CAPT program

sigmanu499 · September 29th, 2003, 03:08

Does anyone know about this program?
CAPT program at ERAU
this may be the same as the other ERAU program that was talked about, but under a different name. From what I read it looks cool, but still really expensive.

chris6387 · September 29th, 2003, 19:34

Very expensive indeed, and there are no guarantee's... then again, there aren't any "guarantee's" anywhere in aviation.

odornd2 · October 20th, 2003, 23:26

CAPT now has it's own discussion board. Check it out @ http://discussions.erau.edu/

RiddlePilot · October 21st, 2003, 01:02

Hardcore. Sounds kinda like what Riddle normally does, just really compressed. 5 training flights a week for 10 months would wear out anyone.

flyn_ace_99 · November 5th, 2003, 21:34

Ah... looks like another Daytona Beach specific program. 1 school 2 campus' my a$$.

Also looks like they are shoveling more BS than when I started at Prescott. And boy did they shovel a lot then!

Marilyn

AJM · February 13th, 2004, 07:40

For more information on CAPT do a seach on MSN.COM for " embry riddle CAPT "

FalconCapt · February 13th, 2004, 11:02

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Also looks like they are shoveling more BS than when I started at Prescott. And boy did they shovel a lot then!

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Oh Brother...

Doug Taylor · February 13th, 2004, 12:26

The sad part is that ERAU is competing with other schools that claim the absolute "monopoly" on 'accelerated programs'.

Potential students read the magazine ads and favorably respond to the 'fly here today, fly an RJ tomorrow' so they're trying to pay the bills with CAPT.

I don't like how the program sounds, but you've got to blame people that crack open Flying magazine, see a glossy ad and smash open the trust fund kitty.

SteveC · February 13th, 2004, 12:31

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I don't like how the program sounds, but you've got to blame people that crack open Flying magazine, see a glossy ad and smash open the trust fund kitty.

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And it's not like they're typically stupid or lazy. They just don't know any better. Someone really should start a website to edumacate them people.....

lazydogg · February 13th, 2004, 13:49

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I don't like how the program sounds.

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I recently applied to the CAPT program...What don't you like about it?

NC_BE300 · February 13th, 2004, 15:26

What catches your eye on the add for CAPT is the first officer flying a next generation 737. They have now moved the Katanas onto the ramp with the Cessna 172 fleet here at Daytona.

AJM · February 13th, 2004, 20:28

The glass cockpit is really the EFD of an MD-90 that used to be the Saudi Arabia trainer at Boeing not a 737. Saudi Arabia owns all 29 EFD MD-90's ever built.

As far as a site that warns people try www.captiscrap.com

AJM · February 22nd, 2004, 17:30

Just saw this post @ flightinfo .com

Quote: DKM
Embry Riddle CAPT has updated their site making changes to many of the FAQ’s www.captiscrap.com pointed out as being false. Looks like the truth is coming out.

I can’t believe Embry Riddle’s Board allows the CAPT leadership to run this program like this. Surely they must be embarrassed with the Universities overall reputation on the line.

jonnyb · February 22nd, 2004, 20:51

Wow, if the information on that "captiscrap" site is true,,,,,,,,here we go again is right.

What a joke. An MD-90 type for $65K? Give me a break. To all you perspective CAPTers, I would be careful if I were you. I don't know,,,,,here's an idea: How bout you get your flight instructor certificates, gain experience, build time and save your money. I don't know, just a thought.

MikeD · February 22nd, 2004, 22:01

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Wow, if the information on that "captiscrap" site is true,,,,,,,,here we go again is right.

What a joke. An MD-90 type for $65K? Give me a break. To all you perspective CAPTers, I would be careful if I were you. I don't know,,,,,here's an idea: How bout you get your flight instructor certificates, gain experience, build time and save your money. I don't know, just a thought.

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$65K for an MD-90 type? I thought you can get a 737 type for about $9K.......

As a Riddle grad, these are some of the ideas they come up that really make me not push the school on prospective studs.

It's to the same tune of the PanAm program where you train in an RJ following your CFI and your grand 240TT.

mpenguin1 · February 23rd, 2004, 17:03

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$65K for an MD-90 type? I thought you can get a 737 type for about $9K.......

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Actually, you can get a 737 type rating for about $7,000, but you are talking about training in a 737-200 or 737-300, not exactly a state of the art device. PLUS, there are certain Prerequisites that may not qualifty you to take the course.

I think that some of the students going through on the MD90 program, may not qualify for the 737 type rating program.

jonnyb · February 23rd, 2004, 20:40

Yeah, and not to mention, those 250 hour pilots need a type rating like they need a hole in their head.

Very lame in my opinion.

mtsu_av8er · February 24th, 2004, 01:27

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. . . you can get a 737 type rating for about $7,000, but you are talking about training in a 737-200 or 737-300, not exactly a state of the art device.

