Jetcareers http://forums.jetcareers.com/ an online community of airline and corporate pilots en Fri, 03 Sep 2010 08:14:32 GMT vBulletin 250 http://forums.jetcareers.com/images/misc/rss.jpg Jetcareers http://forums.jetcareers.com/ PHOENIX AIR GROUP, INC. - CA First Officer Turboprop (G1) http://forums.jetcareers.com/jobs-available/114071-phoenix-air-group-inc-ca-first-officer-turboprop-g1.html Fri, 03 Sep 2010 04:57:43 GMT Turboprop (G1) First Officer needed at Pt. Mugu, California. Minimum 3-5 years experience. Must have commercial, multi, instrument ratings, 1000 total hours and 250 multi engine. Must be able to relocate and be onsite by 09/20/10. Must be able to pass background and drug screen. EOE No... Turboprop (G1) First Officer needed at Pt. Mugu, California. Minimum 3-5 years experience. Must
have commercial, multi, instrument ratings, 1000 total hours and 250 multi engine. Must be able
to relocate and be onsite by 09/20/10. Must be able to pass background and drug screen. EOE

No phone calls please.

Email resumes to employment@phoenixair.com or fax resume to
770-387-9999.

Subject Line: CA Turboprop UP

Fax: 770-387-9999
Web site: www.phoenixair.com ]]> Jobs Available dvtpilot http://forums.jetcareers.com/jobs-available/114071-phoenix-air-group-inc-ca-first-officer-turboprop-g1.html ramp interview with skywest http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/114070-ramp-interview-skywest.html Fri, 03 Sep 2010 04:23:05 GMT I was invited to their open house /group interview. But I just nailed down my school schedule, I wonder if they have part time positions on the ramp. Does anyone know if they hire from within the company? I was invited to their open house /group interview. But I just nailed down my school schedule, I wonder if they have part time positions on the ramp. Does anyone know if they hire from within the company? ]]> General Topics Hawks http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/114070-ramp-interview-skywest.html best place to do multi engine rating.......asap http://forums.jetcareers.com/flight-academies-fixed-base-operators-fbo/114069-best-place-do-multi-engine-rating-asap.html Fri, 03 Sep 2010 04:17:33 GMT please suggest guys just wanted to multi engine rating in any of the airplane-DA 42,PIPER SENECA,BEECHCRAFT DUTCHESS or any thing approved by DGCA!!! please suggest guys just wanted to multi engine rating in any of the airplane-DA 42,PIPER SENECA,BEECHCRAFT DUTCHESS or any thing approved by DGCA!!! ]]> Flight Academies and Fixed Base Operators (FBO) mejogeorge http://forums.jetcareers.com/flight-academies-fixed-base-operators-fbo/114069-best-place-do-multi-engine-rating-asap.html For Sale Jepp Airway Manual x3 2in http://forums.jetcareers.com/trading-post/114066-jepp-airway-manual-x3-2in.html Fri, 03 Sep 2010 04:06:06 GMT Three Jeppesen Airway Manual binders 2" ring size. Superior Quality Plastic. One is near new, the other two..nicely used. Can dump the 4 year old SE charts or not. Comes with a few tabs (enroute, chart change, terminal), South East states and dividers.

$35 shipped. ]]> The Trading Post vikingair http://forums.jetcareers.com/trading-post/114066-jepp-airway-manual-x3-2in.html Alaska I hardly knew ya! http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/114064-alaska-i-hardly-knew-ya.html Fri, 03 Sep 2010 03:10:03 GMT The season is done, at least for me, and I've sat down and run all my totals. Since my first flight on 4/28 I worked 92 days and logged 418 hours. I now have more time in a 207 than I do in any other of my 40 different airframes and I can honestly say I am a much, much better pilot. I thought I was pretty good before but I was wrong.

