Mean kids, mean to your kid...

[amorris311]

ok buy a shot gun. when the kid comes around start rackin off shots with a bottle of some cheap bews in your hand. hopefully the parents and the neighbors will understand that you mean business.

[eagledriver101]

Originally Posted by Old Pete

First of all I would NEVER allow an 8 yr old to play with my 4 yr old. Second if anybody threatened my child with violence, I mean EVER, I don't care how old or young, I would put the Fear of God in them so fast it would make your head spin. There is only one person in this world that your child is counting on to protect him and that is YOU. Allowing this to continue one minute longer is child abuse.

Well after today she is pretty damn scared to come around, I have done every thing ethical and reasonable as possible. Nor more messing around, I already have a letter being sent to her from the ASG office, next step is getting the cops out here and filing a complaint against her parents.

[eagledriver101]

Originally Posted by amorris311

ok buy a shot gun. when the kid comes around start rackin off shots with a bottle of some cheap bews in your hand. hopefully the parents and the neighbors will understand that you mean business.

You know what!! First off all LOL ROTFLMAO

Second, you’re a freaking Jedi!!

[ready2fly]

Originally Posted by amorris311

ok buy a shot gun. when the kid comes around start rackin off shots with a bottle of some cheap bews in your hand. hopefully the parents and the neighbors will understand that you mean business.

I like the way you think Amorris....but you knew that.

[TheWife]

Originally Posted by eagledriver101

Its true cant be too careful, I guess it depends on where you live in some cases, as far as us, we’re surrounded by Mormons, and live in a gated community. And since its establishment in 2001, there has not been child who has gone missing. So I feel safe letting him out to play. And he knows his boundaries. Plus I can see the school yard he plays in from my front room. And, I have a GPS locater bolted to the back of his head…


(Whats up with the font zise??)

Dude, I live in Happy Valley, land of the Mormons and there is no way in hell my kids will ever be outside playing alone. There wasn't any previous history of problems when Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped in her safe neighborhood, from her bed, in her home, with her parents there. My son is 5, and I don't let him out of my sight. And yeah, the tiny font is making me feel old and like I need to get some glasses lol.

[ready2fly]

It's better than that big-assed font he's been vascilating to and fro!

[amorris311]

i think he is typing on a pda. those things can be tricky.

[Old Pete]

Originally Posted by eagledriver101

Well after today she is pretty damn scared to come around, I have done every thing ethical and reasonable as possible. Nor more messing around, I already have a letter being sent to her from the ASG office, next step is getting the cops out here and filing a complaint against her parents.

Excellent, good job.

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by amorris311

matt he is 4!

While I see your point. See mine also, if you don't start young then the child (any child) will/may grow up to be weak have a victim mentality, codependancy and a favorite for playground bullies.

Now, I'm not saying slap your kid everyday to make him mean so he hates everyone and is the ultimate playground fighting machine.

Just teach him or her not to value friends over self and to assert individuality, be able to think for ones self and when to say no, and when to fight back.

[amorris311]

gotcha! now see i got kicked out school for beating up a bully. nice guys finish last.

[eagledriver101]

Originally Posted by TheWife

Dude, I live in Happy Valley, land of the Mormons and there is no way in hell my kids will ever be outside playing alone. There wasn't any previous history of problems when Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped in her safe neighborhood, from her bed, in her home, with her parents there. My son is 5, and I don't let him out of my sight. And yeah, the tiny font is making me feel old and like I need to get some glasses lol.

OMG you live in Provo right?? I just realized you’re in Utah! LOL funny, I’m up in South Jordan, at about 118 South and Bangerter HWY

You should tell your husban that we should go flying sometime, it would be fun.

[eagledriver101]

Originally Posted by amorris311

i think he is typing on a pda. those things can be tricky.

Ya most of my typeing is on a PDA because I am at work..., but to me, the font looks like its size 2, but I give up...

