A name of ERAU/UND will land you a job?

[Fly777bigBIRD]

Will a ERAU degree will make for easier for you to land a job or interns?

Let's say that other people from another college like ABC college and one from ERAU or UND, and will the company will pick over the ERAU student because of the top school, how they are educated, where they from , etc...

Any suggustions?

[DE727UPS]

Read all of Doug's stuff on the Jetcareers home page under the education and airline careers links. Then, read all the perspectives articles on the home page, too.

The simple answer to your question is no...but you could learn a lot about why if you take the time to educate yourself via this wonderful website.

[kellwolf]

Depends on who you ask. If you ask ERAU admissions, they'll say something like "more of our students get hired faster than any other aviation college" or something to that degree. Get out in the real world, and it doesn't really make a difference. One of the guys I instruct with has an ERAU degree, 1150 TT and close to 300 ME. The degree counts about as much as a degree from U of Texas would on his applications. When you apply for a flying job they don't ask "Where did you graduate from?," they ask "What are your times and do you even HAVE a degree?"

I'm getting my degree from ERAU online not to throw open doors, but b/c it works out best for me as far as credits transferring and ease of scheduling for classes. Best case scenario, the person interviewing you is an ERAU grad and you MIGHT have a 20 second conversation about the school before getting to the meat of the interview.

[B767]

It really all depends (i know i know...start the flaming). I have kept in touch with a UA Sr. HR Generalist Flight Operations and asked him a similar question and he said it really depends on the situation. ERAU/UND both work, however, he also said that if you do go the FBO way to try and make it at an FBO that does pt. 141 training.
Lastly, i think what pisses people here off more than anything is ERAU or UND grads saying theyre so great because they graduated from those schools, and then in turn go out and think that the only way to fly is the ERAU or UND way. So basically, make sure you dont think that (and thats what recruiters will try to do). There are other ways.

So to answer your question. Do those schools help, in some ways but it also has its cons (i.e. if you fail a medical and cant fly..then what (UND offers a more of an escape plan for that scenerio)). As for the interns, i believe that those universities have better ties with airlines to make getting a coop easier than not attending one, but im not 100% sure.

[Doug Taylor]

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If you've got a degree, you shouldn't be interning!

I don't necessarily think it was easier to get a job, but I've never heard "OMIGAWD! A riddle grad!! yay!" during an interview. I'm of the school of thought that a bright, well-prepared applicant from "Joe Schmoe Feed, Seed, and FBO" with a forestry degree from Fresno State has a better chance than a smug "hey I'm doing you guys a favor by just showing up" Riddle grad.

The best, most qualifed candidate will get the job.

[moxiepilot]

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Will a ERAU degree will make for easier for you to land a job or interns?

Let's say that other people from another college like ABC college and one from ERAU or UND, and will the company will pick over the ERAU student because of the top school, how they are educated, where they from , etc...

Any suggustions?

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You know you're a washingtonian when you can pronounce Puyallup correctly....

My opinion on your question is.....no.

Jobs come from knowing the right people, having the volition to motivate yourself and getting the experience to qualify yourself for the position.

There have been few ERAU graduates I have met that haven't come out with something my old company called the "Riddle swagger." These applicants walked in like they were the $hi+ BECAUSE they graduated ERAU, and that they were entitled to a job because of this. Only one applicant from ERAU was ever employed by this company because he had a demeanor which took into account that humility is an asset as well as a degree, since when you get out of college you still don't know everything no matter what you think.

My opionion is that if you choose to go to one of these schools, go there for the right reason. The right reason is to get an education. Going to a college for the name of the school is like buying a job....

If Yoda could talk to you I would think he might say, "A tough decision you have, young aviator....wisely you must choose."

[montanapilot]

Lets freaking get this straight...ERAU or UND? (BAD AND GOOD)

[Mike Lewis]

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You know you're a washingtonian when you can pronounce Puyallup correctly....

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That's where I was born, and I am constantly having to spell it for people when they need to know my birthplace. I remember Johnny Carson used to always mention the Daffodil Festival on the Tonight Show. Also, about the only other times I have heard Puyallup mentioned was when the Huard brothers were playing in the NFL a few years ago.

Anyway, to the point of the post:

ERAU is the "Harvard of the Skies"! Yeah, and I am still waiting for the airlines to come offer me a job with my ERAU degree.

The only thing I can say about Riddle is that if you want to get your degree with an emphasis on aviation, it's the place to go (Comp Sci with emphasis on aviation; business with emphasis on aviation; electrical engineering with emphasis on aviation; etc).

For me, the relatively boringness of Prescott and the low student population were the highlights for me. While the school probably won't hype up either of those characteristics as positives, 1) the fact that there wasn't a whole lot going on in town during the week meant I could better concentrate on my studies and 2) the low student-to-faculty ratio meant that I had a lot more one-on-one study session time with my professors than I would have at a large major university.