I went to Hoonah 114 times, Haines 115, Gustavus 78, Skagway 76, Kake 23 and Excursion Inlet 16. My charter to Sitka was the only time I visited there. In those flights I only had 5 weather turn backs because I'm a huge chicken-S. I didn't much care for being the scout and usually let someone else who was more experienced blaze the trail for me. I scared the crap out of myself a few times, contemplated landing on a beach once, and hoped all summer for a charter to someplace off airport but that didn't happen! Only a lucky few found Glacier Point! The folks I had the pleasure of flying and working with are some of the most memorable and finest individuals I've ever met. It's really impressive to see a great team come together and I'm sorry I have to leave, very sorry.

If you're looking for a challenge of both mind and body then I'd suggest coming to fly in South East Alaska. It will change you, hopefully for the better. I think however it has ruined me and I'll be back.

I love this place.

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]]> General Topics esa17 http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/114064-alaska-i-hardly-knew-ya.html Delta Global Services Ramp Agent http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/114063-delta-global-services-ramp-agent.html Fri, 03 Sep 2010 02:50:22 GMT Anyone work for them in this position? What's the scoop? They seem to hire almost constantly in PIT; is there a high turn over rate? Is their safety record as bad as I've heard it is? Is it true DGS employees don't get flight benefits for six months?

Thanks! :) ]]> General Topics scramjet http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/114063-delta-global-services-ramp-agent.html Flying pipeline http://forums.jetcareers.com/youtube-aviation-videos/114060-flying-pipeline.html Fri, 03 Sep 2010 02:19:58 GMT Me and my buddy put this together from my pipeline route. It's about a 6 hour flight, edited down to 10 minutes, re-edited down to 4 minutes to fit on youtube. Enjoy!



Any feedback would be great! ]]> YouTube Aviation Videos MichaelC http://forums.jetcareers.com/youtube-aviation-videos/114060-flying-pipeline.html Cleared to land http://forums.jetcareers.com/cfi-corner/114059-cleared-land.html Fri, 03 Sep 2010 02:10:28 GMT I had a meeting for work tonite with one of the bosses up at KDAB air traffic control. i wanted to share a few things with you guys that we talked about.

1. when atc tells you "Cleared to land", it does NOT mean you can descend. as he explained it, "cleared to land does not mean you can descend from your current altitude. what it means is that ATC expects the runway to be available/clear when you become established on the final". when given a cleared to land clearance, you should hear "altitude restriction cancelled" or "descent approved" before vacating your current altitude.

2. When atc tells you "cleared direct to the numbers", it means you can descend from your last altitude. when given this clearance you are expected to do just that.. fly direct to the numbers.

they explained to us that these are common mistakes made by students and instructors alike, but are usually disregarded by atc facilities. I found this interested, as when i heard "cleared to land" i assumed that it was ok to descend from my current altitude. guess i was wrong. anyways, still learning :). ]]> CFI Corner Aviator1988 http://forums.jetcareers.com/cfi-corner/114059-cleared-land.html Need Advice ... which route to take. http://forums.jetcareers.com/changing-careers/114058-need-advice-route-take.html Fri, 03 Sep 2010 01:54:37 GMT Well, I've been listing out the pros and cons of this for days, but think some of my fellow JC'ers may have some better answers.

Currently, I am a college student, majoring in Commercial Aviation. I am just finishing up my CFI ticket and have 2 more classes to complete the requirements for the Aviation degree. I've already completed a minor in Psychology as well.
I throughly enjoy aviation, but I am not sure the Airlines is where I want to be anymore. I have a girlfriend, which I believe will turn into a future wife, and she has a daughter that I couldn't live without :)

I currently work part time as a mechandiser for a large bread company. They have offered me a position as a full time route driver. 5 days a week, 40 hrs ... weekends off... and the starting year salary of around 40k... with the potential for more cash based on route expansion. (Side note: some of the other drivers are making around 60K a year.) Full benefits, 401K, Holidays, Vacation and all that good stuff.

I've been concerned with the aviation climate as are most of us and the potential to get a job and with my instructor highlighting how hard it has been to find a job when your competiting against 500 other applicants I guess I am wondering if this is an opportunity that I shouldn't pass up.

