"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you"

Bramage · January 19th, 2003, 12:01

Hey,
I am a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands.
I am at "middelbare school" High school, at the highest level (VWO it is called here).

I want to become a pilot at Delta Airlines and thought after my High School to go to Embry Riddle.

What do you think is the best way for a dutch-man to get a job at an American airline? I prefer Delta Airlines(I heard 95% the only take ex-military pilots, is this true?)

vipermcg · January 19th, 2003, 12:18

Doug, the webmaster, would probably be able to tell you alot about that, as he is a Delta Pilot. He has no military background.

Bramage · January 19th, 2003, 12:47

Then I'll wait till he lands on this forum

flyguy · January 19th, 2003, 20:32

Hello, welcome to the forum.

Delta is a good airline. One of my top choices too. My advise however is don't put all your eggs in one basket. Think of other airlines you would like to work for, or even other areas of flying other than major airlines. You never know who will be hiring when you are ready to apply and you don't want to miss your chance because you are waiting on Delta (who may never hire you for all you know). Just something to think about. Good luck.

Doug Taylor · January 19th, 2003, 22:08

The 95% military thing was a product of pre-1990 Delta. Things have (had?) changed quite a bit since then.

I think as long as you have the legal right to work in the United States, you shouldn't have a problem getting hired with an American airline -- assuming that they're hiring!

Good luck!

Bramage · January 20th, 2003, 03:25

[ QUOTE ]
The 95% military thing was a product of pre-1990 Delta. Things have (had?) changed quite a bit since then.

I think as long as you have the legal right to work in the United States, you shouldn't have a problem getting hired with an American airline -- assuming that they're hiring!

Good luck!

[/ QUOTE ]
Allright, thanks for your reply.

But actually my question was: what do you think is the smartest way to get a job in the US?

This is how I think it should be best:
I can study "Aviation" in Amsterdam here an then go "stage lopen" to the US in my second year of study and visit NASA or Boeing for a stage. Then I can finish my school in the US too, so I graduate there.
When graduated, I could take part in a greencard lottery (or earlier) so I could win a greencard and become a US citizan too.

Than I am legable to work in the US and live there, and can go to Embry Riddle.

Do you think this is smart? How would you do it?

Doug Taylor · January 20th, 2003, 08:39

Well, first and foremost, you've got to obtain the legal right to work in the U.S. How one goes about that, I have no idea!

Bramage · January 20th, 2003, 09:17

[ QUOTE ]
Well, first and foremost, you've got to obtain the legal right to work in the U.S. How one goes about that, I have no idea!

[/ QUOTE ]
If I win the greencard lottery I get a greencard and with a greencard you are legal to work in de US

ps: My prefereble home plate would be Atlanta

Which type of airplanes are there and wich destinations, because flying to me home land, the Netherlands, would be nice to visit some family, go to Amsterdam, or pick up family to show them around in Atlanta

Ukflyer · January 23rd, 2003, 02:47

It's not easy to get a greencard for the US. Only 50,000 get the chance to apply each year - and only certain countries are eligible. I'm lucky as my step-mother is American. The other options are to marry an Amercian or get a 'working visa', where the employer applies for the visa. But the latter is only temporary whilst you work for that company.

Hope it goes well Bramage.

bumflip · January 23rd, 2003, 11:06

flyitup · January 27th, 2003, 20:05

[ QUOTE ]
Dude you could take me to Amsterdam with you too!

[/ QUOTE ]

Hmm.. I can't imagine why you would want to go their!

yankee_one · January 31st, 2003, 06:25

goto a search engine such as www.yahoo.com and search for green card lottery. As an earlier post said, the green card lottery is pain in the a$$. I've known people that have tried many times and have not succeded. Also, once you have a green card, that dosn't mean you will be able to fly here. It seems as though the DOJ changes the rules every day, to the best of my knowledge, and someone PLEASE correct me if I am wrong, you need to be a naturulized citizen to fly an aircraft of 12,500 LB or greater assuming you've had no training on such an aircraft. Lately I've heard that you actually have to be 90 days current on that aircraft as well. I'm sure there are 50 differnt variations or interpratations of this rule. Just be careful and don't belive just because you win a green card lotterty, and its called lottery for a reason, that you can get a job. Best of luck to you. Like someone else said. dont put all your eggs in one basket. This goes with flight schools as well. Look into several. Dont belive all the hype you hear. Visit them and talk to the students and instructors.

