When to Start a family - Page 3

TheShortOne · July 28th, 2004, 20:06

he likes nookie too don't let him fool you with his ........... nonsense [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

TheWife · July 28th, 2004, 20:10

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LOL you're really an ass mike!!

[/ QUOTE ] No disagreeing here....

I didn't say sex isn't fun. (Nor did I say it is....) But *I* think kids are funner. They last longer. They are much cuter. They can take instructions pretty well and you can boss them around....you can make them wear what ever you want them to....they have imagination and energy....they don't care if you made a crappy dinner or didn't do the dishes....I could on but you get the point. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

MikeD · July 28th, 2004, 20:13

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LOL you're really an ass mike!!

[/ QUOTE ] No disagreeing here....

I didn't say sex isn't fun. (Nor did I say it is....) But *I* think kids are funner. They last longer. They are much cuter. They can take instructions pretty well and you can boss them around....you can make them wear what ever you want them to....they have imagination and energy....they don't care if you made a crappy dinner or didn't do the dishes....I could on but you get the point. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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But they're so much.....responsibility!

And I have to buy them toys that I wish I had.
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TheShortOne · July 28th, 2004, 20:15

hey michelle, are you and the family going to attend vegas?

TheWife · July 28th, 2004, 20:19

No, our 5th anniversary is Sept 9th and since we had no honeymoon and nothing more then dinner and a movie on other anniversaries we are going all out on this one, which leaves nothing left for Vegas. (Unless some one wants to start a "Get The Wife and Corbin to Vegas" charity drive [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ) Plus I'll be half way through my pregnancy, not a good time to head to the Vegas heat...

Kristie · July 29th, 2004, 02:59

But Amber's coming [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] so..so..so.......you should be ok with hanging out with us girls and hitting studio 54!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

so... who would like to pitch in on the "Get TheWife and Corbin to Vegas" charity drive?? I'll pitch in $20! besides, I'd like to meet the mysterious Corbin too... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

MikeD · July 29th, 2004, 03:06

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But Amber's coming [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] so..so..so.......you should be ok with hanging out with us girls and hitting studio 54!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Sounds good to me.

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so... who would like to pitch in on the "Get TheWife and Corbin to Vegas" charity drive?? I'll pitch in $20! besides, I'd like to meet the mysterious Corbin too... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I don't think he's allowed to go anyplace. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Doug Taylor · July 29th, 2004, 03:08

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Well kids are funner than sex......

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*cough*

Have Corbin call Smilin' Bob of Enzyte fame!

Mr_Creepy · July 29th, 2004, 08:58

Kids are a never ending supply of entertainment. Sex lasts what, 4 or 5 hours at best?

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jtrain609 · July 29th, 2004, 09:10

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Kids are a never ending supply of entertainment. Sex lasts what, 4 or 5 hours at best?

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Best? Hmm....

TheShortOne · July 29th, 2004, 09:24

i'll put in $20 for The Wife and Corbin fund! I had a lot of fun with them out in Utah. (and yes, corbin exists...I have a picture of him!) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

naunga · July 29th, 2004, 09:51

Amen brother!!

Naunga

naunga · July 29th, 2004, 09:53

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Well kids are funner than sex......

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Huh? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/insane.gif[/img]

naunga · July 29th, 2004, 10:00

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Kids are a never ending supply of entertainment. Sex lasts what, 4 or 5 hours at best?

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Yeah. I'm sure that's exactly what my mother was thinking while she was in labor, "Oh man this is soooo much better than sex" or when I was in the hospital at age 3 "Man, this is great entertainment. My kid might die. What drama."

And she esspecially was saying that when my brother was a dumbass and got busted for pot in college, "Boy oh boy, paying for my kid's lawyer is much more entertaining than sex any day."

Or how about when they tried to take a nice little weekend vacation and I was in a "mood" as a kid, yelling and screaming. I'm sure that was completely entertaining.