[eagledriver101]

Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

While I see your point. See mine also, if you don't start young then the child (any child) will/may grow up to be weak have a victim mentality, codependancy and a favorite for playground bullies.

Now, I'm not saying slap your kid everyday to make him mean so he hates everyone and is the ultimate playground fighting machine.

Just teach him or her not to value friends over self and to assert individuality, be able to think for ones self and when to say no, and when to fight back.

I see what you're saying... he’s a big 4 yr old, and I have no doubt when pushed he would bam bam someone. But I have always been taught to do that as a last resort, and try diplomacy fist.

[amorris311]

like i said sometimes words just dont get the point across. actions speak louder then words. just make sure if you are going to hit someone you get that money shot the first time. im kidding. dont fight unless you are hit first.

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by eagledriver101

I see what you're saying... he’s a big 4 yr old, and I have no doubt when pushed he would bam bam someone. But I have always been taught to do that as a last resort, and try diplomacy fist.

Cool, because 4 is never too young. After all this pint size 8 yr. old bully had to learn somewhere from someone, most notably her parents through action of inaction. That survival of the fittist aka bullying was okay.

So the opposite, teaching kids not to be bully fodder is also a valuable learned trait that has no real age limitus either.

[JayAre]

Ok this is kinda wrong,
"Buy a bully" go find some 10 year old pay him to be mean to this kid and protect yours.

I see your from Utah If the bully parents are really strong LDS and the kid wants a soda send her home with a beer for her parents to open! That should keep them away. But get rid of the evidence from your house if they call the cops. And if the Bishop calls you in just say it was for your Johnsonville Brawts!

[I_Money]

Here is where I get confused - you have a four year old, that you do not want to lock in the back yard, and is having a problem with a neighborhood child. That makes me believe your 4 year old is unsupervised playing in the front yard - WHICH TO ME IS CRAZY!

I so do not understand this American culture of kids playing in the front yard, especially unsupervised - front yards are not for playing. Not so much the thought of kids be snatch, but just running into the road, or anything.

[TheWife]

Originally Posted by I_Money

Here is where I get confused - you have a four year old, that you do not want to lock in the back yard, and is having a problem with a neighborhood child. That makes me believe your 4 year old is unsupervised playing in the front yard - WHICH TO ME IS CRAZY!

I so do not understand this American culture of kids playing in the front yard, especially unsupervised - front yards are not for playing. Not so much the thought of kids be snatch, but just running into the road, or anything.

I'm trying to not criticize your parenting, but I'm still shocked by this. Especially the comment that you can see him from your front room while he plays on the school playground ACROSS THE STREET. You can't expect yourself to never be distracted, watching a kid from a front room, and if you are watching him THAT closely, so close that nothing could happen, then you aren't able to do anything else so you might as well go outside with him and keep him safe! It was only a few weeks ago that a kid and father got hit by a car and killed in SLC, and that was a kid WITH HIS FATHER. I just really can't believe it's safe to let a 4 year old in a front yard and in a school yard across the street. I don't even let my son go to the men's room to go to the bathroom in public, he is with me AT ALL TIMES.

[MQAAord]

When I was growing up, we had free reign of the town. We rode our bikes everywhere, I bounced on my hoppity horse up and down the sidewalk in front of our house for hours on end, later I roller skated on that same sidewalk. I walked to school (by myself) from Kindergarten on up. I really don't remember my parents being outside with us, my brother and I were usually out there alone or with the other neighborhood kids.

This was 30 years ago in a rural town of 2000 people in SW Wisconsin. I really think I grew up in a Norman Rockwell painting, nothing bad ever happened in my town. It was a picturesque, safe place. Even if I lived back there again, I really doubt I would be so lenient today. Not that the town has changed very much, but it's just a different age.