Bramage · February 1st, 2003, 11:06

[ QUOTE ]
goto a search engine such as www.yahoo.com and search for green card lottery. As an earlier post said, the green card lottery is pain in the a$$. I've known people that have tried many times and have not succeded. Also, once you have a green card, that dosn't mean you will be able to fly here. It seems as though the DOJ changes the rules every day, to the best of my knowledge, and someone PLEASE correct me if I am wrong, you need to be a naturulized citizen to fly an aircraft of 12,500 LB or greater assuming you've had no training on such an aircraft. Lately I've heard that you actually have to be 90 days current on that aircraft as well. I'm sure there are 50 differnt variations or interpratations of this rule. Just be careful and don't belive just because you win a green card lotterty, and its called lottery for a reason, that you can get a job. Best of luck to you. Like someone else said. dont put all your eggs in one basket. This goes with flight schools as well. Look into several. Dont belive all the hype you hear. Visit them and talk to the students and instructors.

[/ QUOTE ]
Thanks for your reply, this will help me out quit a little bit!

Virusss · March 17th, 2003, 11:49

Bramage. You and me are in the same position. Were both 16 and both want to be pilots for Delta. I dont know about you but I wanted to fly for delta since I was 7 (or six). I cant really give you advice on Embry riddle because I was highly thinking of going to Flight saftey academy. But I just want to wish you luck man. And hope we will meet someday (on a flight) (Me being the captain and you the co-pilot (or the other way around doesnt matter)). Well Good luck and hope you make it.

kostcoguy · March 21st, 2003, 21:54

Chears R_U_A and Bramage! same thing here, 16 Delta pilot, or airline doesn't matter, but Delta is top pick. Don't know much about the greencard lottery or anything like that, but hopefully we'll all meet in Atlanta one day and fly to Amsterdam!

Virusss · March 22nd, 2003, 18:34

Hip Hip.....
(Well? Wheres the hooray?)

kostcoguy · March 22nd, 2003, 19:59

[ QUOTE ]
Hip Hip.....
(Well? Wheres the hooray?)

[/ QUOTE ]

HOORAY!

Bramage · March 31st, 2003, 12:35

Nice that there are more people who want to fly for Delta (who don't?! =P) Amsterdam is a nice city indeed, but Atlanta seems very nice and beautiful to me to.

Does anybody know too wether is it possible to fly from out of Florida? Like Miami?

And a question, I REALLY need advice now (yes, it is really

) because next year I am goint to graduate most-likely, graduate at high-school, not at the highest level but the highest-but-one level

Can please somebody give me advice of what to do? How about the selections? Can I do them in The Netherlands?

Virusss · April 2nd, 2003, 11:00

[ QUOTE ]
Can please somebody give me advice of what to do? How about the selections? Can I do them in The Netherlands?

[/ QUOTE ]

I dont know if you have but look in the main page where it says how to get to an airline the Eurpean way. I think that should help you a bit. As far as foriegn Colleges and Unv. Ask Iain. He went to one in Europe he might help you out A TON.

flycanuck · April 10th, 2003, 19:21

Do Canadians have to deal with all that greencard stuff?

-FlyCanuck

kostcoguy · April 10th, 2003, 23:03

I don't think so, but I may be entirely wrong. I am just guessing.

zsolez · May 21st, 2003, 10:02

[ QUOTE ]
and someone PLEASE correct me if I am wrong, you need to be a naturulized citizen to fly an aircraft of 12,500 LB or greater assuming you've had no training on such an aircraft.

[/ QUOTE ]

Just because you have asked for correction... and because you have scared the light out of me.... you need a background check before you get training in such an airplane, also the Attorney General’s office has to be notified. But you can fly, and train if you come out clean.

Here is a link for the PDF is anyone cares:

http://www.nbaa.org/@@QAFEAVS6MAEB/o...PFactSheet.pdf

Btw most of us will only get close to such heavy airplane when hired by a regional, and if so than your background is going to be checked anyways.

Kristie · June 13th, 2003, 23:40

[ QUOTE ]
Do Canadians have to deal with all that greencard stuff?