Oh and I'm sure when my wife died briefly when she had Reyes Syndrome her parents were thinking their kid was much more entertaining than having sex.

Personally I think if you find that stuff entertaining, you've got some real issues. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Naunga

naunga · July 29th, 2004, 10:03

Mike that's awesome! You're my hero!

Naunga

naunga · July 29th, 2004, 10:08

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they don't care if you made a crappy dinner

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Hmm, let's see what did my little brother call my mom's cooking at age 5 on up? Oh yeah, "yucky food".

TheWife, my guess if you might feel different if you'd been raising little hellians like my brother and I. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Sounds like you're lucky to be raising a well behaved kido. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Oh, the stories I could tell...like the one where I got in a shovel fight with the neighbors the day before school pictures. There I am, in a nice outfit, a busted lip, and a black tooth.

Naunga

naunga · July 29th, 2004, 10:18

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And I have to buy them toys that I wish I had.

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Yeah, but toys these days kinda suck. Am I wrong?

Naunga

ready2fly · July 29th, 2004, 10:22

Damn Naunga...... bored?

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TheWife · July 29th, 2004, 10:31

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Damn Naunga...... bored?

[/ QUOTE ] Or grouchy?? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Naunga I bet your mom would do it all over again too....

So let's see, that's $40 you all have raised for us.....that will pay for an hours worth of gas! Keep it coming LOL. Or maybe Doug could just "borrow" a plane and pick us up curb side? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I really would bare the heat, the bigger problem is the $400 we are spending on our anniversary. Plus I don't know if I want to bother getting all the way out to Vegas only to be harrassed by Mike....

(Corbin IS allowed to go any where he wants.......that's Mormon-approved [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Wait, does that leave any where besides the M&M factory?? Ooooh M&M's........)

MikeD · July 29th, 2004, 11:07

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(Corbin IS allowed to go any where he wants.......that's Mormon-approved [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Wait, does that leave any where besides the M&M factory?? Ooooh M&M's........)

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Sure. VFR-direct to Cheeta's.......... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bandit.gif[/img]

MikeD · July 29th, 2004, 11:08

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And I have to buy them toys that I wish I had.

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Yeah, but toys these days kinda suck. Am I wrong?

Naunga

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Very true. Remember when Tonka trucks/tractors were actually made of metal?

I had this cool Big Wheel-type thing called a Green Machine.

ready2fly · July 29th, 2004, 11:17

HELL YEAH - Metal Tonka's ROCKED!!! I only wish I would have saved mine instead of letting them rust on the sand pile (as God intended [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] ). They'd be worth a pretty penney now!!

As for the Big Wheel/Green Machine!! HOURS of entertainment at my cousin's house on the "mountain" in Cookeville, Tennessee back in the day!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

naunga · July 29th, 2004, 12:07

Little bit.

Naunga

naunga · July 29th, 2004, 13:19

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Naunga I bet your mom would do it all over again too....

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Not to let things get too heavy in here, but I recently had a discussion with my mom, and she indicated that it wasn't really worth it and that she's quite jealous of me and my wife because she already had one kid when she was my wife's age.

I think her exact remark to me was, "You guys get to take nice vacations that your father and I couldn't take until we'd been married 20 years."

She also was the one who said that we should even think about having children until we're at least 35. I agree with her there. I think though she's a bit surprised that we actually took that advice though.

There was a Dear Abby Survey from the '70's that indicated that 76% of the people who responded (she had around 10,000 responses) if given the chance to do it over would not choose to have children.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that people who have children are bad. I'm not one of these nut jobs who thinks that we're overpopulated. I understand their logic, but I think this is just like the hole in the ozone, which after all the fuss scientists realized had always been there we just couldn't see it until technology advanced. I'm just saying that for me (and others) children are not in the cards...ever.

I also see a lot of parents out there sugar coating parenting. Let's face it, if you look at the facts of childcare...