So heres my thought processes
If I take the route position job, I would like to finish my two flight classes, all be it it will be very challenging, and graduating with my Commercial Aviation degree. My other thought process is to Graduate with a BS in General Studies, and a minor in Aviation and Psychology. I know that many people say that what you have you degree in is neither here nor there so I wonder if this is a good option ?

Or do I pass up this opportunity and finish the last two classes. Either way I wouldn't be finishing school until next August, but either way I will walk away with a College Degree.

So any words of advice for a fellow pilot ?? Thanks in Advance ! ]]> Changing Careers ORDFlyer85 http://forums.jetcareers.com/changing-careers/114058-need-advice-route-take.html Want to Buy I need a Bose X Headset http://forums.jetcareers.com/trading-post/114054-i-need-bose-x-headset.html Fri, 03 Sep 2010 01:02:49 GMT Hello all, I am looking to upgrade to a Bose headset! After starting to instruct 100+ hours per month I think it is much needed. Does anyone have one for sale or know of someone who does? Thanks in advance! Hello all,

I am looking to upgrade to a Bose headset! After starting to instruct 100+ hours per month I think it is much needed. Does anyone have one for sale or know of someone who does?

Thanks in advance! ]]> The Trading Post MSU Pilot http://forums.jetcareers.com/trading-post/114054-i-need-bose-x-headset.html Sin City H3 http://forums.jetcareers.com/aviationcareerexpo-com-networkjc-2010/114050-sin-city-h3.html Fri, 03 Sep 2010 00:16:20 GMT Didn't realize how many hashers were on here, but if any of you wankers are into to it, I noticed from their website that the Sin City H3 will be setting trail at 1800 on TUES OCT 19.

I'm sure I will have a hangover to work off by then. ]]> AviationCareerExpo.com (NetworkJC 2010) drunkenbeagle http://forums.jetcareers.com/aviationcareerexpo-com-networkjc-2010/114050-sin-city-h3.html Piedmont info http://forums.jetcareers.com/flight-control-dispatch/114047-piedmont-info.html Fri, 03 Sep 2010 00:00:58 GMT I am from the DC area and was looking at my options for a regional airline closer to home than a city like MEM. Piedmont is the closest regional in SBY. I have looked at their jobs board a number of times the past few years. Ive never seen them looking for dispatchers. They hire a lot of mechanics... I am from the DC area and was looking at my options for a regional airline closer to home than a city like MEM. Piedmont is the closest regional in SBY. I have looked at their jobs board a number of times the past few years. Ive never seen them looking for dispatchers. They hire a lot of mechanics and FAs currently and were looking for low time pilots back in the big boom so there has been attrition in decent numbers in the company the past few years. Ive seen almost every other regional looking at some point.

PSA Airlines are similar in size to Piedmont and they are accepting resumes and were hiring earlier this year. How does Piedmont manage to keep dispatchers or does Piedmont hire from within like WN and FDX? Does anyone know what their pay is or anything about their dispatch set up?

Piedmont is one of most quiet airlines on JC for dispatchers. ]]> Flight Control/Dispatch DCTNstudentpilot1987 http://forums.jetcareers.com/flight-control-dispatch/114047-piedmont-info.html Delta Scope http://forums.jetcareers.com/airline-pilots/114045-delta-scope.html Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:42:15 GMT There has been alot of talk about the future of RJ flying. Well the info that I have been getting from upper management is an outlook and vision. Right now it is my understanding that Delta management wants to offer the Pilot group a 15%, or more, raise to ease the scope to around 100 to 120 seats... There has been alot of talk about the future of RJ flying. Well the info that I have been getting from upper management is an outlook and vision. Right now it is my understanding that Delta management wants to offer the Pilot group a 15%, or more, raise to ease the scope to around 100 to 120 seats per aircraft.
After talking with a few Captains some would give their first born for a raise. The NW group seems on board as do a majority of the Delta older pilot group. Right now the aircraft that comes to mind is the C series RJ. This is something I can see taking place in the next 2 or 3 years. ]]> Airline Pilots trailblazer http://forums.jetcareers.com/airline-pilots/114045-delta-scope.html Headline: EU blacklists 2 Ghanaian cargo airlines (AP) http://forums.jetcareers.com/airline-news/114044-eu-blacklists-2-ghanaian-cargo-airlines-ap.html Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:35:12 GMT AP - The European Union says it has added two Ghanaian-registered cargo companies to its list of airlines whose aircraft are barred from flying to Europe. Full Article...... AP - The European Union says it has added two Ghanaian-registered cargo companies to its list of airlines whose aircraft are barred from flying to Europe.

