not another pilot divorce - Page 3

Kristie · February 28th, 2005, 23:12

however, not to stay on the subject, but, on a personal level, forgiving is easy (you have no choice but to forgive - to err is human)... it's forgetting that makes or breaks the Christian in you.

Take it from your friendly neighborhood *every now and then* "davey and goliath" supporter

Doug Taylor · February 28th, 2005, 23:15

Geez, Wisconsin Lutherans... Can't live with 'em, can't have a guilt-free beer in the church basement without 'em!

Mr_Creepy · March 1st, 2005, 06:00

I don't see where God says to forget. Forgive, yes. Forget? Not necessarily.

On the other hand, people that keep dredging up the past can be really annoying!

TheShortOne · March 1st, 2005, 06:51

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and generally have some "holier than thou" attitude because of that.

Mr_Creepy · March 1st, 2005, 07:01

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and generally have some "holier than thou" attitude because of that.

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I don't know about "generally." It seems to me that it's a small, but very vocal and publicized minority.

I see judgement from all sides. "Tolerance" is a word that's touted by many I know, but I've yet to meet anyone who follows it 100%.

jtrain609 · March 1st, 2005, 10:06

I dunno John, you've accused me a lot of trashing Christians when I was raised Catholic, was baptized in the Catholic church, had my first communion and was confirmed in the Catholic church. I think that makes me a fairly decent authority on the subject; but you continue to dig holes you can't climb yourself out of and tell us that we can't argue with you because we're not part of the club? Sorry man, some of us have been part of the club and decided that it wasn't all it was cracked up to be.

Forgiven? Yes. But to sin so that your reward is bigger in the end? Nope, JC's not havin' any of that.

And JC wasn't an elitist as you, quite honestly, come off as. His followers were prostitues and other regular old sinners. Heck the righteous of the day were the ones that JC was there to get rid of. As far as I've ever seen of you, you don't exault Christ's love or compassion for people. All you seem is bitter and ready to cast the first stone ("yee without sin..."). Maybe I'm wrong; but that's well how you come off. Me? I know I come off as an a$$ but I don't quite care.

Mr_Creepy · March 1st, 2005, 10:46

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I dunno John, you've accused me a lot of trashing Christians when I was raised Catholic, was baptized in the Catholic church, had my first communion and was confirmed in the Catholic church. I think that makes me a fairly decent authority on the subject; but you continue to dig holes you can't climb yourself out of and tell us that we can't argue with you because we're not part of the club? Sorry man, some of us have been part of the club and decided that it wasn't all it was cracked up to be.

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You have trashed Christians though. What's this about holes? Is this because of the anti-authority/piercing deal over in another thread? I state my opinions just like anyone else here on the board. Thought that was my right! I guess MY opinions aren't allowed? You see, that's what I mean by the apparent twist on "Tolerance."

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Forgiven? Yes. But to sin so that your reward is bigger in the end? Nope, JC's not havin' any of that.

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I think I see what you mean here, but I'm totally in agreement with it! There is no good reward for sin.

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And JC wasn't an elitist as you, quite honestly, come off as. His followers were prostitues and other regular old sinners. Heck the righteous of the day were the ones that JC was there to get rid of. As far as I've ever seen of you, you don't exault Christ's love or compassion for people. All you seem is bitter and ready to cast the first stone ("yee without sin..."). Maybe I'm wrong; but that's well how you come off. Me? I know I come off as an a$$ but I don't quite care.

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Elitist? LOL my family would be ROLLING right now. I never really considered myself an elitist before. Wow. That's a new feeling!

Bitter? Nah that's the wrong word. If you are referring to my take on professional aviation careers, then the proper term is "experienced and slightly jaded." I see people talking about "quality of life" in another thread, about whether to upgrade to turboprop or stay jet FO. My friends, you do not know what quality of life is until you own your own business! True QOL comes when you make your own decisions each day, and sleep where you want to each night. It may not be total security, but it certainly is freedom.

As far as exalting love and compassion, well it may not always come across in my posts but I DO care. A lot. It's why I post mainly. Why else would I put up with all this heartburn?

And John - I don't believe that you don't care either. Not for one minute! In fact that's why I like you, because YOU DO.

We may not always agree, but as long as there are people who care in the world, good things will be done.

SteveC · March 1st, 2005, 13:32

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....As far as exalting love and compassion, well it may not always come across in my posts but I DO care. A lot. It's why I post mainly. Why else would I put up with all this heartburn?