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As long as it says "B737" on it, I don't care if it has Lycoming engines on the wings....

mpenguin1 · February 24th, 2004, 09:15

Oh boy, I hope that I did not come off as a defender of the Embry Riddle program, far from it, I was just commenting on the training the students receive. According to the Embry Riddle website, there are two programs:

http://www.erau.edu/omni/sp/dbcapt/integrated.html

First Officer Training Program:
Ab initio to First Officer $65,500
Experienced Pilot to First Officer* $36,500

The Ab initio program is 10 months long according to the website, the $7000 type rating programs at Higher Power & K&S Aviation are about 80 hours of homestudy & about two weeks of training.

If a student is qualified to take the 737 course & pass it, they would be nuts not to.

I just don't see how you can compare the two programs, completely different.

Now with the 737 or a MD90 type rating in your hand, neither one is a guarantee for a job, you still need the hours.

AJM · February 28th, 2004, 07:27

Dunno on the CAPT discussion board brings up a good point about regular ERAU students and possibly Alumni’s money.

http://discussions.erau.edu/cgi-bin/...act=ST;f=1;t=7

Are all ERAU students contributing to the CAPT budget with their tuition without access to the resources?

ERJ-135 · March 2nd, 2004, 07:36

You can receive the Type Rating in the 737-200 for even a cheaper price. Go to www.fti737.com for information. The CAPT. program is not going to get you to the airlines any sooner. Ask them for a contract that guarantees a partial refund or course price for not getting a pilot position with an airline, after you graduate. It ain’t gonna happen.

Course Includes: 80 Hrs Home Study
40 Hrs Ground Instruction
24 Hrs Full Motion B737 Simulator
2.0 Hrs Simulator Checkride
Set of Training Manuals

Tuition: *$5,995
*Call for details

AJM · March 2nd, 2004, 19:08

ACA’s Director of Operation talks to CAPT students and says he looks forward to hiring CAPT grads in … 2006.

The current students must be ecstatic.

NC_BE300 · March 3rd, 2004, 21:27

The reason ACA told them 2006 is because that is when they are projected to be hiring pilots again from many different areas (from the street, interns, etc). ACA reps came to campus and spoke to us about the ACA bridge program (NOT CAPT), they said that 25% of their newhires will be from the bridge pool, while the other 75% will be from others with higher flight times than those in the ACA bridge pool.

CLR4ILS · March 16th, 2004, 23:51

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Potential students read the magazine ads and favorably respond to the 'fly here today, fly an RJ tomorrow'

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Almost like Westwinds ad in Flying that says "Airlines Rebound". They show two pilots in a sim they do not have. They do not even use a sim in their program. Misleading???

...ILS

InsidetheSky · April 6th, 2004, 21:48

From the CAPT web site:

MILESTONE: CAPT PROGRAM STUDENT EARNS MD-90 RATING
500-Hour Pilot Is First Student To Do So.

Daytona Beach, Fla., March 31, 2004 - The Commercial Airline Pilot Training Program is pleased to announce that Captain Wade Wallace, a member of the first Experienced Pilot class, has become the first student of the program to earn his Boeing MD-90 EFD type rating. Captain Wallace, who joined the program in October 2003, flew nearly flawlessly during the 4 1/2 hour checkride. Furthermore, because it was his first type-rating, he performed under the "no waiveable items" standard of the FAA's Practical Test Standards. The type-rating also represents a milestone for Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University as the first turbo-jet type-rating issued by an ERAU Program.

Gary Morrison, program manager for the MD-90, veteran airline captain and check airman, said, when asked about Captain Wallace's performance, "this is truly a watershed event in the history of Embry-Riddle and aviation training. Captain Wallace demonstrated to the FAA's satisfaction that a 500-hour pilot is capable of the command judgement necessary for an Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate."

Captain Wallace's type-rating on his Commercial Pilot License (CPL) will automatically transfer to an ATP when he acquires the prerequisite hours.

http://www.erau.edu/omni/sp/dbcapt/news.html

September 29th, 2003, 03:08	#1
sigmanu499 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 232	CAPT program Does anyone know about this program? CAPT program at ERAU this may be the same as the other ERAU program that was talked about, but under a different name. From what I read it looks cool, but still really expensive.

September 29th, 2003, 19:34	#2
chris6387 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 687	Re: CAPT program Very expensive indeed, and there are no guarantee's... then again, there aren't any "guarantee's" anywhere in aviation.

October 20th, 2003, 23:26	#3
odornd2 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1	Re: CAPT program CAPT now has it's own discussion board. Check it out @ http://discussions.erau.edu/

October 21st, 2003, 01:02	#4
RiddlePilot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Prescott, AZ Posts: 928	Re: CAPT program Hardcore. Sounds kinda like what Riddle normally does, just really compressed. 5 training flights a week for 10 months would wear out anyone.