- Late nights up with a child that won't go to sleep.
- Waiting in hospital ER's because you child is deathly ill.
- Late night up waiting for a child that's out later than planned.
- Increased medical bills
- The pain of labor.
- Having to forgo things that you like to do for you kids.
- Less disposible income.
- Changing poopy diapers (I changed my brother's diaper enough times to last me a lifetime)

It doesn't look like a lot of fun. Of course I skipped that positive things like...

- Birthday parties
- First steps, words, girl friends, boy friends, day of school.
- Family vacations.
- Marriages
- Grandbabies

Just a side note, I simply can name those things as positive based on what other people have told me. Personally none of that sounds fun to me. (Oh, I should have mentioned that try as she might I never enjoyed birthday parties that my mother threw for me and did my best to ruin any that she planned. I was a terror. I have been told that I have a unique ability to make people around me miserable and know how to use it. To this day I absolutely HATE my birthday, don't ask me why. I just do.).

I like talking to my one friend who shortly after he had his kid said, he couldn't believe how much work they are. He also said that he didn't feel for the kid like he thought he would. It's simply another person to him. Nothing special, but he did love her. That's the truth of kids. He doesn't sugar coat by saying things like, "Oh your heart just melts when you look at them" and "Oh kids are soo great and happy all the time". He tells me he'd do anything for his daughter, but she's a complete pain in the ass most days, and that he can't wait until she's out of the house (she's two by the way). He also tells me she'd better get good grades because he's not paying for her to go to school. He's a little brutal and intense if you can't tell.

Kids aren't magical, special, beings that drift down from heaven on a fluffy white cloud. They arrive through their mother's birth canal in a very painful and traumatic manner. They disrupt your life and your marriage. It's been shown in study after study that while marriage makes you happier children don't, and sometimes actually hurt a marriage. I suspect this happens because the parents have unreasonable expectations of how great kids are. Every person I've met who has kids (esspecially new ones) has said, "I had no idea how hard this was going to be". Kids aren't like kittens who are cute and cuddley, cheerfully eat what they're given, are potty trained within a couple of days, can be left alone in the house, never ask for money, can entertain themselves, never look at you and inspite of all you've done for them say right to your face "I hate you!" and mean it, never say "you're the worst (mom - dad) ever!", don't need riden about getting homework done, and in the end if you don't like them or they just plain piss you off you can sell them, give them away, or if you have no conscience simply leave them on the street. Without worrying about child protective services coming to your house.

Now you'd think by reading this that I hate children. That's not true. I like kids. Kids that are over the age of 3 in small doses and that I don't own. I had a blast teaching boating at Scout Camp in high school, but it never once made me want to have children. In fact, and I hear this from friends I have who are teachers, spending a lot of time around kids is the best birth control out there. Kids can be cruel, they're nothing but little egos, and some kids have been taught that they are the center of the universe. Try telling one of those youngin''s that no they don't get their merit badge, because they never showed up to class. I always enjoyed playing with my little cousins, but when they became pains, cried, and wanted something it wasn't me they complained to, and I could always give them back to mom and dad.

Anyhow, to Ready2Fly and TheWife's point...I'm bored and grouchy. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Later.

Naunga

ready2fly · July 29th, 2004, 14:30

Wow!

On a side note: My little gift from heaven is scheduled to arrive on a little white puff of cloud..... through the vaginal canal.....sometime around December 17th and we just found out that our soon-to-be happy little baby is going to be a boy! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I know that when I look at him, I'll melt. I know that I'll cherish the time I get to spend with him - and even learn to deal with the bad days - which, any kid of mine is sure to have if he takes after his Daddy.

I know that I'll feel about him like I do for no other person, save my wife, as he is part of me. I already do.

I know that when he craps, I'll clean it. When he's up late at night, I'll be right there with him. When he cries, I'll hold him until we find out why. When he's hurt/sick, I'll stay in the hospital and gladly pay the bill - no matter how large.

