Martinsburg, WV

1978 Cessna 172N -- $70/hr wet
1982 Cessna 172P -- $70/hr wet
Instructor -- $30/hr

$100 dual.

This is where I got my private.

Valley Aviation KOKV Winchester, VA Valley Aviation

Two Cessna 152s -- $55/hr wet
Cessna 172 N w/ Garmin 430 GPS -- $75/hr wet
Piper Cherokee 140 -- $75/hr wet
Cessna 172RG -- $95/hr wet
Aeronca Champ -- $60/hr wet
Instructors -- $30/hr $35/hr Champ

$105 dual roughly

Come on down, the staff is awesome! Online scheduling is sweet. I came here to get some low-wing time, also checked out in their 172/152s.

Aircraft are well maintained. Even though I'm only 23 (supposed to be a part of the technology-driven generation), I love flying older planes w/o GPS, esp. when they're cheaper. Getting to fly the 172 w/ the Garmin 430 for only $75/hr is great.

kellwolf · April 10th, 2005, 00:50

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I don't know about your area but you better be a skinny kid to do a checkride in a 152.

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No kidding. I have one hour in a 152, and that was my discovery flight at DCA (then Comair Academy). I didn't learn until about six months later that we were more than likely overgrossed when we took off.....

GrantHubbell · April 10th, 2005, 10:01

Geez, look where I train. Airsports They used to have 172s for around $75, but since the new ownership, they have raised the prices significantly. A kid in my homeroom, his dad actualy is the new owner of Airsports, so do you think I should see if I can get maybe discount instruction??? What do you guys think?

February 5th, 2005, 13:23	#1
scoobs Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 678	What do you think Here is a copy of estimated prices from Private threw MEI.Are these good prices or fair.Thanks FLIGHT PROGRESSION AND ESTIMATED COSTS PRIVATE PILOT LESSONS 40 Hours Total Flight time (C152) $2.798.00 20 hours flight instruction $680.00 20 hours ground instruction $680.00 FAA written knowledge test $80.00 FAA flight test $350.00 Head set $159.00 Private pilot kit $298.99 Private ground school DVD $109.95 Flight medical $40.00 Total Estimated Cost $5,195.94 Flight experience necessary for Instrument Rating 50 hours cross-country flight time (C-152) $3,497.50 INSTRUMENT PILOT LESSONS 40 hours flight time (C-172R) $4,398.00 40 hour flight instruction $1,360.00 IFR/Commercial kit $246.95 Instrument Ground School DVD $109.95 FAA written knowledge test $80.00 FAA flight test $350.00 Total Estimated Cost $6,544.90 Flight experience necessary for Commercial Certificate 120 hours flight time (C-152) $8,394.00 COMMERCIAL PILOT LESSONS 10 hours flight instruction (complex) $1,199.50 10 hours flight instruction $340.00 FAA written knowledge test $80.00 FAA flight test $350.00 Total Estimated Cost $1,969.50 CERTIFIED FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR PILOT LESSONS 10 hours flight instruction (complex) $1,199.50 10 hours flight instruction $340.00 10 hours ground instruction $340.00 Required Textbooks $40.00 2 FAA written knowledge tests $160.00 FAA flight test $350.00 Total Estimated Cost $2,429.50 CERTIFIED INSTRUMENT INSTRUCTOR PILOT LESSONS 10 hours flight instruction (complex) $1,199.50 10 hours flight instruction $340.00 FAA written knowledge test $80.00 FAA flight test $350.00 Total Estimated Cost $1,969.50 MULTI ENGINE INSTRUCTOR PILOT LESSONS 10 hours flight instruction (Multi) $1,645.00 *10 hours flight instruction $340.00 FAA flight test $350.00 Total Estimated Cost $2,335.00 MULTI ENGINE PILOT LESSONS Package rates for Multi Engine Instruction (up to 12 hours) $2,750.00

February 5th, 2005, 16:42	#2
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,667	Re: What do you think [ QUOTE ] **40 Hours Total Flight time (C152) $2.798.00 [/ QUOTE ] Add some to that. I've never met someone that actually finished their private at minumums. I'm sure they exist, they're just not the norm. [ QUOTE ] Flight medical $40.00 [/ QUOTE ] Where is THIS guy, and does he have any openings? Seriously, I got my 1st class for $65, and that's a good deal. [ QUOTE ] Private pilot kit $298.99 Private ground school DVD $109.95 [/ QUOTE ] Unless the school requires it, try to avoid buying a "kit." You can find pretty much the same stuff on e-bay for a lot less. [ QUOTE ] INSTRUMENT PILOT LESSONS [/ QUOTE ] Those hour figures are probably pretty close. You can shave some $$ off by finding a buddy, though. You need 40 hours of "hood time," and that doesn't HAVE to be with an instructor. Throw in some x/c time with your buddy, and you kill two birds with one stone. Everything else looks like it's based on minimum flight times. The CFI stuff really doesn't have a minimum, but 10 hours is about average. Although, I think I'd go NUTS flying a 152 for 120 hours......