Full Article... ]]> Airline News NewsBot http://forums.jetcareers.com/airline-news/114044-eu-blacklists-2-ghanaian-cargo-airlines-ap.html Expect the XX Approach http://forums.jetcareers.com/pilot-controller-questions/114043-expect-xx-approach.html Thu, 02 Sep 2010 22:28:57 GMT I guess I should know this but I can use some controller help here:

I was on my filed and cleared flight plan that included an arrival. I was 60 miles away and told to "expect the VOR 11 approach". Now the arrival swings me around to an in-line point along the final whereas the VOR approach brings me to the VOR, outbound, procedure turn to return.

I stayed on the arrival only to be yelled at for "departing from the approach route".

Please help: Is an "expect the approach" an authorization to fly the procedure or am I to maintain my last clearance until told to fly to a point "for the VOR 11 approach"?

Thank you, in advance...... ]]> Pilot-Controller Questions dustoff17 http://forums.jetcareers.com/pilot-controller-questions/114043-expect-xx-approach.html Charleston, SC http://forums.jetcareers.com/meet-greets/114041-charleston-sc.html Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:35:19 GMT I will be there Fri until Monday, anyone around the area or good recommendations? I will be there Fri until Monday, anyone around the area or good recommendations? ]]> Meet and Greets Crockrocket94 http://forums.jetcareers.com/meet-greets/114041-charleston-sc.html A Great Chat with Delta! http://forums.jetcareers.com/aviationcareerexpo-com-networkjc-2010/114038-great-chat-delta.html Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:24:37 GMT They will be in attendance and also will be giving an educational chat as well!

You'll be hearing about do's and don'ts of applying and well a as lot of other interesting topics that need to be discussed.

They're certainly interested in outreach and like what we're doing with the 'pay it forward' concept.

Happy happy happy! :) ]]> AviationCareerExpo.com (NetworkJC 2010) Doug Taylor http://forums.jetcareers.com/aviationcareerexpo-com-networkjc-2010/114038-great-chat-delta.html Fatal accident in San Carlos, CA http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/114037-fatal-accident-san-carlos-ca.html Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:09:59 GMT http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...ula&id=7646599
Quote:
REDWOOD SHORES, CA (KGO) -- One person is dead and more may be missing after a small plane crashed into a lagoon near the San Carlos Airport after takeoff.

The body of a woman believed to be in her 40s was pulled from the water near the plane.
The plane, a Twin Beechcraft Queen crashed at 11:53 a.m. According to the San Carlos Airport, two to three people may have been on board and the plane was en route to San Martin.
The San Mateo County search and rescue team has been called to the scene to look for additional victims.
People in small boats and kayaks initially came to the rescue.


Some sources are saying it was a Queen Air, and some are saying it was a Duchess. There is a Queen Air based in SQL, and BelAir has a fleet of Duchesses. From the picture, I'm very sure it was the Queen Air. Either way, very sad. This is the first fatal crash I can remember that actually occurred at the airport:(.

EDIT: Yes, it is a Queen Air. ]]> General Topics ChasenSFO http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/114037-fatal-accident-san-carlos-ca.html Hurricane Earl http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/114036-hurricane-earl.html Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:09:53 GMT My apologies if this belongs in the Lav. I figured you all would enjoy this one! *As Hurricane Earl threatens Eastern Seaboard, * *rain and waves hit N.C. islands* *Not since Hurricane Bob in 1991 has a storm threatened so much of the region* Image:... My apologies if this belongs in the Lav. I figured you all would enjoy this one!