But I have never encountered anyone who was super-excited about my Riddle degree. In fact, it's very rare that I meet anyone who even knows what ERAU is (well, in the AF, there were a lot of guys who knew what it was, because they were getting their degrees through the distance learning school; but otherwise when I say "Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University" the response is: "Erby-Diddle Airplane School?" or "Excuse me, in ingles, por favor" or "Gasundheit!").

In short, a Riddle degree is just that - a degree. Go to ERAU because it's what you want to get out of a school, not because you think it will open doors for you, because it won't.

[caliginousface]

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but otherwise when I say "Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University" the response is: "Erby-Diddle Airplane School?" or "Excuse me, in ingles, por favor" or "Gasundheit!").

In short, a Riddle degree is just that - a degree. Go to ERAU because it's what you want to get out of a school, not because you think it will open doors for you, because it won't.

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hahahhaahhaa.

well, before i got here the way they played it up was a school that would open doors. so i'm here now and i'll be here for a little longer.

[Doug Taylor]

Non aviation people say "Ahh, Emory!"

[Stone Cold]

My student loan people love the fact that I went to Riddle and will be paying forever. Other than that, mostly I have received "Oh boy, another Riddle guy, the last three failed out. Good luck." Received at Airnet, Cessna Caravan school (an instructor for another airframe), and various pilots along the way.

I love the education I received there, but I would definitely do it differently.

TX

[caliginousface]

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My student loan people love the fact that I went to Riddle and will be paying forever. Other than that, mostly I have received "Oh boy, another Riddle guy, the last three failed out. Good luck." Received at Airnet, Cessna Caravan school (an instructor for another airframe), and various pilots along the way.

I love the education I received there, but I would definitely do it differently.

TX

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whaaa?! they failed out of what?? man this fly at riddle thing is looking to get me farther and farther in the hole.

[Stone Cold]

Let's put it this way, during initial training here at Airnet, the instructor was getting our backgrounds, etc., and said that statement about failures. I told him I left there because of a disagreement with the flight department, and he said I would probably fit right in then. He is now the D.O. of our charter department.

The guy at Cessna, a CE-550 instructor, if memory serves me correctly, said he had some Riddle bad apples fail out of some training he was doing. I wear an ERAU lanyard and am thinking of getting rid of it due to the Riddle comments.

Don't get me wrong, the education is great, there were lots of good people there, and, looking back on it, I had some of the best instructors there, but there are a disproportionate amount of bad apples that went there and spread this Riddle reputation. For the money, for me, it was not worth it. Your mileage may vary.

Good luck!!

TX

[MikeD]

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. I wear an ERAU lanyard and am thinking of getting rid of it due to the Riddle comments.


TX

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At least you don't have a license plate on your BMW that says "ERAU PLT" along with an ERAU window sticker............

These things exist........I kid you not.

[ComplexHiAv8r]

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At least you don't have a license plate on your BMW that says "ERAU PLT" along with an ERAU window sticker............

These things exist........I kid you not.

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Didn't know you had a BMW MikeD.

[MikeD]

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At least you don't have a license plate on your BMW that says "ERAU PLT" along with an ERAU window sticker............

These things exist........I kid you not.

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Didn't know you had a BMW MikeD.

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Um....yeah.......

LOL......if even I could afford one!

LOL....I refer to a previous poster here who was a freshman at Riddle. He was only here a few months, and hasn't been seen since......

[Stone Cold]

Yeah, the lanyard was a gift from my wife, who loves to say I/we paid enough money for this stupid lanyard, so I'd better wear it (referring to the loans).

[Mike Lewis]

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Yeah, the lanyard was a gift from my wife, who loves to say I/we paid enough money for this stupid lanyard, so I'd better wear it (referring to the loans).

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When we graduated, Riddle gave us a blank diploma holder, saying our actual diploma would be mailed to us.

My friend Neil opened his empty diploma and said, "I paid $40,000 for this - NOTHING?"

[kellwolf]

$40K?!?! Man, people pay almost three times that now and still get...well, the same.

[Ralgha]

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When we graduated, Riddle gave us a blank diploma holder, saying our actual diploma would be mailed to us.

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Are you serious? The "Harvard of the skies" can't even figure out how to hand out real diplomas during graduation? In my graduation there were thousands of us and we each got our real diploma handed to us as we strolled across the stage.

[Doug Taylor]

Remember, he caught some heat and wrote a long, lumbering "I'm taking my ball, going home and goodbye forever!" post.

Dang I hate those.

[SteveC]

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Dang I hate those.

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Sometimes I read those "I'm out of here" posts and my response reminds me of the speech our old college hang-out-bar owner would make at closing time: "Hey buddy, it's that time again. You don't have to go home but you can't stay here. Don't let the screen door hit ya where the good Lord split ya..."

[caliginousface]

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. I wear an ERAU lanyard and am thinking of getting rid of it due to the Riddle comments.


TX

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At least you don't have a license plate on your BMW that says "ERAU PLT" along with an ERAU window sticker............

These things exist........I kid you not.

