Run like he** away from aviation! - Page 3

FlYemHI · August 31st, 2006, 17:16

If we werent on a forum website, you would no what I would have to say about michigan? **** Michigan! haha!

SteveC · August 31st, 2006, 19:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlYemHI

If we werent on a forum website, you would no what I would have to say about michigan? **** Michigan! haha!

In Michigan we know how to use the word "know" in that sentence.

Fly_Unity · September 3rd, 2006, 11:58

Almost everywhere I go, people ask me what in the world am I getting an aviation degree for... well, for me who dont really like to study, the aviation degree is the most funnest, which makes studying a little easier, second, I dont need to worry about a job if the aviation industry falls, I can go right now and make $50.00 an hour doing construction, (been doing it for 10 years). or if I want an easy lifestyle I can play banjo at a studio. I get job offers like every month in non aviation fields, yet I turn them down because I like flying, and the Aviation degree is probably the most easiest and funnest for me.

boeing 777-300 · September 4th, 2006, 02:30

Quote:

most funnest

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats a double positive!

sorry i couldnt resist.

Fly_Unity · September 4th, 2006, 11:39

Its normal for somone to make fun of my english, Point taken. hehe

mikecweb · September 6th, 2006, 18:43

The guy is right.
Period end of sentence.
As of right now I like my job. I can't imagine doing anything else. Is my QOL good? No. Do I have over 100k in loans? Yeah. But my other friends may have more money in their pockets but if there was a forum for car sales men, aerospace engineers, or real estate agents I'm sure there would be bitching and complaining on there too. I couldn't work 9-5. Am I going to look back at my decisions from after high school as a mistake? Maybe or maybe not. I can tell you right now I don't get a hardon for major airline cockpits. Even if it was aviation in the "Glory Days" I wouldn't want that. I like flying something different. I'm damn proud of the fact that I don't fly for company that my neighbors have heard of. If I ever do get out of overnight freight who knows where I'll go. Maybe floatplanes. Maybe bush flying. Maybe back to flight instructing. Who the heck knows. I can tell you right now I can't/won't discourage a newcomer to aviation from continueing. I can share my experiences with them and give them an honest view of what its like but why should I say, "Aviation sucks go find a real job". How do I know that kid won't be like me?

johns13b · September 9th, 2006, 22:52

aviation is the best thing i ever did

Soar · October 10th, 2006, 01:12

I can understand expilot's point of view. I did the AeroSci degree. If I had to do it again, I'd get a more useful degree along with my ratings. Probably Business even though I always told myself I had no interest in business. In retrospect, that would have been the most useful to me. I flight instructed three years and finally got on with a regional. It was cool at first, but after a year, I'm getting out to pursue a Mon-Fri 9-5 job. I'm tired of spending all my time sitting at an airport, in a hotel, or deadheading on an airplane, and using 2 of three days off to commute home. I'm married, so that has something to do with it, too. If I were single, maybe I'd stay longer. In any case, I'm all about QOL now. I want to stay home, hang out with friends, brew beer in my garage, maybe start a family. Aviation is a great hobby. The most fun I had was early on... getting my private, taking friends for rides, hanging out at the local uncontrolled field. That's where the fun is, in my opinion. Sometimes, turning a fun hobby into a career can turn into "too much of a good thing". Anyway, to each his own. If you've got the bug, you have to give it a try. If you don't like it, then at least you don't ever have to wonder "what if"..... and you've still got your ratings in the end to have fun with.

Murdoughnut · October 12th, 2006, 17:13

Kudos to expilot for his post - this message board needs more people with considerable experience to share their opinions, regardless of what that opinion may be. This board definitely suffers from a problem of a lot of kids not old enough to drink waxing intellectual about the state of the industry. Read the writing on the wall, the regionals are losing pilots by the dozens each month. It's about time someone on here said something that didn't involve the blowing of sunshine.

Stone Cold · October 12th, 2006, 17:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFT1Air

Here you go.

Thanks MFT1...sorry I haven't looked at this thread in a long time, but I found the info I was looking for. I appreciate it.

thestaton · February 21st, 2007, 12:58

thanks for the advice expilot. I think for the past month I've been trying to tell myself that everything would work out, however in the back of my mind I'm thinking. 40K in debt, away from friends & family, and not being able to buy little things like concert tickets etc.

i've done this crap for 4 years on the C5 and I'm done. the woman hates the 2 week trips that we do now, so I've got 30 grand to go spend on some quality education.

believe it or not but you are probably the one to change my mind about all of this.

so thanks again.

DE727UPS · February 21st, 2007, 13:18

Looks like Expilot was a one day, one thread, wonder. He reminds me exactly of Skyhigh over at APC.