When he's older and comes home late, I won't sleep until I hear his key in the door or a call on the phone letting me know where he is.

Should he die before me, I will grieve like no human has ever grieved.

Why? Because he is my son. My baby. My boy.

He is me, and I, him.

I have wanted children since before I met my wife. I always knew I'd be a father.

For me, any selfishness for what I want is a non-issue because this IS what I want.

So, we forego vacations for a year or two... big deal. I've never had the money to take long, extravagant vacations anyway. Hell, I've never been further west than Nashville, TN. My idea of a good time is camping in a tent.

I'm pretty low maintenance that way.

My life will revolve around my wife and son.... and any other children we are blessed with in the future.

I will gladly pay for daycare - yeah, I'll bitch about how expensive it is, but it'll be worth it - every penny from now until the day I die.

That's my take on the issue. I feel for those who are miserable parents.

Nobody ever said it was easy and if easy is the way people choose to go through life (like my sister and Bro-in-law), then so be it, but I've always been told that nothing easy is ever worth doing.

I know I'll lose sleep. I know I'll spend money. I know I'll be peed on and get poop on my hands. So what? It's my son and I'll be the proudest Dad out there.

Sad to hear that other parents regret their childrens existance. I feell for the child... not the parent.

R2F

July 28th, 2004, 20:06	#51
TheShortOne Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 3,602	Re: When to Start a family he likes nookie too don't let him fool you with his ........... nonsense [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

July 28th, 2004, 20:10	#52
TheWife Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Utah Posts: 4,180	Re: When to Start a family [ QUOTE ] LOL you're really an ass mike!! [/ QUOTE ] No disagreeing here.... I didn't say sex isn't fun. (Nor did I say it is....) But I think kids are funner. They last longer. They are much cuter. They can take instructions pretty well and you can boss them around....you can make them wear what ever you want them to....they have imagination and energy....they don't care if you made a crappy dinner or didn't do the dishes....I could on but you get the point. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

July 28th, 2004, 20:13	#53
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: When to Start a family [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] LOL you're really an ass mike!! [/ QUOTE ] No disagreeing here.... I didn't say sex isn't fun. (Nor did I say it is....) But I think kids are funner. They last longer. They are much cuter. They can take instructions pretty well and you can boss them around....you can make them wear what ever you want them to....they have imagination and energy....they don't care if you made a crappy dinner or didn't do the dishes....I could on but you get the point. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] But they're so much.....responsibility! And I have to buy them toys that I wish I had. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

July 28th, 2004, 20:15	#54
TheShortOne Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 3,602	Re: When to Start a family hey michelle, are you and the family going to attend vegas?

July 28th, 2004, 20:19	#55
TheWife Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Utah Posts: 4,180	Re: When to Start a family No, our 5th anniversary is Sept 9th and since we had no honeymoon and nothing more then dinner and a movie on other anniversaries we are going all out on this one, which leaves nothing left for Vegas. (Unless some one wants to start a "Get The Wife and Corbin to Vegas" charity drive [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ) Plus I'll be half way through my pregnancy, not a good time to head to the Vegas heat...

July 29th, 2004, 02:59	#56
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 19,293 Blog Entries: 3	Re: When to Start a family But Amber's coming [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] so..so..so.......you should be ok with hanging out with us girls and hitting studio 54!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] so... who would like to pitch in on the "Get TheWife and Corbin to Vegas" charity drive?? I'll pitch in $20! besides, I'd like to meet the mysterious Corbin too... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

July 29th, 2004, 03:06	#57
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: When to Start a family [ QUOTE ] But Amber's coming [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] so..so..so.......you should be ok with hanging out with us girls and hitting studio 54!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Sounds good to me. [ QUOTE ] so... who would like to pitch in on the "Get TheWife and Corbin to Vegas" charity drive?? I'll pitch in $20! besides, I'd like to meet the mysterious Corbin too... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I don't think he's allowed to go anyplace. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

July 29th, 2004, 03:08	#58
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,927 Blog Entries: 1	Re: When to Start a family [ QUOTE ] Well kids are funner than sex...... [/ QUOTE ] cough Have Corbin call Smilin' Bob of Enzyte fame!

