Situation in Brazil

[BCTAv8r]

Originally Posted by willpilot

damn bro hey BCTAv8r... I work 5 mins from the cheesecake factory ..I live in deerfield beach though you probably heard of tivoli !!! lol later man

Yep, right next to Brandsmart.

Shoot me a PM.

[swisspilot]

Originally Posted by BCTAv8r

Thanks Alex. I already have the CPF and ID. A buddy just went there a couple of months and got hired flying a lear. He said the Brazilian medical is a pain in the ass.

Yeah the first time you take the medical it's a pain, it's two days long (use to be 3 days).And there is lots of waiting, usually the place is crowded with FA taking a similar medical. If you have just a little problem they will not give you the medical, they even take a teeth panoramic x-ray!!!

[BCTAv8r]

Originally Posted by swisspilot

Yeah the first time you take the medical it's a pain, it's two days long (use to be 3 days).And there is lots of waiting, usually the place is crowded with FA taking a similar medical. If you have just a little problem they will not give you the medical, they even take a teeth panoramic x-ray!!!

I don't mind sitting around with a bunch of Brazilian FAs.

Do you know if they'll accept eye correction surgery (lasik, etc)?

[MFT1Air]

Originally Posted by BCTAv8r

I don't mind sitting around with a bunch of Brazilian FAs.

Do you know if they'll accept eye correction surgery (lasik, etc)?

Keen minds think alike.

[willpilot]

hey u guys is campinas the main base for azul ... or do they have any other ones

[swisspilot]

Originally Posted by willpilot

hey u guys is campinas the main base for azul ... or do they have any other ones

Only one for now and Curtiba for SOL which is not that great either...

[willpilot]

hey swiss you know any GA airports in Rio de janiero were I can go to start working on the ratings.. I been trying to find info but its so hard to find online info about brazil and surrounding airports.. My family lives in volta Redonda and am trying to find something close to that or I guess I can go to santos dumont or the international one. thanks guy

[swisspilot]

Originally Posted by willpilot

hey swiss you know any GA airports in Rio de janiero were I can go to start working on the ratings.. I been trying to find info but its so hard to find online info about brazil and surrounding airports.. My family lives in volta Redonda and am trying to find something close to that or I guess I can go to santos dumont or the international one. thanks guy

Well there is 3 flight schools that I know in the state of Rio de Janeiro, in Brazil the flying portion of your training it's usually done in an Aeroclube and the ground portion at an other school which usually does not have planes, they just do ground.

For the ground school there is a school at Santos Dumont, I think they also have a plane but I never seen it flying. An other school in Marica Sky something I can't remember now, I will look it up.

For the flight training there is Aeroclube do Brasil, it's on the other side of the mountain ridge south of Rio, there is a bus from Copacabana that goes there http://www.aeroclubedobrasil.com.br/ , you will have also to take your Air law exam there. The flight school I like is in Marica, north of Rio: http://openlink.br.inter.net/marica/ it's in a really nice place and you can stay there in pousada for cheap, fly in the morning and go surfing in the afternoon.

Aircraft rates are a bit expensive in the state of Rio, if you go to Minas Gerais, Parana or Mato Grosso do Sul, rates go down a lot.

For basic training they use this: http://www.aero-boero.com.ar/

For instrument brazilian made pipers, like the turbo arrow, called corsico here.

Twins are expensive and usally pretty old Senecas and C310

[willpilot]

thanks man ..am trying to look into everything so that when the time comes I have everything ready and I know were to go !!! vlw alex

[swisspilot]

Originally Posted by willpilot

thanks man ..am trying to look into everything so that when the time comes I have everything ready and I know were to go !!! vlw alex

No problem, if you are not doing a validation getting all the ratings will take a bit longer than in the USA, in Brazil you need 150TT for a CPL but ground school it's pretty long, CP and IR ground are done together, at S.Dumont class is 5 days a week for 5 months....The PPL training depends on the Aeroclube you choose to go, they use the Jepps books but the exam is in Portuguese.

Btw ANAC is sponsoring training, I think you need to have less then 40 hours and you can apply, they pay for everything it's not a loan.

[ArmandoRT]

I live in Brazil too, i'm work in gol airliners with f/o 737, the market is heated many contracts, purchases of new aircrafts, and it was necessary to lower the minimum requirements to find so many pilots at time! There are rumors of a virgin open a subsidiary in Brazil next year.....

[willpilot]

Originally Posted by swisspilot

No problem, if you are not doing a validation getting all the ratings will take a bit longer than in the USA, in Brazil you need 150TT for a CPL but ground school it's pretty long, CP and IR ground are done together, at S.Dumont class is 5 days a week for 5 months....The PPL training depends on the Aeroclube you choose to go, they use the Jepps books but the exam is in Portuguese.