February 5th, 2005, 16:58	#3
Swen Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,596	Re: What do you think Heres the private mins from the FBO I got my PPL at for comparison: Aircraft Rental(C172) and Instructor - 40 hrs (minimum) @ $93.00/hr $3720.00 Cessna's "Cleared for Takeoff" Computer Based Instruction kit $295.00 Medical Exam $75.00 FAA Written Exam $80.00 FAA Flight Test $175.00 Ground instruction - 5 hours @ $27.00 per hour $135.00 Total (with minimum hours) $4480.00 Like Kell said these are the mins, so plan on adding on some extra time.

February 5th, 2005, 17:08	#4
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,667	Re: What do you think Wow, WI DEs have cheap exam fees..... It's around $300 in ORL and b/w $350-400 around MEM.

February 5th, 2005, 20:09	#5
Swen Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,596	Re: What do you think Back in August my practical was $200, so that figure on there is a little old. And if I can recall the practical for my multi was $250, so we're catching up on the times up here... And if anyone wants to fly a 150 I can get a lease rate for $25/Hr but its not legal for IFR, bummer.

February 5th, 2005, 20:10	#6
scoobs Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 678	Re: What do you think Thanks guys this it the cheapest that I have found here in SLC.

February 6th, 2005, 00:34	#7
montanapilot Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portland, Orygun Posts: 1,640	Re: What do you think if your in the SLC area you might wanna check these guys out G & B Aircraft 801-397-2324. I fly at their Satelite location here in Portland. Looking at their rate sheet: 172 - 80 bucks/hour 152 - 60 bucks/hour Arrow - 95 bucks/hour. plus various other high performance aircraft.

February 6th, 2005, 00:47	#8
scoobs Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 678	Re: What do you think Do they have a website?

February 6th, 2005, 12:32	#9
montanapilot Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portland, Orygun Posts: 1,640	Re: What do you think not that i know of. But their number is 801-397-2324. They are located at Bountiful (BTF).

February 7th, 2005, 23:05	#10
scoobs Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 678	Re: What do you think Thanks

February 8th, 2005, 23:15	#11
mavsfflife Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Waco, TX Posts: 283	Re: What do you think [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 40 Hours Total Flight time (C152) $2.798.00 [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Add some to that. I've never met someone that actually finished their private at minumums. I'm sure they exist, they're just not the norm. [/ QUOTE ] Going into my checkride I had 40.1 hours. I think it usually takes somewhere in the 50 to 60 hour range though. I had alot** of time to study only taking 4 classes in high school but i guess its just different for some. I thought 40 hours was pretty much the norm until i read some stuff. Also, that 152 sounds a little high on the rate, should be more around $60 or so. Good luck with your ratings!

February 8th, 2005, 23:20	#12
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,667	Re: What do you think 152 rate here in MEM is $85/hr. But that's obscene. You don't want to know what they charge for a 172S.

February 8th, 2005, 23:30	#13
mavsfflife Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Waco, TX Posts: 283	Re: What do you think [ QUOTE ] 152 rate here in MEM is $85/hr. But that's obscene. You don't want to know what they charge for a 172S. [/ QUOTE ] WOW! That's way up there, I'm paying $62/tach hour in a flying club I'm in. The 172's are $84 for the normal one and $88 for the 180 superhawk. $85/hr for a 152, thats unbelievable, is that because of the price of avgas or is that just the going rate up there.

February 8th, 2005, 23:35	#14
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,667	Re: What do you think That's b/c the school is pretty much the only game in town, so they can charge whatever they want. The Seneca is $195/hr and (you'll LOVE this) the 172S is $133/hr.

February 9th, 2005, 00:11	#15
mavsfflife Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Waco, TX Posts: 283	Re: What do you think [ QUOTE ] That's b/c the school is pretty much the only game in town, so they can charge whatever they want. The Seneca is $195/hr and (you'll LOVE this) the 172S is $133/hr. [/ QUOTE ] Sounds like the flight school monopoly of memphis, simply amazed at those rates.