July 29th, 2004, 08:58	#59
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,810	Re: When to Start a family Kids are a never ending supply of entertainment. Sex lasts what, 4 or 5 hours at best? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

July 29th, 2004, 09:10	#60
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,869	Re: When to Start a family [ QUOTE ] Kids are a never ending supply of entertainment. Sex lasts what, 4 or 5 hours at best? [/ QUOTE ] Best? Hmm....

July 29th, 2004, 09:24	#61
TheShortOne Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 3,602	Re: When to Start a family i'll put in $20 for The Wife and Corbin fund! I had a lot of fun with them out in Utah. (and yes, corbin exists...I have a picture of him!) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

July 29th, 2004, 09:51	#62
naunga Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: McDonough, GA Posts: 981	Re: When to Start a family Amen brother!! Naunga

July 29th, 2004, 09:53	#63
naunga Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: McDonough, GA Posts: 981	Re: When to Start a family [ QUOTE ] Well kids are funner than sex...... [/ QUOTE ] Huh? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/insane.gif[/img]

July 29th, 2004, 10:00	#64
naunga Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: McDonough, GA Posts: 981	Re: When to Start a family [ QUOTE ] Kids are a never ending supply of entertainment. Sex lasts what, 4 or 5 hours at best? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah. I'm sure that's exactly what my mother was thinking while she was in labor, "Oh man this is soooo much better than sex" or when I was in the hospital at age 3 "Man, this is great entertainment. My kid might die. What drama." And she esspecially was saying that when my brother was a dumbass and got busted for pot in college, "Boy oh boy, paying for my kid's lawyer is much more entertaining than sex any day." Or how about when they tried to take a nice little weekend vacation and I was in a "mood" as a kid, yelling and screaming. I'm sure that was completely entertaining. Oh and I'm sure when my wife died briefly when she had Reyes Syndrome her parents were thinking their kid was much more entertaining than having sex. Personally I think if you find that stuff entertaining, you've got some real issues. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] Naunga

July 29th, 2004, 10:03	#65
naunga Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: McDonough, GA Posts: 981	Re: When to Start a family Mike that's awesome! You're my hero! Naunga

July 29th, 2004, 10:08	#66
naunga Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: McDonough, GA Posts: 981	Re: When to Start a family [ QUOTE ] they don't care if you made a crappy dinner [/ QUOTE ] Hmm, let's see what did my little brother call my mom's cooking at age 5 on up? Oh yeah, "yucky food". TheWife, my guess if you might feel different if you'd been raising little hellians like my brother and I. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Sounds like you're lucky to be raising a well behaved kido. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Oh, the stories I could tell...like the one where I got in a shovel fight with the neighbors the day before school pictures. There I am, in a nice outfit, a busted lip, and a black tooth. Naunga

July 29th, 2004, 10:18	#67
naunga Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: McDonough, GA Posts: 981	Re: When to Start a family [ QUOTE ] And I have to buy them toys that I wish I had. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, but toys these days kinda suck. Am I wrong? Naunga

July 29th, 2004, 10:22	#68
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,373	Re: When to Start a family Damn Naunga...... bored? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

July 29th, 2004, 10:31	#69
TheWife Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Utah Posts: 4,180	Re: When to Start a family [ QUOTE ] Damn Naunga...... bored? [/ QUOTE ] Or grouchy?? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Naunga I bet your mom would do it all over again too.... So let's see, that's $40 you all have raised for us.....that will pay for an hours worth of gas! Keep it coming LOL. Or maybe Doug could just "borrow" a plane and pick us up curb side? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I really would bare the heat, the bigger problem is the $400 we are spending on our anniversary. Plus I don't know if I want to bother getting all the way out to Vegas only to be harrassed by Mike.... (Corbin IS allowed to go any where he wants.......that's Mormon-approved [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Wait, does that leave any where besides the M&M factory?? Ooooh M&M's........)