Anyhow, I think it's good for newbs to see what can happen in an aviation career. It's exactly the opposite of what the big academy/flight university marketing is telling ya. Not that this is what WILL happen to you, but it's what COULD happen. I just think it's good people are aware of the worst case scenario.

staplegun · February 21st, 2007, 20:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by expilot

1,500 hours as CFI/Chief Flight Instructor
1,000 hours flying night freight
1,000 hours turbine corporate/charter with ATP turbine type.
s/e and m/e seaplane time, glider time,

At the time (1982-1989), the majors were furloughing.

At that time, just to put the record straight, Delta, American, USAir/Piedmont, Northwest and United were adding more pilots to their respective seniority lists than they ever had before. Not sure what he is talking about. USAir had a small furlough in 1989 (followed by a bigger one in 1991), but the "majors" didn't start furloughing until the mid-90's.

Kevin

FutrLftSeat82 · April 12th, 2007, 04:18

I don't even know where to start. I love aviation, and have as long as I can remember. After reading each one of these posts, I've "seen the light" so-to-speak. I want aviation to be something fun, and that I ENJOY doing. Notice I didn't just say "flying". I don't want the JOB of doing something that I love. I want to have fun doing what I love. Of course I'm going to go through and get my ratings...in due time. Definitely going to get my PPL and IR without hesitation. That way I can fly when I have the time/money still. The rest though, I think is going to come with time now. I love the thought of possibly being at the controls of something like a Citation. One day, who knows. I guess it's true though...some people get so hooked on the "smoke blowing" and they become so immune to it, that they don't get to see both sides of the fence, and the reality that lies therein. In the end, all that matters is that you make the decision to make yourself happy...whatever that may be. It's all about the journey...not so much the destination. Your perception and goals of flying and aviaiton is going to be what you make of it.

...To each his own...

Vyse · April 12th, 2007, 06:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by staplegun

At that time, just to put the record straight, Delta, American, USAir/Piedmont, Northwest and United were adding more pilots to their respective seniority lists than they ever had before. Not sure what he is talking about. USAir had a small furlough in 1989 (followed by a bigger one in 1991), but the "majors" didn't start furloughing until the mid-90's.

Kevin

Mabye he didn't network?

I appreciate hearing both sides of the story, and I do feel bad for his comrades with wings forever folded, but posting for a day and then disappearing smacks of: troll.

SeatClutcher · April 12th, 2007, 13:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by expilot

If you want to have a comfortable life, wife, kids, two cars, house in the suburbs...

Nein, danke!

Elfmaze · September 3rd, 2007, 02:22

I can see his perspective. Either you have 120K in debt or there is a matching hole in you're parents bank account. I've been out in the work place two years. and minimum payments and living in sub-adiquate apartments so far to show for it. I went the dispatch/ ATC route. flying didn't work out for me earlie on. thankfully when i hit 50 i'll have it all paid off

(sry about resurecting the post)

August 31st, 2006, 17:16	#51
FlYemHI Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 7	Re: Run like he away from aviation! If we werent on a forum website, you would no what I would have to say about michigan? ** Michigan! haha!

September 3rd, 2006, 11:58	#53
Fly_Unity Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 323	Re: Run like he away from aviation!** Almost everywhere I go, people ask me what in the world am I getting an aviation degree for... well, for me who dont really like to study, the aviation degree is the most funnest, which makes studying a little easier, second, I dont need to worry about a job if the aviation industry falls, I can go right now and make $50.00 an hour doing construction, (been doing it for 10 years). or if I want an easy lifestyle I can play banjo at a studio. I get job offers like every month in non aviation fields, yet I turn them down because I like flying, and the Aviation degree is probably the most easiest and funnest for me.

September 4th, 2006, 11:39	#55
Fly_Unity Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 323	Re: Run like he away from aviation!** Its normal for somone to make fun of my english, Point taken. hehe

September 6th, 2006, 18:43	#56
mikecweb Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 2,955	Re: Run like he away from aviation!** The guy is right. Period end of sentence. As of right now I like my job. I can't imagine doing anything else. Is my QOL good? No. Do I have over 100k in loans? Yeah. But my other friends may have more money in their pockets but if there was a forum for car sales men, aerospace engineers, or real estate agents I'm sure there would be bitching and complaining on there too. I couldn't work 9-5. Am I going to look back at my decisions from after high school as a mistake? Maybe or maybe not. I can tell you right now I don't get a hardon for major airline cockpits. Even if it was aviation in the "Glory Days" I wouldn't want that. I like flying something different. I'm damn proud of the fact that I don't fly for company that my neighbors have heard of. If I ever do get out of overnight freight who knows where I'll go. Maybe floatplanes. Maybe bush flying. Maybe back to flight instructing. Who the heck knows. I can tell you right now I can't/won't discourage a newcomer to aviation from continueing. I can share my experiences with them and give them an honest view of what its like but why should I say, "Aviation sucks go find a real job". How do I know that kid won't be like me? __________________