As Hurricane Earl threatens Eastern Seaboard,
rain and waves hit N.C. islands

Not since Hurricane Bob in 1991 has a storm threatened so much of the region


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]]> General Topics gtlyon http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/114036-hurricane-earl.html Need help choosing the right plan. http://forums.jetcareers.com/collegiate-aviation/114035-need-help-choosing-right-plan.html Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:57:29 GMT Ok, I am 14 years old and I live in Greece. I have American Citizenship and as soon as I finish high school here, I will move to America. I am trying to make a plan for the future. Please tell me which one you recommend. 1) Get my private in the summer before college, go to a University, study... Ok, I am 14 years old and I live in Greece. I have American Citizenship and as soon as I finish high school here, I will move to America.
I am trying to make a plan for the future. Please tell me which one you recommend.

1) Get my private in the summer before college, go to a University, study Aeronautical Engineering, then in one of the summers do the 90 day fast track program at ATP.

2) Go to University, study Aero. Engineering, finish college, then go to a local FBO and get my ratings.

3) Go to Embry Riddle and get my ratings there.

4) <insert your recommendation here>

Also, would Embry Riddle be worth it? If my resume says that I went to Riddle or another college flight school, will that mean anything to the airlines or will they consider it the same as going to a local FBO?

I appreciate any feedback you can give me. ]]> Collegiate Aviation AviationInspiration http://forums.jetcareers.com/collegiate-aviation/114035-need-help-choosing-right-plan.html The Oatmeal: The crap we put up with flying http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/114034-oatmeal-crap-we-put-up-flying.html Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:50:03 GMT http://theoatmeal.com/comics/airplane Hilarious! :laff: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/airplane

Hilarious! :laff: ]]> General Topics darthpanda http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/114034-oatmeal-crap-we-put-up-flying.html For Sale Jeppesen Multi-Engine / Chart Training DVDs http://forums.jetcareers.com/trading-post/114033-jeppesen-multi-engine-chart-training-dvds.html Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:47:01 GMT $40 shipped each. Looks new to me! PM if you have any questions! Image: http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii6/tt__88/IMG_0377.jpg Image: http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii6/tt__88/IMG_0374-1.jpg _*Jepp multi*_ * Multi-Engine Operations $40 shipped each.
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Jepp multi
  • Multi-Engine Operations
  • Multi-Engine Aerodynamics
  • Multi-Engine Maneuvers
  • Engine-Out Operations
  • Instrument Flight
Jepp Chart
The Approach/Airport Chart section includes:
  • Introduction
  • Heading
  • Plan View
  • Profile View
  • Landing Minimums
  • RNAV
  • Jeppesen' s Briefing Strip
The Enroute Chart section includes:
  • Introduction
  • Chart Symbology
  • Reporting Points
  • Defining Airways and Intersections
  • Enroute Altitudes
  • High Altitude Charts
  • Jet Routes
  • Minimum Off-Route Altitudes
The Departure and Arrival section includes:
Introduction
Clearances
Pilot Navigation Departure Procedures
Vector Departure Procedures
Textural vs. Graphic Departure
Takeoff Minimums
Flying the Transition
Standard Terminal Arrival Routes
Flying the STAR
Planning the Approach
Descent Planning
 ]]> The Trading Post OUTTIE http://forums.jetcareers.com/trading-post/114033-jeppesen-multi-engine-chart-training-dvds.html question from ATP seminole supplement http://forums.jetcareers.com/airline-transport-professionals-atp/114032-question-atp-seminole-supplement.html Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:44:35 GMT Can't seem to find the answer to this question in the supplement:

What indicates that the gear is in transit and the hydraulic pump is activated?

I have read the whole section under landing gear and can not seem to find the answer:dunno:. thank you.

***just flew in from Hawaii last night, I check in with ATP on Monday September 6...anxious to get started.*** ]]> Airline Transport Professionals (ATP) determined2fly http://forums.jetcareers.com/airline-transport-professionals-atp/114032-question-atp-seminole-supplement.html Headline: American Airlines pilot cleared of alcohol (AP) http://forums.jetcareers.com/airline-news/114031-american-airlines-pilot-cleared-alcohol-ap.html Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:35:06 GMT AP - American Airlines says a pilot removed from a flight to Mexico passed an alcohol test. Full Article... (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/airlines/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20100902/ap_tr_ge/us_travel_brief_american_airlines_pilot) AP - American Airlines says a pilot removed from a flight to Mexico passed an alcohol test.

