800 TT, looking for work, Africa, Mid-East, Asia

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by planestupid

Seems kinda one-wayish to me. Show me yours and THEN I'll show you mine? It always falls on the new guy doesn't it.

That's how it is. Why should I refer someone for a job that I don't know? If he turns out to be an ass or not know what he's doing, it's my credibility that's shot.

Fact is, we get a LOT of guys on here that say they're one thing, then they turn out to be something totally different. If you had said "Hey, these are my times, and this is what I've been doing. Anyone know any jobs in XXX area?" rather than "These are my times, I need a job" I'm 100% sure this thread would have been WAAAY different.

With your times I know I wasn't sure if you had bought the time or just happened to have legit connections that netted you a job in a jet at 300TT. Personally opinion of mine that I DON'T recommend people that bought their way into a job simply b/c it shows they'll pretty much do anything to get ahead. The people I've had experience with that have that mentality tend to have poor work ethics, which is a huge pet peeve of mine.

[TheresaPilot]

planestupid, you just have to think of it this way--would you offer someone who needed a job one out of the blue without knowing anything about him or her? Yes, I would definately offer people information if I had any to give, but I would be more apt to give it to someone I knew a little better if it came down to a couple people and only one position. I don't think asking a little bit about you is too much to ask before people are willing to shell out more information about a position. CRJDriver has sooo many jobs posted on this website, maybe something will pop up for you. GL.

[TheresaPilot]

Originally Posted by kellwolf

Why should I refer someone for a job that I don't know? If he turns out to be an ass or not know what he's doing, it's my credibility that's shot.

That too.

[granlistillo]

Originally Posted by planestupid

I'm looking for something overseas: Africa, Mid-East, Asia.
I have about the following (basic and brief) times:

800 TT
500 Multi Jet
Hold 1 turbojet type rating, no SOE

There are a couple gigs in LDCs that will hire a CRJ or ATR SIC typed person with 500 in type (coming from a 121 type op).

I just don't see any opportunities out there now for your times in this environment. A lot of guys on the street with a lot more experience, and fewer jobs to boot. Congratulations on your jet time, that will benefit you in the future no doubt. Maybe the CFI route may be the thing to do now?

[CRJDriver]

Originally Posted by granlistillo

There are a couple gigs in LDCs that will hire a CRJ or ATR SIC typed person with 500 in type (coming from a 121 type op).

I think he said he had no 121 background. Like I mentioned already, we really can't give you any information unless you give us a little background on the aircraft experience you have. If you don't have time in a CRJ/ERJ/Q, then you might be a little limited in finding a job overseas. There are some operators in India, Europe, etc. that fly Citations, some of them require JAA and some of them don't. But like I said, I don't know what your experience is in?!

[TXaviator]

wow the attitude against this new guy is outright embarassing. i actually caught the EXACT same treatment over on another board when i TRIED to introduce myself and instead got criticized for announcing i was mobile and able to relocate. how stupid.

what happened to people being able to pass along leads or help someone out, just for the sake of helping someone out?

why does this new guy have to pass YOUR quality test first? the holier-than-thou thing is not a good look.

[ProudPilot]

I second that, part of the forum is being anonymous. Yeah, you get to know their ego and perceived views online, but not the person.

Look in the jobs available section. Right now as the US economy is down, the whole world also got sucked into it. A lot of start ups in foreign countries shut down when their passengers left town.

Also, a lot of countries where you used to be able to find quick work are now keeping expatriates out as they train their own pilots. For the moment, there's a lot of training, and not a lot of revenue flying around the world.

In another year or two I would say you might have some options, but until at least after new years it's going to be thin. If you know someone you might get a job... MIGHT. This is a good time to find any old job and make some cash while you wait or go back to school.

Personally I'm changing to ATC and going to get my BS in Aeronautical Engineering... it'll still keep my flying.

Good Luck.

[granlistillo]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

wow the attitude against this new guy is outright embarassing. i actually caught the EXACT same treatment over on another board when i TRIED to introduce myself and instead got criticized for announcing i was mobile and able to relocate. how stupid.

what happened to people being able to pass along leads or help someone out, just for the sake of helping someone out?

why does this new guy have to pass YOUR quality test first? the holier-than-thou thing is not a good look.

I think posting those flight times will get provoke a diatribe from several folks on here. It is really easy to lose your manners on the internets... Whenever I hear SJS I roll my eyes, usually a lot of hypocrisy there.

[TXaviator]

Originally Posted by granlistillo

I think posting those flight times will get provoke a diatribe from several folks on here. It is really easy to lose your manners on the internets... Whenever I hear SJS I roll my eyes, usually a lot of hypocrisy there.

sweet well my 700TT of C172 time is super desireable then! 600PIC too!!

[planestupid]

Originally Posted by CRJDriver

I think he said he had no 121 background. Like I mentioned already, we really can't give you any information unless you give us a little background on the aircraft experience you have. If you don't have time in a CRJ/ERJ/Q, then you might be a little limited in finding a job overseas. There are some operators in India, Europe, etc. that fly Citations, some of them require JAA and some of them don't. But like I said, I don't know what your experience is in?!