September 9th, 2006, 22:52	#57
johns13b Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Atlanta & Athens Posts: 34	Re: Run like he away from aviation!** aviation is the best thing i ever did __________________ Brian CFI @ KWDR

October 10th, 2006, 01:12	#58
Soar Newbie Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 5	Re: Run like he away from aviation!** I can understand expilot's point of view. I did the AeroSci degree. If I had to do it again, I'd get a more useful degree along with my ratings. Probably Business even though I always told myself I had no interest in business. In retrospect, that would have been the most useful to me. I flight instructed three years and finally got on with a regional. It was cool at first, but after a year, I'm getting out to pursue a Mon-Fri 9-5 job. I'm tired of spending all my time sitting at an airport, in a hotel, or deadheading on an airplane, and using 2 of three days off to commute home. I'm married, so that has something to do with it, too. If I were single, maybe I'd stay longer. In any case, I'm all about QOL now. I want to stay home, hang out with friends, brew beer in my garage, maybe start a family. Aviation is a great hobby. The most fun I had was early on... getting my private, taking friends for rides, hanging out at the local uncontrolled field. That's where the fun is, in my opinion. Sometimes, turning a fun hobby into a career can turn into "too much of a good thing". Anyway, to each his own. If you've got the bug, you have to give it a try. If you don't like it, then at least you don't ever have to wonder "what if"..... and you've still got your ratings in the end to have fun with.

October 12th, 2006, 17:13	#59
Murdoughnut Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 2,915	Re: Run like he away from aviation!** Kudos to expilot for his post - this message board needs more people with considerable experience to share their opinions, regardless of what that opinion may be. This board definitely suffers from a problem of a lot of kids not old enough to drink waxing intellectual about the state of the industry. Read the writing on the wall, the regionals are losing pilots by the dozens each month. It's about time someone on here said something that didn't involve the blowing of sunshine.

February 21st, 2007, 12:58	#61
thestaton Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 70	Re: Run like he away from aviation!** thanks for the advice expilot. I think for the past month I've been trying to tell myself that everything would work out, however in the back of my mind I'm thinking. 40K in debt, away from friends & family, and not being able to buy little things like concert tickets etc. i've done this crap for 4 years on the C5 and I'm done. the woman hates the 2 week trips that we do now, so I've got 30 grand to go spend on some quality education. believe it or not but you are probably the one to change my mind about all of this. so thanks again.

February 21st, 2007, 13:18	#62
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,578	Re: Run like he away from aviation!** Looks like Expilot was a one day, one thread, wonder. He reminds me exactly of Skyhigh over at APC. Anyhow, I think it's good for newbs to see what can happen in an aviation career. It's exactly the opposite of what the big academy/flight university marketing is telling ya. Not that this is what WILL happen to you, but it's what COULD happen. I just think it's good people are aware of the worst case scenario. __________________ Click here to see how I became a UPS pilot http://www.jetcareers.com/content/view/65/132/

April 12th, 2007, 04:18	#64
FutrLftSeat82 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grand Junction, CO Posts: 166	Re: Run like he away from aviation!** I don't even know where to start. I love aviation, and have as long as I can remember. After reading each one of these posts, I've "seen the light" so-to-speak. I want aviation to be something fun, and that I ENJOY doing. Notice I didn't just say "flying". I don't want the JOB of doing something that I love. I want to have fun doing what I love. Of course I'm going to go through and get my ratings...in due time. Definitely going to get my PPL and IR without hesitation. That way I can fly when I have the time/money still. The rest though, I think is going to come with time now. I love the thought of possibly being at the controls of something like a Citation. One day, who knows. I guess it's true though...some people get so hooked on the "smoke blowing" and they become so immune to it, that they don't get to see both sides of the fence, and the reality that lies therein. In the end, all that matters is that you make the decision to make yourself happy...whatever that may be. It's all about the journey...not so much the destination. Your perception and goals of flying and aviaiton is going to be what you make of it. ...To each his own... __________________ <--Me after first solo 11/21/07...9.2TT!! -Private Pilot as of 01/02/08!!

September 3rd, 2007, 02:22	#67
Elfmaze Newbie Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 23	Re: Run like he away from aviation!** I can see his perspective. Either you have 120K in debt or there is a matching hole in you're parents bank account. I've been out in the work place two years. and minimum payments and living in sub-adiquate apartments so far to show for it. I went the dispatch/ ATC route. flying didn't work out for me earlie on. thankfully when i hit 50 i'll have it all paid off (sry about resurecting the post)

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