[/ QUOTE ]

You bet they do! if your not a citizen of the US, then you have to get a green card first before you can become a citizen...

I have a girlfriend who is from canada and is going through the whole green card process now (she just recently got married to a US citizen)... she says it's a pain in the butt process because so many try to get through the system... but she does admit that it's probably a lot easier to get a TN status or temporary work permit (there are a ton of different types for different nations!) to be able to work here while your trying to buy time to get your green card...

and I'm betting that you have to be a US citizen in order to fly a US plane - especially after 9/11...

chrisdahut1 · June 14th, 2003, 21:57

I can tell you that obtaining a greencard is one serious pain in the ass. I got it the easiest and quickest way (applying as a dependent on an L1 visa) short of marrying a citizen and even that was a two year process. Come here on a more common H visa and you need to go through labour certification and the whole process can take a minimum of 5 years, I've heard. AND they can pretty much deny your application anytime in the process. I applied for the greencard lottery twice with no luck before I arrived in the U.S. I do actually know 2 people who won greencards on the lottery, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The greencard lottery is a long shot and far from guarenteed. These days with tighter security, more scrutiny on immigrants (I've gone through some severe background checks already just to get the greencard, Im gonna have to go through another to get hired by an airline), and a weak economy greencards have got to be very hard to come by. Not impossible, but certainly not easy obtain.

Sorry to have to be the one to tell you the harsh truth, but thats the way things are. Your goals aren't impossible to acheive, but you have a long, difficult and uncertain road ahead if you wish to move to the U.S. and just work here, let alone work as an airline pilot or for Delta. But I hope things work out for you. Good luck.

January 19th, 2003, 12:01	#1
Bramage Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 6	\"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" Hey, I am a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands. I am at "middelbare school" High school, at the highest level (VWO it is called here). I want to become a pilot at Delta Airlines and thought after my High School to go to Embry Riddle. What do you think is the best way for a dutch-man to get a job at an American airline? I prefer Delta Airlines(I heard 95% the only take ex-military pilots, is this true?)

January 19th, 2003, 12:18	#2
vipermcg Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York/ West Lafayette, IN Posts: 393	Re: \"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" Doug, the webmaster, would probably be able to tell you alot about that, as he is a Delta Pilot. He has no military background.

January 19th, 2003, 12:47	#3
Bramage Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 6	Re: \"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" Then I'll wait till he lands on this forum

January 19th, 2003, 20:32	#4
flyguy Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 2,078	Re: \"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" Hello, welcome to the forum. Delta is a good airline. One of my top choices too. My advise however is don't put all your eggs in one basket. Think of other airlines you would like to work for, or even other areas of flying other than major airlines. You never know who will be hiring when you are ready to apply and you don't want to miss your chance because you are waiting on Delta (who may never hire you for all you know). Just something to think about. Good luck.

January 19th, 2003, 22:08	#5
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,543 Blog Entries: 1	Re: \"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" The 95% military thing was a product of pre-1990 Delta. Things have (had?) changed quite a bit since then. I think as long as you have the legal right to work in the United States, you shouldn't have a problem getting hired with an American airline -- assuming that they're hiring! Good luck!

January 20th, 2003, 03:25	#6
Bramage Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 6	Re: \"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" [ QUOTE ] The 95% military thing was a product of pre-1990 Delta. Things have (had?) changed quite a bit since then. I think as long as you have the legal right to work in the United States, you shouldn't have a problem getting hired with an American airline -- assuming that they're hiring! Good luck! [/ QUOTE ] Allright, thanks for your reply. But actually my question was: what do you think is the smartest way to get a job in the US? This is how I think it should be best: I can study "Aviation" in Amsterdam here an then go "stage lopen" to the US in my second year of study and visit NASA or Boeing for a stage. Then I can finish my school in the US too, so I graduate there. When graduated, I could take part in a greencard lottery (or earlier) so I could win a greencard and become a US citizan too. Than I am legable to work in the US and live there, and can go to Embry Riddle. Do you think this is smart? How would you do it?

January 20th, 2003, 08:39	#7
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,543 Blog Entries: 1	Re: \"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" Well, first and foremost, you've got to obtain the legal right to work in the U.S. How one goes about that, I have no idea!