November 5th, 2003, 21:34	#5
flyn_ace_99 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: not apparently in this universe Posts: 248	Re: CAPT program Ah... looks like another Daytona Beach specific program. 1 school 2 campus' my a$$. Also looks like they are shoveling more BS than when I started at Prescott. And boy did they shovel a lot then! Marilyn

February 13th, 2004, 07:40	#6
AJM Newbie Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 29	Re: CAPT program For more information on CAPT do a seach on MSN.COM for " embry riddle CAPT "

February 13th, 2004, 11:02	#7
FalconCapt Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 489	Re: CAPT program [ QUOTE ] Also looks like they are shoveling more BS than when I started at Prescott. And boy did they shovel a lot then! [/ QUOTE ] Oh Brother...

February 13th, 2004, 12:26	#8
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,927 Blog Entries: 1	Re: CAPT program The sad part is that ERAU is competing with other schools that claim the absolute "monopoly" on 'accelerated programs'. Potential students read the magazine ads and favorably respond to the 'fly here today, fly an RJ tomorrow' so they're trying to pay the bills with CAPT. I don't like how the program sounds, but you've got to blame people that crack open Flying magazine, see a glossy ad and smash open the trust fund kitty.

February 13th, 2004, 12:31	#9
SteveC Modulator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR Posts: 8,788	Re: CAPT program [ QUOTE ] I don't like how the program sounds, but you've got to blame people that crack open Flying magazine, see a glossy ad and smash open the trust fund kitty. [/ QUOTE ] And it's not like they're typically stupid or lazy. They just don't know any better. Someone really should start a website to edumacate them people.....

February 13th, 2004, 13:49	#10
lazydogg Newbie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 28	Re: CAPT program [ QUOTE ] I don't like how the program sounds. [/ QUOTE ] I recently applied to the CAPT program...What don't you like about it?

February 13th, 2004, 15:26	#11
NC_BE300 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: JFK Posts: 435	Re: CAPT program What catches your eye on the add for CAPT is the first officer flying a next generation 737. They have now moved the Katanas onto the ramp with the Cessna 172 fleet here at Daytona.

February 13th, 2004, 20:28	#12
AJM Newbie Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 29	Re: CAPT program The glass cockpit is really the EFD of an MD-90 that used to be the Saudi Arabia trainer at Boeing not a 737. Saudi Arabia owns all 29 EFD MD-90's ever built. As far as a site that warns people try www.captiscrap.com

February 22nd, 2004, 17:30	#13
AJM Newbie Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 29	Re: CAPT program Just saw this post @ flightinfo .com Quote: DKM Embry Riddle CAPT has updated their site making changes to many of the FAQ’s www.captiscrap.com pointed out as being false. Looks like the truth is coming out. I can’t believe Embry Riddle’s Board allows the CAPT leadership to run this program like this. Surely they must be embarrassed with the Universities overall reputation on the line.

February 22nd, 2004, 20:51	#14
jonnyb Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: So. California Posts: 1,304	Re: CAPT program Wow, if the information on that "captiscrap" site is true,,,,,,,,here we go again is right. What a joke. An MD-90 type for $65K? Give me a break. To all you perspective CAPTers, I would be careful if I were you. I don't know,,,,,here's an idea: How bout you get your flight instructor certificates, gain experience, build time and save your money. I don't know, just a thought.

February 22nd, 2004, 22:01	#15
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: CAPT program [ QUOTE ] Wow, if the information on that "captiscrap" site is true,,,,,,,,here we go again is right. What a joke. An MD-90 type for $65K? Give me a break. To all you perspective CAPTers, I would be careful if I were you. I don't know,,,,,here's an idea: How bout you get your flight instructor certificates, gain experience, build time and save your money. I don't know, just a thought. [/ QUOTE ] $65K for an MD-90 type? I thought you can get a 737 type for about $9K....... As a Riddle grad, these are some of the ideas they come up that really make me not push the school on prospective studs. It's to the same tune of the PanAm program where you train in an RJ following your CFI and your grand 240TT.

February 23rd, 2004, 17:03	#16
mpenguin1 Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 10,579 Blog Entries: 5	Re: CAPT program [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] $65K for an MD-90 type? I thought you can get a 737 type for about $9K....... [/ QUOTE ] Actually, you can get a 737 type rating for about $7,000, but you are talking about training in a 737-200 or 737-300, not exactly a state of the art device. PLUS, there are certain Prerequisites that may not qualifty you to take the course. I think that some of the students going through on the MD90 program, may not qualify for the 737 type rating program.