Looks like, simply put, that the industry has changed over to hiring type ratings and not hiring the right candidate. That's okay I guess for now because with so many pilots looking for work, it's become an employer's market.

I have time in the 500 and 650 series citations, as well as some IAI 1125 and 1124. (did a bit of contract stuff there for a while).

But please understand one reason I don't get too specific is because I learned a lesson about letting people know too much about what you're doing. Not knowing who circles these forums, I don't want to divulge a whole lot. I would like to preserve a bit of anonymity you know? I have done a couple of local interviews (haven't heard squat) and still do the occasional contract, and I fear if word gets around I'm looking to go overseas, the few opportunities I may have here will shut the door on me.

With the right ammount of information, it's not very hard for people to connect the dots.

Getting 'blacklisted' is not something I'm striving for, but I fear it because I've seen it happen.

Other than that, thanks for the insight everyone. Perhaps once you get to know my demeanor you might actually come to like me

[flyTotheSky]

In India for example, business aviation is really starting to boom. Trouble is they can't find enough experienced flight crews...

Unfortunately, all of the operators hire experienced PICs/IPs exclusively for that very reason. Most set mins are an ATP and 100 PIC on type. From what I've been told, you will only see Indian nationals as SICs. Rarely if ever will they hire an expat SIC...reasons being is they are trying to train their own ranks of pilots...which they have...but are in need of training from a seasoned pro. That's where the expats come in.

Here is a blog about flying in Inida I found pretty helpful...

https://sites.google.com/site/captai...log/for-pilots

[planestupid]

Thanks Flyto!

I'll check that out. It's really looking though like I may just go back to school. Do something in technology this time around. Wait till this thing turns around and improves some.

Heck, I may even go the CFI route, but man the expenditure to get there :/

Hmph, gonna have to really give this some thought. And to think I passed on a regional offer a while back. That's okay, I probably would have wound-up right here anyway. HAHAHA

Thanks everyone!

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by planestupid

Looks like, simply put, that the industry has changed over to hiring type ratings and not hiring the right candidate. That's okay I guess for now because with so many pilots looking for work, it's become an employer's market.

Actually, I'd say it's more of an insurance driven market. With the economy the way it is, I don't fault insurance companies for putting strict requirements on the assets their protecting. If the insurance company makes a type rating a requirement for underwriting, well, there's not much the company can do about it.

[ChasenSFO]

Originally Posted by planestupid

But please understand one reason I don't get too specific is because I learned a lesson about letting people know too much about what you're doing. Not knowing who circles these forums, I don't want to divulge a whole lot. I would like to preserve a bit of anonymity you know? I have done a couple of local interviews (haven't heard squat) and still do the occasional contract, and I fear if word gets around I'm looking to go overseas, the few opportunities I may have here will shut the door on me.

Seems like a good enough reason to me. Commence the goat sacrifice.

[Zero1Niner]

Originally Posted by flyingmaniac

Well how about for Post #1
"Hello JC members my name is _________. My story is _________.

Common courtesy someone introduces themself with a hand shake.

Way to bash a new guy. Hardly seems necessary. I didnt realize there was an established courtesy protocol that needed to be adhered to. Cut the guy some slack. We are all in this together. Cant we all just get along?

[Stone Cold]

I don't know if it's been mentioned, as there was a lot of fluff there, but on here some place under Expat aviation there are some good to know web sites. Also, the one that every once in a while comes through for low timers is ACASS. I believe their site is acass.ca, but not sure. Just do a google search for them. As has been mentioned, there are a ton of experienced guys and gals on the street right now, so I wish you the best of luck. Just remember, aviation is a small world. International contract pilot aviation is 1/100th or so of aviation. Don't low-ball us out there doing the work to get work!!

Good luck in the job search!!

[planestupid]

Thanks guys once again for the replies.

It is such a complicated issue being low time is it not? I certainly would not want to undermine the integrity or experience of those who have more time than I. But I'd like the chance to get my foot in the door as well. Not really knowing what the pay is like out there, I really would not know what to expect, or what I should even ask for (if asked about pay) if interviewed for a job. My only experience has been the opportunity to review someone else's contract on a Hawker 800 @ 120k annual flying in the middle east. So, any tips or advice I certainly do appreciate. If anyone is looking to mentor a pilot, well, I'd enjoy the counsel of those in the know.

Thanks again fellas. I'll continue to keep a look out.

[splash]

Originally Posted by planestupid

I recently watched a guy lose his job because another guy didn't like him. The dude stabbed him in the back. Why would anybody do that?

Lol, where do I know you from?

[JustinA]

Originally Posted by TXaviator

wow the attitude against this new guy is outright embarassing. i actually caught the EXACT same treatment over on another board when i TRIED to introduce myself and instead got criticized for announcing i was mobile and able to relocate. how stupid.

what happened to people being able to pass along leads or help someone out, just for the sake of helping someone out?

why does this new guy have to pass YOUR quality test first? the holier-than-thou thing is not a good look.

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