January 20th, 2003, 09:17	#8
Bramage Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 6	Re: \"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" [ QUOTE ] Well, first and foremost, you've got to obtain the legal right to work in the U.S. How one goes about that, I have no idea! [/ QUOTE ] If I win the greencard lottery I get a greencard and with a greencard you are legal to work in de US ps: My prefereble home plate would be Atlanta Which type of airplanes are there and wich destinations, because flying to me home land, the Netherlands, would be nice to visit some family, go to Amsterdam, or pick up family to show them around in Atlanta

January 23rd, 2003, 02:47	#9
Ukflyer Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1	Re: \"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" It's not easy to get a greencard for the US. Only 50,000 get the chance to apply each year - and only certain countries are eligible. I'm lucky as my step-mother is American. The other options are to marry an Amercian or get a 'working visa', where the employer applies for the visa. But the latter is only temporary whilst you work for that company. Hope it goes well Bramage.

January 23rd, 2003, 11:06	#10
bumflip Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Frisco, TX Posts: 314	Post deleted by Doug Taylor

January 27th, 2003, 20:05	#11
flyitup Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 620	Re: \"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" [ QUOTE ] Dude you could take me to Amsterdam with you too! [/ QUOTE ] Hmm.. I can't imagine why you would want to go their!

January 31st, 2003, 06:25	#12
yankee_one Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Deltona, Florida Posts: 286	Re: \"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" goto a search engine such as www.yahoo.com and search for green card lottery. As an earlier post said, the green card lottery is pain in the a$$. I've known people that have tried many times and have not succeded. Also, once you have a green card, that dosn't mean you will be able to fly here. It seems as though the DOJ changes the rules every day, to the best of my knowledge, and someone PLEASE correct me if I am wrong, you need to be a naturulized citizen to fly an aircraft of 12,500 LB or greater assuming you've had no training on such an aircraft. Lately I've heard that you actually have to be 90 days current on that aircraft as well. I'm sure there are 50 differnt variations or interpratations of this rule. Just be careful and don't belive just because you win a green card lotterty, and its called lottery for a reason, that you can get a job. Best of luck to you. Like someone else said. dont put all your eggs in one basket. This goes with flight schools as well. Look into several. Dont belive all the hype you hear. Visit them and talk to the students and instructors.

February 1st, 2003, 11:06	#13
Bramage Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 6	Re: \"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" [ QUOTE ] goto a search engine such as www.yahoo.com and search for green card lottery. As an earlier post said, the green card lottery is pain in the a$$. I've known people that have tried many times and have not succeded. Also, once you have a green card, that dosn't mean you will be able to fly here. It seems as though the DOJ changes the rules every day, to the best of my knowledge, and someone PLEASE correct me if I am wrong, you need to be a naturulized citizen to fly an aircraft of 12,500 LB or greater assuming you've had no training on such an aircraft. Lately I've heard that you actually have to be 90 days current on that aircraft as well. I'm sure there are 50 differnt variations or interpratations of this rule. Just be careful and don't belive just because you win a green card lotterty, and its called lottery for a reason, that you can get a job. Best of luck to you. Like someone else said. dont put all your eggs in one basket. This goes with flight schools as well. Look into several. Dont belive all the hype you hear. Visit them and talk to the students and instructors. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks for your reply, this will help me out quit a little bit!

March 17th, 2003, 11:49	#14
Virusss Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 165	Re: \"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" Bramage. You and me are in the same position. Were both 16 and both want to be pilots for Delta. I dont know about you but I wanted to fly for delta since I was 7 (or six). I cant really give you advice on Embry riddle because I was highly thinking of going to Flight saftey academy. But I just want to wish you luck man. And hope we will meet someday (on a flight) (Me being the captain and you the co-pilot (or the other way around doesnt matter)). Well Good luck and hope you make it.

March 21st, 2003, 21:54	#15
kostcoguy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Orange County Posts: 336	Re: \"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" Chears R_U_A and Bramage! same thing here, 16 Delta pilot, or airline doesn't matter, but Delta is top pick. Don't know much about the greencard lottery or anything like that, but hopefully we'll all meet in Atlanta one day and fly to Amsterdam!

March 22nd, 2003, 18:34	#16
Virusss Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 165	Re: \"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" Hip Hip..... (Well? Wheres the hooray?)