Full Article... ]]> Airline News NewsBot http://forums.jetcareers.com/airline-news/114031-american-airlines-pilot-cleared-alcohol-ap.html Looking for a CSIP in Denver http://forums.jetcareers.com/cfi-corner/114028-looking-csip-denver.html Thu, 02 Sep 2010 19:31:05 GMT Hey all, Looks like I will be starting my flight training here soon and was wondering if any of you know of or are a CSIP in the Denver area. Specifically KBJC. I will be training in a privately owned plane so I’m thinking I might need someone not affiliated with a flight school? Any info would be... Hey all,
Looks like I will be starting my flight training here soon and was wondering if any of you know of or are a CSIP in the Denver area. Specifically KBJC. I will be training in a privately owned plane so I’m thinking I might need someone not affiliated with a flight school? Any info would be greatly appreciated. ]]> CFI Corner Brian29 http://forums.jetcareers.com/cfi-corner/114028-looking-csip-denver.html Discount http://forums.jetcareers.com/aviationcareerexpo-com-networkjc-2010/114027-discount.html Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:32:02 GMT It may be too late for this ACE,but I wonder if there is anyway you could work with ALPA to provide a discount for all furloughed ALPA members, like they do with FltOps? Just an idea. It may be too late for this ACE,but I wonder if there is anyway you could work with ALPA to provide a discount for all furloughed ALPA members, like they do with FltOps?

Just an idea. ]]> AviationCareerExpo.com (NetworkJC 2010) SpiraMirabilis http://forums.jetcareers.com/aviationcareerexpo-com-networkjc-2010/114027-discount.html Headline: American Airlines pilot cleared of alcohol (AP) http://forums.jetcareers.com/airline-news/114020-american-airlines-pilot-cleared-alcohol-ap.html Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:35:03 GMT AP - American Airlines says a pilot removed from a flight to Mexico passed an alcohol test. Full Article... (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/airlines/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100902/ap_on_bi_ge/us_american_airlines_pilot) AP - American Airlines says a pilot removed from a flight to Mexico passed an alcohol test.

Full Article... ]]> Airline News NewsBot http://forums.jetcareers.com/airline-news/114020-american-airlines-pilot-cleared-alcohol-ap.html Banner Tow Pilot Killed http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/114016-banner-tow-pilot-killed.html Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:53:45 GMT A plane towing a banner crashed in Iowa this morning, killing the pilot. http://www.kcci.com/news/24853920/detail.html RIP. A plane towing a banner crashed in Iowa this morning, killing the pilot.

http://www.kcci.com/news/24853920/detail.html

RIP. ]]> General Topics Van_Hoolio http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/114016-banner-tow-pilot-killed.html Headline: Auditors See Many Challenges Still Facing LCS http://forums.jetcareers.com/defense-news/114015-auditors-see-many-challenges-still-facing-lcs.html Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:35:04 GMT 'Staying within budget will require the Navy to achieve design stability before beginning construction of future ships.'

More... ]]> Defense News NewsBot http://forums.jetcareers.com/defense-news/114015-auditors-see-many-challenges-still-facing-lcs.html Working Nights http://forums.jetcareers.com/family-life/114013-working-nights.html Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:18:04 GMT So the job I'm starting is going to be a night possition. Flying from Spokane Wa to Portland OR evey night. I think I have a 9 o'clock show time, and I will be getting back by 7am. Sleeping during the day won't be a bid deal (I hope), but what do you do about weekends. Do you stay on the schedule and never spend waking hours with the wife (fiance in my case). Or do most flip flop weekend and work week. I would love some advice from people that have dealt with this. Thanks ]]> Family Life walljer http://forums.jetcareers.com/family-life/114013-working-nights.html