July 29th, 2004, 11:07	#70
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: When to Start a family [ QUOTE ] (Corbin IS allowed to go any where he wants.......that's Mormon-approved [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Wait, does that leave any where besides the M&M factory?? Ooooh M&M's........) [/ QUOTE ] Sure. VFR-direct to Cheeta's.......... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bandit.gif[/img]

July 29th, 2004, 11:08	#71
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: When to Start a family [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And I have to buy them toys that I wish I had. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, but toys these days kinda suck. Am I wrong? Naunga [/ QUOTE ] Very true. Remember when Tonka trucks/tractors were actually made of metal? I had this cool Big Wheel-type thing called a Green Machine.

July 29th, 2004, 11:17	#72
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,373	Re: When to Start a family HELL YEAH - Metal Tonka's ROCKED!!! I only wish I would have saved mine instead of letting them rust on the sand pile (as God intended [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] ). They'd be worth a pretty penney now!! As for the Big Wheel/Green Machine!! HOURS of entertainment at my cousin's house on the "mountain" in Cookeville, Tennessee back in the day!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

July 29th, 2004, 12:07	#73
naunga Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: McDonough, GA Posts: 981	Re: When to Start a family Little bit. Naunga

July 29th, 2004, 13:19	#74
naunga Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: McDonough, GA Posts: 981	Re: When to Start a family [ QUOTE ] Naunga I bet your mom would do it all over again too.... [/ QUOTE ] Not to let things get too heavy in here, but I recently had a discussion with my mom, and she indicated that it wasn't really worth it and that she's quite jealous of me and my wife because she already had one kid when she was my wife's age. I think her exact remark to me was, "You guys get to take nice vacations that your father and I couldn't take until we'd been married 20 years." She also was the one who said that we should even think about having children until we're at least 35. I agree with her there. I think though she's a bit surprised that we actually took that advice though. There was a Dear Abby Survey from the '70's that indicated that 76% of the people who responded (she had around 10,000 responses) if given the chance to do it over would not choose to have children. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that people who have children are bad. I'm not one of these nut jobs who thinks that we're overpopulated. I understand their logic, but I think this is just like the hole in the ozone, which after all the fuss scientists realized had always been there we just couldn't see it until technology advanced. I'm just saying that for me (and others) children are not in the cards...ever. I also see a lot of parents out there sugar coating parenting. Let's face it, if you look at the facts of childcare... - Late nights up with a child that won't go to sleep. - Waiting in hospital ER's because you child is deathly ill. - Late night up waiting for a child that's out later than planned. - Increased medical bills - The pain of labor. - Having to forgo things that you like to do for you kids. - Less disposible income. - Changing poopy diapers (I changed my brother's diaper enough times to last me a lifetime) It doesn't look like a lot of fun. Of course I skipped that positive things like... - Birthday parties - First steps, words, girl friends, boy friends, day of school. - Family vacations. - Marriages - Grandbabies Just a side note, I simply can name those things as positive based on what other people have told me. Personally none of that sounds fun to me. (Oh, I should have mentioned that try as she might I never enjoyed birthday parties that my mother threw for me and did my best to ruin any that she planned. I was a terror. I have been told that I have a unique ability to make people around me miserable and know how to use it. To this day I absolutely HATE my birthday, don't ask me why. I just do.). I like talking to my one friend who shortly after he had his kid said, he couldn't believe how much work they are. He also said that he didn't feel for the kid like he thought he would. It's simply another person to him. Nothing special, but he did love her. That's the truth of kids. He doesn't sugar coat by saying things like, "Oh your heart just melts when you look at them" and "Oh kids are soo great and happy all the time". He tells me he'd do anything for his daughter, but she's a complete pain in the ass most days, and that he can't wait until she's out of the house (she's two by the way). He also tells me she'd better get good grades because he's not paying for her to go to school. He's a little brutal and intense if you can't tell. Kids aren't magical, special, beings that drift down from heaven on a fluffy white cloud. They arrive through their mother's birth canal in a very painful and traumatic manner. They disrupt your life and your marriage. It's been shown in study after study that while marriage makes you happier children don't, and sometimes actually hurt a marriage. I suspect this happens because the parents have unreasonable expectations of how great kids are. Every person I've met who has kids (esspecially new ones) has said, "I had no idea how hard this was going to be". Kids aren't like kittens who are cute and cuddley, cheerfully eat what they're given, are potty trained within a couple of days, can be left alone in the house, never ask for money, can entertain themselves, never look at you and inspite of all you've done for them say right to your face "I hate you!" and mean it, never say "you're the worst (mom - dad) ever!", don't need riden about getting homework done, and in the end if you don't like them or they just plain piss you off you can sell them, give them away, or if you have no conscience simply leave them on the street. Without worrying about child protective services coming to your house. Now you'd think by reading this that I hate children. That's not true. I like kids. Kids that are over the age of 3 in small doses and that I don't own. I had a blast teaching boating at Scout Camp in high school, but it never once made me want to have children. In fact, and I hear this from friends I have who are teachers, spending a lot of time around kids is the best birth control out there. Kids can be cruel, they're nothing but little egos, and some kids have been taught that they are the center of the universe. Try telling one of those youngin''s that no they don't get their merit badge, because they never showed up to class. I always enjoyed playing with my little cousins, but when they became pains, cried, and wanted something it wasn't me they complained to, and I could always give them back to mom and dad. Anyhow, to Ready2Fly and TheWife's point...I'm bored and grouchy. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Later. Naunga