March 22nd, 2003, 19:59	#17
kostcoguy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Orange County Posts: 336	Re: \"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" [ QUOTE ] Hip Hip..... (Well? Wheres the hooray?) [/ QUOTE ] HOORAY!

March 31st, 2003, 12:35	#18
Bramage Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 6	Re: \"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" Nice that there are more people who want to fly for Delta (who don't?! =P) Amsterdam is a nice city indeed, but Atlanta seems very nice and beautiful to me to. Does anybody know too wether is it possible to fly from out of Florida? Like Miami? And a question, I REALLY need advice now (yes, it is really ) because next year I am goint to graduate most-likely, graduate at high-school, not at the highest level but the highest-but-one level Can please somebody give me advice of what to do? How about the selections? Can I do them in The Netherlands?

April 2nd, 2003, 11:00	#19
Virusss Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 165	Re: \"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" [ QUOTE ] Can please somebody give me advice of what to do? How about the selections? Can I do them in The Netherlands? [/ QUOTE ] I dont know if you have but look in the main page where it says how to get to an airline the Eurpean way. I think that should help you a bit. As far as foriegn Colleges and Unv. Ask Iain. He went to one in Europe he might help you out A TON.

April 10th, 2003, 19:21	#20
flycanuck Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada (CYXU) Posts: 245	Re: \"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" Do Canadians have to deal with all that greencard stuff? -FlyCanuck

April 10th, 2003, 23:03	#21
kostcoguy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Orange County Posts: 336	Re: \"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" I don't think so, but I may be entirely wrong. I am just guessing.

May 21st, 2003, 10:02	#22
zsolez Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 79	Re: \"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" [ QUOTE ] and someone PLEASE correct me if I am wrong, you need to be a naturulized citizen to fly an aircraft of 12,500 LB or greater assuming you've had no training on such an aircraft. [/ QUOTE ] Just because you have asked for correction... and because you have scared the light out of me.... you need a background check before you get training in such an airplane, also the Attorney General’s office has to be notified. But you can fly, and train if you come out clean. Here is a link for the PDF is anyone cares: http://www.nbaa.org/@@QAFEAVS6MAEB/o...PFactSheet.pdf Btw most of us will only get close to such heavy airplane when hired by a regional, and if so than your background is going to be checked anyways.

June 13th, 2003, 23:40	#23
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 18,198 Blog Entries: 3	Re: \"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" [ QUOTE ] Do Canadians have to deal with all that greencard stuff? [/ QUOTE ] You bet they do! if your not a citizen of the US, then you have to get a green card first before you can become a citizen... I have a girlfriend who is from canada and is going through the whole green card process now (she just recently got married to a US citizen)... she says it's a pain in the butt process because so many try to get through the system... but she does admit that it's probably a lot easier to get a TN status or temporary work permit (there are a ton of different types for different nations!) to be able to work here while your trying to buy time to get your green card... and I'm betting that you have to be a US citizen in order to fly a US plane - especially after 9/11...

June 14th, 2003, 21:57	#24
chrisdahut1 Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Louisville, KY & Florida Posts: 267	Re: \"Delta Airlines, this is a 16 year old boy from the Netherlands with you\" I can tell you that obtaining a greencard is one serious pain in the ass. I got it the easiest and quickest way (applying as a dependent on an L1 visa) short of marrying a citizen and even that was a two year process. Come here on a more common H visa and you need to go through labour certification and the whole process can take a minimum of 5 years, I've heard. AND they can pretty much deny your application anytime in the process. I applied for the greencard lottery twice with no luck before I arrived in the U.S. I do actually know 2 people who won greencards on the lottery, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The greencard lottery is a long shot and far from guarenteed. These days with tighter security, more scrutiny on immigrants (I've gone through some severe background checks already just to get the greencard, Im gonna have to go through another to get hired by an airline), and a weak economy greencards have got to be very hard to come by. Not impossible, but certainly not easy obtain. Sorry to have to be the one to tell you the harsh truth, but thats the way things are. Your goals aren't impossible to acheive, but you have a long, difficult and uncertain road ahead if you wish to move to the U.S. and just work here, let alone work as an airline pilot or for Delta. But I hope things work out for you. Good luck.

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