Where I live here, kids play in the front yards, side yards and backyards. It all depends on the moment. In the front we ride bikes, push toys, and inspect the flowers, in the backyard is the swingset, sandbox and "room to run". We live in what I would call a 'good area', however, thanks to the modern invention of the automobile, bad people can drive to good areas! So, while my kids are a bit younger (2 1/2 and 4), they are never allowed out of my sight and I am out there with them every second they're outside. Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I don't feel safe allowing young kids to run unsupervised.

[Bandit_Driver]

Originally Posted by MQAAord

Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I don't feel safe allowing young kids to run unsupervised.

Amber, Tanya and I feel the same way. I grew up in a Detroit suburb and had pretty much free reign of the local area too. Those times are sadly gone. A lot of people just don't want to get involved even if they see something. There was a show a while back where undercover cops did a mock kidnapping in a public place (the kid was in on it and acting). A guy came up and grabbed the kid. The kid is kicking and screaming help this isn't my dad. I think only 1 out of 10 people did anything to intervene and only one or two called the cops. Pretty !#$$% pathetic. I am going to be scared to death to let my kids out of my site until they're teenagers.

Originally Posted by MQAAord

I think you've done the right thing, and the only thing you can do for now. That 8 year old is in for a rough life if she thinks she can get away with treating people like that. Take heart that if she keeps this up, she'll get the crap beat out of her someday!

Heck, she'll probably be an airline CEO

[Bandit_Driver]

Originally Posted by eagledriver101

So, there is a little Girl that’s about 8 years old, she lives down the street from me, And sheeeee’s a SNOT!!

I feel your frustration. I used to umpire baseball from the Little Leagers all the way up to College ball back in the 90's. You would be amazed at some of the stuff I was called, it would make a sailor blush. I also saw an 8 year old kid run and jump and kick the catcher directly in the chest with both feet and gave me a 4 letter barrage when I tossed him out. The dad was no treat either. The majority of the problems was with the younger kids.

You are definately doing the right things. In this legal age I would also suggest setting up a video camera and getting this behavior on tape if it continues. You may also want to consider a restraining order if it gets too bad. Also, you may want to try and line up some witness in case it ever goes to court so it doesn't turn into just your word vs theirs.

Good Luck with the little

[moxiepilot]

Im kinda surprised about all the frenzy. It seems like a few of the solutions are to kick up dust which doesn't really do anything at all. A letter from the AG??? Sorry but ????

Cowboy up talk to the parents again and tell them that the 8 yr old is not allowed to come on to your property. Tell them if that they let the 8 yr old roam around w/o supervision, then YOU will have to be forced to remove the 8 yr old from your property. When means picking up a screaming 8 yr old and hucking her back on to her property.

Jeez, lawyers everybody???

Be a Dad and RAISE YOUR VOICE! Yell " I told you you are not allowed over here! You need to leave now." I'dve figured all parents would recognize the power of a firm voice and the effect it has on children. Guess not.

[MQAAord]

The trouble with that, is that in this day and age you'll be the one slapped with a charge of assult if you "pick up a screaming 8 year old and huck her back on to her property".

He already has talked to the parents, and it hasn't done any good. To avoid his own legal trouble, sadly he pretty much has to take the steps he has.

[Okie_Pilot]

Yes, it's sad, but if you do anything to a child, yell at, even touch as in pulling her back to her property, you can get into legal issues...

On a lighter, less mature note, what would happen if you got together with your son and one of his friends and soaked her with waterguns next time she stepped on your lawn? Super Soakers and water balloons!

Anybody?

[bunghole]

It appears that any 4yo conversing and or interacting with an 8yo is the 'real' issue here. Good or bad....this shouldnt be happening without adult supervision and to think otherwise is living life on the edge. As an adult you've set yourself up as a victim in defensive mode and one should be making the assertive move by either relocating the play area so that an adult can monitor more closely or you can chug a brewski in the lazy boy while your kid plays happily in the confines of a brick walled front yard.(sarcasm)

You can write letters....speak with other ugly mom and dad but it aint gonna change the world nor your little neighborhood.

The one thing you can change is the environment in which you as a parent dictate and can happily control.