July 29th, 2004, 14:30	#75
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,373	Re: When to Start a family Wow! On a side note: My little gift from heaven is scheduled to arrive on a little white puff of cloud..... through the vaginal canal.....sometime around December 17th and we just found out that our soon-to-be happy little baby is going to be a boy! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I know that when I look at him, I'll melt. I know that I'll cherish the time I get to spend with him - and even learn to deal with the bad days - which, any kid of mine is sure to have if he takes after his Daddy. I know that I'll feel about him like I do for no other person, save my wife, as he is part of me. I already do. I know that when he craps, I'll clean it. When he's up late at night, I'll be right there with him. When he cries, I'll hold him until we find out why. When he's hurt/sick, I'll stay in the hospital and gladly pay the bill - no matter how large. When he's older and comes home late, I won't sleep until I hear his key in the door or a call on the phone letting me know where he is. Should he die before me, I will grieve like no human has ever grieved. Why? Because he is my son. My baby. My boy. He is me, and I, him. I have wanted children since before I met my wife. I always knew I'd be a father. For me, any selfishness for what I want is a non-issue because this IS what I want. So, we forego vacations for a year or two... big deal. I've never had the money to take long, extravagant vacations anyway. Hell, I've never been further west than Nashville, TN. My idea of a good time is camping in a tent. I'm pretty low maintenance that way. My life will revolve around my wife and son.... and any other children we are blessed with in the future. I will gladly pay for daycare - yeah, I'll bitch about how expensive it is, but it'll be worth it - every penny from now until the day I die. That's my take on the issue. I feel for those who are miserable parents. Nobody ever said it was easy and if easy is the way people choose to go through life (like my sister and Bro-in-law), then so be it, but I've always been told that nothing easy is ever worth doing. I know I'll lose sleep. I know I'll spend money. I know I'll be peed on and get poop on my hands. So what? It's my son and I'll be the proudest Dad out there. Sad to hear that other parents regret their childrens existance. I feell for the child... not the parent. R2F

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