Btw ANAC is sponsoring training, I think you need to have less then 40 hours and you can apply, they pay for everything it's not a loan.

yea am thinking of doing the validation I guess it would be quicker right .. right now I have 265 tt...

[willpilot]

the other thing is money man so I am thinking of going the conversion route !!

[mike808]

This has been an interesting thread. I was under the impression that the employment situation was pretty bleak as a result of the whole VARIG deal. A friend of mine (ex VARIG) commutes to Korea from Sao Jose dos Campos! I was looking at the AZUL homepage and now here come the questions for those in the know...How long is the upgrade? What is captain pay? And are they pretty strict with the fast track FO times?
I have about 2200 hrs- 1000 in the EMB 145. Wife is Brazilian and we sometimes throw around the idea of moving to Brazil to be closer to her family.
Thanks to whoever responds.

BTW, any bases in Florianopolis (airlines or corporate)?

[willpilot]

a friend of mine that works as a ticket agent for azul said they are opening a base in florianopolis next month I think !! that place is beautiful !!

[BCTAv8r]

Originally Posted by swisspilot

No problem, if you are not doing a validation getting all the ratings will take a bit longer than in the USA, in Brazil you need 150TT for a CPL but ground school it's pretty long, CP and IR ground are done together, at S.Dumont class is 5 days a week for 5 months....The PPL training depends on the Aeroclube you choose to go, they use the Jepps books but the exam is in Portuguese.

With a FAA C-MEL, what amount of training would be needed for an ANAC equivalent? Would a C-MEL/Instrument type checkride suffice (for validation as you put it) along with the required written tests?

[swisspilot]

Originally Posted by BCTAv8r

With a FAA C-MEL, what amount of training would be needed for an ANAC equivalent? Would a C-MEL/Instrument type checkride suffice (for validation as you put it) along with the required written tests?

Yes, and you will also have a C-SE on the Brazil license, with no need to take a ride in a SE, here if you hold a AMEL you have ASEL too. There is no min hours, you just need to hold an ICAO CPL for a validation, well anyway time requirements in Brazil are a lot lower, the training is far from the FAA standards. It's funny that for a validation you need to take an english proficiency test, but the local pilots english is pretty bad and they speak porto all the time, go on ATC live, I think they have Recife and couple other airports, English is as rare as somebody declaring an emergency. But I like the fact that pretty much everywhere you go they do the PPL in a tailwheel airplane, multi engine here is just a rating most fresh CPL have really few hours in it.

[swisspilot]

Originally Posted by mike808

This has been an interesting thread. I was under the impression that the employment situation was pretty bleak as a result of the whole VARIG deal. A friend of mine (ex VARIG) commutes to Korea from Sao Jose dos Campos! I was looking at the AZUL homepage and now here come the questions for those in the know...How long is the upgrade? What is captain pay? And are they pretty strict with the fast track FO times?
I have about 2200 hrs- 1000 in the EMB 145. Wife is Brazilian and we sometimes throw around the idea of moving to Brazil to be closer to her family.
Thanks to whoever responds.

BTW, any bases in Florianopolis (airlines or corporate)?

Hi mike are you swiss? I'm from Lugano.

You will need to get a Brazilian License before you can apply anywhere, I don't know if this can be done in Florianopolis.

With your times you should stay in Europe or the US, I mean Brazil is beautiful but pilots pay is pretty low, and you will get the same pay as a 200TT fresh CPL guy and start as an FO.

and btw there is not many EMB145 flying here.

You can't choose your base, but you can commute pretty easy I think.

My gfs dad was a VARIG capt too, he also left for Korea.

[BCTAv8r]

Originally Posted by swisspilot

Yes, and you will also have a C-SE on the Brazil license, with no need to take a ride in a SE, here if you hold a AMEL you have ASEL too. There is no min hours, you just need to hold an ICAO CPL for a validation, well anyway time requirements in Brazil are a lot lower, the training is far from the FAA standards. It's funny that for a validation you need to take an english proficiency test, but the local pilots english is pretty bad and they speak porto all the time, go on ATC live, I think they have Recife and couple other airports, English is as rare as somebody declaring an emergency. But I like the fact that pretty much everywhere you go they do the PPL in a tailwheel airplane, multi engine here is just a rating most fresh CPL have really few hours in it.

That's very tempting. Thanks for the info.

[TheAlchemist]

Hello,

Has anyone taken the regulaments written exam yet? I will be trying to transfer my ATP FAA to PLA ANAC and would like to know how hard that written is. Also, does anyone know how long you have to wait to take the written? Can I take it right after I turn all my paperwork/docs in or do I have to wait for until after the faa confirms to anac that I hold an ATP FAA license?

Thank you

[swisspilot]

Originally Posted by TheAlchemist

Hello,

Has anyone taken the regulaments written exam yet? I will be trying to transfer my ATP FAA to PLA ANAC and would like to know how hard that written is. Also, does anyone know how long you have to wait to take the written? Can I take it right after I turn all my paperwork/docs in or do I have to wait for until after the faa confirms to anac that I hold an ATP FAA license?