February 23rd, 2004, 20:40	#17
jonnyb Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: So. California Posts: 1,304	Re: CAPT program Yeah, and not to mention, those 250 hour pilots need a type rating like they need a hole in their head. Very lame in my opinion.

February 24th, 2004, 01:27	#18
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,590	Re: CAPT program [ QUOTE ] . . . you can get a 737 type rating for about $7,000, but you are talking about training in a 737-200 or 737-300, not exactly a state of the art device. [/ QUOTE ] As long as it says "B737" on it, I don't care if it has Lycoming engines on the wings....

February 24th, 2004, 09:15	#19
mpenguin1 Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 10,579 Blog Entries: 5	Re: CAPT program Oh boy, I hope that I did not come off as a defender of the Embry Riddle program, far from it, I was just commenting on the training the students receive. According to the Embry Riddle website, there are two programs: http://www.erau.edu/omni/sp/dbcapt/integrated.html First Officer Training Program: Ab initio to First Officer $65,500 Experienced Pilot to First Officer* $36,500 The Ab initio program is 10 months long according to the website, the $7000 type rating programs at Higher Power & K&S Aviation are about 80 hours of homestudy & about two weeks of training. If a student is qualified to take the 737 course & pass it, they would be nuts not to. I just don't see how you can compare the two programs, completely different. Now with the 737 or a MD90 type rating in your hand, neither one is a guarantee for a job, you still need the hours.

February 28th, 2004, 07:27	#20
AJM Newbie Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 29	Re: CAPT program Dunno on the CAPT discussion board brings up a good point about regular ERAU students and possibly Alumni’s money. http://discussions.erau.edu/cgi-bin/...act=ST;f=1;t=7 Are all ERAU students contributing to the CAPT budget with their tuition without access to the resources?

March 2nd, 2004, 07:36	#21
ERJ-135 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: USA Posts: 277	Re: CAPT program You can receive the Type Rating in the 737-200 for even a cheaper price. Go to www.fti737.com for information. The CAPT. program is not going to get you to the airlines any sooner. Ask them for a contract that guarantees a partial refund or course price for not getting a pilot position with an airline, after you graduate. It ain’t gonna happen. Course Includes: 80 Hrs Home Study 40 Hrs Ground Instruction 24 Hrs Full Motion B737 Simulator 2.0 Hrs Simulator Checkride Set of Training Manuals Tuition: $5,995 Call for details

March 2nd, 2004, 19:08	#22
AJM Newbie Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 29	Re: CAPT program ACA’s Director of Operation talks to CAPT students and says he looks forward to hiring CAPT grads in … 2006. The current students must be ecstatic.

March 3rd, 2004, 21:27	#23
NC_BE300 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: JFK Posts: 435	Re: CAPT program The reason ACA told them 2006 is because that is when they are projected to be hiring pilots again from many different areas (from the street, interns, etc). ACA reps came to campus and spoke to us about the ACA bridge program (NOT CAPT), they said that 25% of their newhires will be from the bridge pool, while the other 75% will be from others with higher flight times than those in the ACA bridge pool.

March 16th, 2004, 23:51	#24
CLR4ILS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 581	Re: CAPT program [ QUOTE ] Potential students read the magazine ads and favorably respond to the 'fly here today, fly an RJ tomorrow' [/ QUOTE ] Almost like Westwinds ad in Flying that says "Airlines Rebound". They show two pilots in a sim they do not have. They do not even use a sim in their program. Misleading??? ...ILS

April 6th, 2004, 21:48	#25
InsidetheSky Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2	Re: CAPT program From the CAPT web site: MILESTONE: CAPT PROGRAM STUDENT EARNS MD-90 RATING 500-Hour Pilot Is First Student To Do So. Daytona Beach, Fla., March 31, 2004 - The Commercial Airline Pilot Training Program is pleased to announce that Captain Wade Wallace, a member of the first Experienced Pilot class, has become the first student of the program to earn his Boeing MD-90 EFD type rating. Captain Wallace, who joined the program in October 2003, flew nearly flawlessly during the 4 1/2 hour checkride. Furthermore, because it was his first type-rating, he performed under the "no waiveable items" standard of the FAA's Practical Test Standards. The type-rating also represents a milestone for Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University as the first turbo-jet type-rating issued by an ERAU Program. Gary Morrison, program manager for the MD-90, veteran airline captain and check airman, said, when asked about Captain Wallace's performance, "this is truly a watershed event in the history of Embry-Riddle and aviation training. Captain Wallace demonstrated to the FAA's satisfaction that a 500-hour pilot is capable of the command judgement necessary for an Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate." Captain Wallace's type-rating on his Commercial Pilot License (CPL) will automatically transfer to an ATP when he acquires the prerequisite hours. http://www.erau.edu/omni/sp/dbcapt/news.html

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