February 9th, 2005, 00:47	#16
montanapilot Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portland, Orygun Posts: 1,640	Re: What do you think [ QUOTE ] $133/hr [/ QUOTE ] OMG i can fly the seminole for less than that!

April 8th, 2005, 17:04	#17
scoobs Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 678	Re: What do you think Here is are the rates from G&B.It does seem cheaper.Flight Instruction is more but the aircraft rate is better.So what do you think about these rates. Instruction is 36 per hour ground school is 300$ or 25$ per each class 3 hour session Piper Cherokee $65 Piper Archer $95 Cessna older model of 172 $74-80 Cessna newer model of 172 $153 Cessna 152 $60

April 8th, 2005, 22:54	#18
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,667	Re: What do you think Dude, $153 for a 172 is insane. You can get a twin for that in some areas. A fancy GPS and leather interior should not give FBOs free reign to rip people off like that. $36/hr for instruction is about standard in a lot of places. I think that's the going rate for flight schools in Orlando right now. As far as "ground school," in a Part 61 environment, I've never seen a use for a formalized ground school. You can learn as much from one-on-one ground lessons with your instructor and a book than you can in a formal ground school.

April 9th, 2005, 17:00	#19
dakovich Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,021	Re: What do you think there's a local school up here in western new yourk that charges $170.00 for dual instruction in a "new" 172.(its a pretty beat up "new" 172) them- plane cost: $120.00 CFI cost: $50/hour CFI pay: $14/hour us- 2001 Warrior III (dual garmin 430): $107.00/hr CFI cost: $35/hour CFI pay: $23-26/hour IMHO that other school is just wrong for how they operate not such a bad thing for us though, a bunch of their students left them after the price increase and came up to us. i guess the school hooked itself up with UTAH VALLEY online college and decided to raise the rates like crazy. these UTAH VALLEY kids get those $80,000 Key loans and don't realize they have to pay it back at some point, and this school takes advantage of that.

April 9th, 2005, 20:39	#20
NEFlyer Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NC Posts: 33	Re: What do you think I don't know about your area but you better be a skinny kid to do a checkride in a 152. DPEs around here don't come in the small size and they make you do a weight and balance. ;-)

April 9th, 2005, 21:34	#21
scoobs Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 678	Re: What do you think I would only use the $79 dollar C-172.Yes I'm a skinny 19 year old. 5'10 125 pounds and yes I eat a lot.Is $79 an hour a good price for a 172.If anybody knows any good flight schools in SLC tell me.

April 9th, 2005, 21:39	#22
Derek_S Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pleasanton, CA Posts: 398	Re: What do you think [ QUOTE ] Is $79 an hour a good price for a 172? [/ QUOTE ] Seeing how my school charges $83/hr. for our older models (1980's), yes it sounds good to me. Depends on how old the aircraft is and what kind of equipment it has.

April 9th, 2005, 23:32	#23
Windchill Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mid-Atlantic, KMRB Posts: 1,925	Re: What do you think AeroSmith KMRB Martinsburg, WV 1978 Cessna 172N -- $70/hr wet 1982 Cessna 172P -- $70/hr wet Instructor -- $30/hr $100 dual. This is where I got my private. Valley Aviation KOKV Winchester, VA Valley Aviation Two Cessna 152s -- $55/hr wet Cessna 172 N w/ Garmin 430 GPS -- $75/hr wet Piper Cherokee 140 -- $75/hr wet Cessna 172RG -- $95/hr wet Aeronca Champ -- $60/hr wet Instructors -- $30/hr $35/hr Champ $105 dual roughly Come on down, the staff is awesome! Online scheduling is sweet. I came here to get some low-wing time, also checked out in their 172/152s. Aircraft are well maintained. Even though I'm only 23 (supposed to be a part of the technology-driven generation), I love flying older planes w/o GPS, esp. when they're cheaper. Getting to fly the 172 w/ the Garmin 430 for only $75/hr is great.

April 10th, 2005, 00:50	#24
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,667	Re: What do you think [ QUOTE ] I don't know about your area but you better be a skinny kid to do a checkride in a 152. [/ QUOTE ] No kidding. I have one hour in a 152, and that was my discovery flight at DCA (then Comair Academy). I didn't learn until about six months later that we were more than likely overgrossed when we took off.....

April 10th, 2005, 10:01	#25
GrantHubbell Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hanger A-10 Posts: 833	Re: What do you think Geez, look where I train. Airsports They used to have 172s for around $75, but since the new ownership, they have raised the prices significantly. A kid in my homeroom, his dad actualy is the new owner of Airsports, so do you think I should see if I can get maybe discount instruction??? What do you guys think?

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