Thank you

It's pretty easy if you understand porto, you can get a book online to study it's 20 questions, you don't need to be done with the application to take the test but you will have to be a resident.
To take it you just show up there, for the Rio area the test is at the Jacarepagua airport near the aeroclube do Brasil, you will have to take the flight test there, it's the only place with an affordable plane an old Seneca, other then that there is only an other option in the State of Rio, a C310 in marica (it goes for 700 dollars/hour). An other good place is in Juiz da Fora, but it's in Minas Gerais, they have a nice Twin Comanche....4 hours drive from Rio.

FAA is not even gonna know that you are getting an other license.

All the hours in your logbook that you used to get ratings in the US will have to be authenticated by the flight school/fbo where you did them, you just need a piece of paper with the hours signed by somebody. I kept a copy of all my 8710. After that you need to start a new brazilian logbook and copy all the hours on it.

I'm pretty sure that you can find different ways to do things by ANAC depending where you go, this is how it works in Rio.

[willpilot]

I actually did flight training in 3 different places does that mean I have to go back to each of those schools and get a signed letter. I was wondering if the place am going to now could sign off for all my hours. I already have all my ratings..

[mike808]

Originally Posted by swisspilot

Hi mike are you swiss? I'm from Lugano.

You will need to get a Brazilian License before you can apply anywhere, I don't know if this can be done in Florianopolis.

With your times you should stay in Europe or the US, I mean Brazil is beautiful but pilots pay is pretty low, and you will get the same pay as a 200TT fresh CPL guy and start as an FO.

and btw there is not many EMB145 flying here.

You can't choose your base, but you can commute pretty easy I think.

My gfs dad was a VARIG capt too, he also left for Korea.

No, I am not Swiss. I just work in Zurich. My wife and I are almost debt free and we are thinking about trying to start a family sometime in the next 3-5 years. Florianopolis is the place we both see it happening. Pay is all relative, Nao e? So even though it doesnt pay as good as Europe or the US it doesnt really matter to me. I commuted for 2 years and I am over that, so I guess what I am really looking for is a private operation (maybe a Legacy) or an airline based from Floripa so I can fly day trips, surf in the morning, raise my son or daughter, and be at home with my wife most nights. Not too picky huh? . I know this dream doesnt really exist anymore, at least for me since Aloha airlines went out of business, but dreams are good to put in the back of the mind and indulge in every once in while. I'll leave sacrificing to you guys. Anyways back to reality (and a pretty damn good one, might I say). Safe flying.

[TheAlchemist]

Originally Posted by swisspilot

It's pretty easy if you understand porto, you can get a book online to study it's 20 questions, you don't need to be done with the application to take the test but you will have to be a resident.
To take it you just show up there, for the Rio area the test is at the Jacarepagua airport near the aeroclube do Brasil, you will have to take the flight test there, it's the only place with an affordable plane an old Seneca, other then that there is only an other option in the State of Rio, a C310 in marica (it goes for 700 dollars/hour). An other good place is in Juiz da Fora, but it's in Minas Gerais, they have a nice Twin Comanche....4 hours drive from Rio.

FAA is not even gonna know that you are getting an other license.

All the hours in your logbook that you used to get ratings in the US will have to be authenticated by the flight school/fbo where you did them, you just need a piece of paper with the hours signed by somebody. I kept a copy of all my 8710. After that you need to start a new brazilian logbook and copy all the hours on it.

I'm pretty sure that you can find different ways to do things by ANAC depending where you go, this is how it works in Rio.

Thank you for the info Swisspilot.

I was under the impression that since ANAC will only validate one's hours with authenticated proof (will my last ATP-8710 alone do it?) the best route would be to transfer my FAA license. I know that if you're transferring a license there's no need for authenticated proof of flown hours, which would be a pain in the @ss to get proof of all my flying time at this point. Unless they accept my last 8710 as proof of my hours.

And yes I know portuguese...trying to get back home.

[swisspilot]

Originally Posted by TheAlchemist

Thank you for the info Swisspilot.

I was under the impression that since ANAC will only validate one's hours with authenticated proof (will my last ATP-8710 alone do it?) the best route would be to transfer my FAA license. I know that if you're transferring a license there's no need for authenticated proof of flown hours, which would be a pain in the @ss to get proof of all my flying time at this point. Unless they accept my last 8710 as proof of my hours.

And yes I know portuguese...trying to get back home.

I have to FIX something, you will need to show your ANAC protocol number when sitting for the Air Law exam. I called ANAC, and they said they actually got in touch with the FAA.

I think your last 8710 will do it. You can also get a proof of your hours, based on your last 8710 at your local FSDO, like the report you need in case you loose your logbook, you can even get your logbook signed by them.

What you mean by transferring your license?