And John - I don't believe that you don't care either. Not for one minute! In fact that's why I like you, because YOU DO.

We may not always agree, but as long as there are people who care in the world, good things will be done.

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Now that's what I'm talking about!

FlyChicaga · March 1st, 2005, 14:46

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Bitter? Nah that's the wrong word. If you are referring to my take on professional aviation careers, then the proper term is "experienced and slightly jaded." I see people talking about "quality of life" in another thread, about whether to upgrade to turboprop or stay jet FO. My friends, you do not know what quality of life is until you own your own business! True QOL comes when you make your own decisions each day, and sleep where you want to each night. It may not be total security, but it certainly is freedom.

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This sounds like an Amway commercial.

Mr_Creepy · March 1st, 2005, 16:50

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Bitter? Nah that's the wrong word. If you are referring to my take on professional aviation careers, then the proper term is "experienced and slightly jaded." I see people talking about "quality of life" in another thread, about whether to upgrade to turboprop or stay jet FO. My friends, you do not know what quality of life is until you own your own business! True QOL comes when you make your own decisions each day, and sleep where you want to each night. It may not be total security, but it certainly is freedom.

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This sounds like an Amway commercial.

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LOL!!! "Where will you be in five years?"

seagull · March 11th, 2005, 21:06

I am VERY happy to report that I just filed for my third divorce! I have been walking on eggshells around her for the past 2 years, always afraid of incurring her wrath for some small infraction. She has physically attacked me a few times. Well, this past Friday, I had had enough, called the police and she got to visit the local jail. She attempted to accuse me of assault after she got out and created an altercation at the local bank, but it didn't fly as there were too many eye-witnesses who all agreed that, not only did I not assault her, but she assaulted me AGAIN! All this and I had a baby in my arms, shielding him from her. Could go on and on, but the main thing is that I am free of her, despite her constantly attempting to shortcut the system.

JEP · March 11th, 2005, 21:27

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but she assaulted me AGAIN! All this and I had a baby in my arms, shielding him from her.

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I am sorry to hear that it happened like this. That is the one thing about the Big D. that I can never figure out. If you hate him or her, then fine. But WHY ON EARTH involve the kids or even worse, babies....

Here's to better days!

Doug Taylor · March 11th, 2005, 23:39

Sorry about the divorce, but I'm happy you've found that there is "more to life" than sharing it with someone you can't get along with!

Mentally and physically abusive people suck.

I_Money · March 12th, 2005, 15:12

Seagull - when you make it out to LA, you come totty spotting with me. We will live it up!!

Kristie · March 12th, 2005, 15:24

Can I come too???

kidding.. i'm definately a kidder this time - altho i KNOW i could pick out the best totties!

Doug Taylor · March 12th, 2005, 15:25

...girls love the E-N, boys love the E-N, pets love the E-N, everbody loves the E-N, mate!

cargopusher · March 12th, 2005, 23:32

Just be careful, Seagull - do ya think you better move??

seagull · March 13th, 2005, 11:19

Can't move right now, kids and all. Just got to weather the storm.

As for L.A. I get out there fairly often visiting my other kids out there. That divorce seems like a walk in the park compared to this one!

Doug Taylor · March 13th, 2005, 11:29

If you need a time-out in sunny and 80 degree Scottsdale, let Kristie or myself know and we'll freshen up the guestroom for ya!

We're at the end of a cul-de-sac so it's a perfect position for MikeD to provide air support.

Kristie · March 13th, 2005, 13:50

that's right! JCer's watch out for their own!!

Doug Taylor · March 13th, 2005, 16:03

Pickup trucks and entrenchment tools available too!

seagull · March 13th, 2005, 17:57

How about those that are around MEM, anyone out there?

I_Money · March 13th, 2005, 22:54

Let me know next time you are in LA - if you have time we will go and grab a beer, go to the races, or do something!

heading180 · March 26th, 2005, 15:56

I'm Married with 2 kiddos. I hope I don't get : AIDS

Aviation Induced Divorce Syndrome

BCTAv8r · March 29th, 2005, 13:20

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Pilots can be as hypocritical as anyone else. Some will talk "God & Country" in one sentence, then talk about seeing their kid's soccer coach in the next.

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What's more hypocritical? Doing that above? Or judging someone by holding them to standards you don't follow yourself?

Now I'm not talking about YOU Doug, but I hate it when someone tells me something I'm doing isn't very "Christian" when they are not!

My usual snappy answer is "what do you know about being Christian?"

Remember that Christians aren't any better than anyone else, they've just asked to be forgiven!

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