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there's a kid here with a "FLYERAU" plate, bleh.

[sargeanb]

Originally Posted by caliginousface

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. I wear an ERAU lanyard and am thinking of getting rid of it due to the Riddle comments.


TX

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At least you don't have a license plate on your BMW that says "ERAU PLT" along with an ERAU window sticker............

These things exist........I kid you not.

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there's a kid here with a "FLYERAU" plate, bleh.

<----this guy right here....got TWO window stickers and the lanyard (being a Riddle CFI and all)....yep...I'm one of 'em. No Beamer though...that would require money. I had an internship up at AOPA and they wouldn't let me hear the end of it...my direct boss was a Riddle grad, and our boss was a UND grad. Every time we went flying he said something like "Uh-oh look out, two riddlers in the same airplane." All in good fun though...I had a great time up there.

I know that myself and alot of the other grads are trying to dispell the thought that we think we are "better" than other applicants. I did all my training here, but I've worked elsewhere, and that actually has some advantages over us...flexibility for one. I remember teaching at a local pt 61 school, planning a long IFR XC with a student...only activity for the day. We landed at St. Augustine and saw that heavy storms were all along our route to Tallahasee. Plus, the restaraunt in St. Aug. was closed! So, I had him replan to Lakeland, which met the reqs for the rating, and there is a great restaraunt there! Departed about an hour later after some storms passed, ate at Lakeland, and came home. I could not do that here, as I would probably have 3 more activities following the XC, and I don't want to leave anyone out if possible. Plus we have tight Pt 141 reqs that have to be met, and can only fly to "approved" airports. I'll always take the experience I gained flying outside of the university and give that to my students...or what they see when they go out and get that first job may be a surprise.

We're a bit protected here with practically new aircraft, a great maintenance staff, and supervisors/flight records staff to check all of our paperwork. It's a different world out there, and THAT is what we want students to be ready for. The main advantage we have is the internship programs...this industry is all about contacts, and internships during school are a great way to meet people, and we have alot of them readily available. The training is top notch (not to toot my own horn), and you rarely if ever have to worry about not having an aircraft/instructor available for flights. Also, I came out with 24 hrs in a B1900D sim and 16 hrs in a B737-800 sim, and I've heard from several regional recruiters this is "like gold." It should be, considering the money paid (loans) for it. Plus, classes on everything from electronic navigation to CRM to jets systems should make airline indoc training seem fairly familiar. I enjoyed it very much, and still am enjoying it (despite the loans!).

But as far as the university "name" getting you extra points during an interview...not likely, though some folks in the industry know us because they are grads from the various universities. That's what I know...

-Brock Sargeant
MEII

[project7]

Originally Posted by sargeanb

<----this guy right here....got TWO window stickers and the lanyard (being a Riddle CFI and all)....yep...I'm one of 'em. No Beamer though...that would require money. I had an internship up at AOPA and they wouldn't let me hear the end of it...my direct boss was a Riddle grad, and our boss was a UND grad. Every time we went flying he said something like "Uh-oh look out, two riddlers in the same airplane." All in good fun though...I had a great time up there.

I know that myself and alot of the other grads are trying to dispell the thought that we think we are "better" than other applicants. I did all my training here, but I've worked elsewhere, and that actually has some advantages over us...flexibility for one. I remember teaching at a local pt 61 school, planning a long IFR XC with a student...only activity for the day. We landed at St. Augustine and saw that heavy storms were all along our route to Tallahasee. Plus, the restaraunt in St. Aug. was closed! So, I had him replan to Lakeland, which met the reqs for the rating, and there is a great restaraunt there! Departed about an hour later after some storms passed, ate at Lakeland, and came home. I could not do that here, as I would probably have 3 more activities following the XC, and I don't want to leave anyone out if possible. Plus we have tight Pt 141 reqs that have to be met, and can only fly to "approved" airports. I'll always take the experience I gained flying outside of the university and give that to my students...or what they see when they go out and get that first job may be a surprise.

We're a bit protected here with practically new aircraft, a great maintenance staff, and supervisors/flight records staff to check all of our paperwork. It's a different world out there, and THAT is what we want students to be ready for. The main advantage we have is the internship programs...this industry is all about contacts, and internships during school are a great way to meet people, and we have alot of them readily available. The training is top notch (not to toot my own horn), and you rarely if ever have to worry about not having an aircraft/instructor available for flights. Also, I came out with 24 hrs in a B1900D sim and 16 hrs in a B737-800 sim, and I've heard from several regional recruiters this is "like gold." It should be, considering the money paid (loans) for it. Plus, classes on everything from electronic navigation to CRM to jets systems should make airline indoc training seem fairly familiar. I enjoyed it very much, and still am enjoying it (despite the loans!).

But as far as the university "name" getting you extra points during an interview...not likely, though some folks in the industry know us because they are grads from the various universities. That's what I know...

-Brock Sargeant
MEII

How much did the "golden" sim time cost you?