CAPT Program: Questions and Answers

[ComplexHiAv8r]

Is Seth checking this thread??????

[Seth_Beckhardt]

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Also, can a SEL COM pilot jump into the middle of CAPT?

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Yes. CAPT has retooled the Experienced Pilot program in order to fit the training needs of pilots who have acquired various levels of certificates and ratings. There are four levels and they range from entry at Private Pilot through CPL AMEL ASEL I.

The CAPT web site has further information at http://www.captprogram.org.

Edited for URL, click on 'Cost' to go to the information regarding the Experienced Pilot program.

Regards,

Seth

[ComplexHiAv8r]

Thanks but I get this error on the link.

Sorry. The requested page has moved or no longer exists on this server. Please try one of the above menu choices or our site search to find the page you wanted to see

I will try and access via the website direct later.

[Seth_Beckhardt]

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Anyone? Beuler?

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If someone asked a question about CAPT, he'd probably pop up again. This thread has deviated so far from the original subject, I don't think he's had any reason to post anything.

Let's give it a try.

Seth, how's the success rate been lately? How many CAPT grads hired last month? Who hired them?

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As of today, July 1st, 50% of our graduates have been hired. The airlines include ASA, Piedmont and Focus Air. One graduate was hired as a corporate pilot. Of the remaining graduates, 5 airlines have asked for their packets and we are confident that upwards of 75% will be hired from that group.

Since we did not have a graduating class in June, no one was hired during the past month.

Regards,

Seth

[JEP]

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Thanks but I get this error on the link.

Sorry. The requested page has moved or no longer exists on this server. Please try one of the above menu choices or our site search to find the page you wanted to see

I will try and access via the website direct later.

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Use this link. The error was a result of the . at the end of the url.

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The CAPT web site has further information at http://www.captprogram.org


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[project7]

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50% of our graduates have been hired. The airlines include ASA, Piedmont and Focus Air.

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50% of the total number of graduates from the program to date?

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One graduate was hired as a corporate pilot

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Doing what? Right seat in a Kingair? Corporate, or just something other than airline?

[project7]

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50% of our graduates have been hired

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Just for statistic purposes, can you give us an idea of how many people have enrolled in CAPT to date?

[Seth_Beckhardt]

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50% of our graduates have been hired. The airlines include ASA, Piedmont and Focus Air.

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50% of the total number of graduates from the program to date?

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One graduate was hired as a corporate pilot

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Doing what? Right seat in a Kingair? Corporate, or just something other than airline?

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50% of the total number of graduates, correct. Yes, he was hired by a private corporation, but I'll have to get back to you to find out what kind of airplane he is flying.

Regards,

Seth

[Seth_Beckhardt]

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50% of our graduates have been hired

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Just for statistic purposes, can you give us an idea of how many people have enrolled in CAPT to date?

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I will get back to you after the holiday weekend so I can get an exact number.

Regards,

Seth

[project7]

Thanks Seth, have a good 4th.

[ComplexHiAv8r]

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click on 'Cost' to go to the information regarding the Experienced Pilot program.

Regards,

Seth

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I did that and basically it says call our representatives, why didn't you just say that?

[ERJ-135]

I'm with Doug and DE727UPS as an alumni of ERAU. I was there in the good ol' days and left in "76" . Believe me when I say that things have changed since I did my last flight in a Cessna 310 which Riddle used for multi training. Back then the flight cost was not that much different than the local FBO. My, my, have times changed. I see where Riddle suits have figured the cash cow of flight training and, along with high high cost per credit, hour stick it to the uneducated. It makes not difference where the degree was obtained. Just go out and get one. I have researched aviation degrees and which schools offer an aviation degree if that is what you want. There is a school in Utah that offers an on-line degree for around $22,000 and it is fully accredited. A person could stay at home, take flying lessons, and attend college at the same time. It is the lowest cost way to earn a degree and the necessary flight training.

[BCTAv8r]

I have a question.


What's with that DC-9 type rating?

[rausda27]

Apparently to "prove" that they are trainable, this told to me by a CAPT grad.

[Seth_Beckhardt]

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click on 'Cost' to go to the information regarding the Experienced Pilot program.

Regards,

Seth

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I did that and basically it says call our representatives, why didn't you just say that?

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Because I'm not here to recruit.

[project7]

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click on 'Cost' to go to the information regarding the Experienced Pilot program.

Regards,

Seth


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I did that and basically it says call our representatives, why didn't you just say that?


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Why can't the actual costs be listed on the CAPT website?

What are the actual costs?

[ComplexHiAv8r]

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click on 'Cost' to go to the information regarding the Experienced Pilot program.

Regards,

Seth

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I did that and basically it says call our representatives, why didn't you just say that?

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Because I'm not here to recruit.

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Ok, thats fine, but you could of just said contact recruitment for entering the program already with some flying experience.

I wait to see the response on the other posts before calling.

[Ralgha]

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I wait to see the response on the other posts before calling.

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There're quite a few valid questions that have not been answered yet too.

[DE727UPS]

Look. You guys are expecting waaaay to much out of Seth. He's pretty high up in CAPT and will steer away from anything that requires a hard answer that might not put CAPT in a good light. Like I said before, he's a PR guy (not that there is anything wrong with that). What do you expect?

He's not going to tell you anything that could possibly put the CAPT program in a negative light, especially since so many of the professional pilots at jetcareers don't like their program. End of story....

[Ralgha]

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Look. You guys are expecting waaaay to much out of Seth. He's pretty high up in CAPT and will steer away from anything that requires a hard answer that might not put CAPT in a good light. Like I said before, he's a PR guy (not that there is anything wrong with that). What do you expect?

He's not going to tell you anything that could possibly put the CAPT program in a negative light, especially since so many of the professional pilots at jetcareers don't like their program. End of story....

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I completely agree, however, in the very first post, Seth did say:

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As you have probably guessed, we have been monitoring the threads at JetCareers regarding the program and I've been given the opportunity to address the questions and concerns about the program. Two ground rules about any submissions or threads, I will not answer personal attacks on anyone at the program and I will not answer any questions about the recently settled lawsuit. Other than that everything is fair game.

With that in mind, feel free to ask me anything and I will answer (or debate) to the best of my ability.

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The very least he could do is acknowledge the questions, even if it is just to say that he can not answer it. Currently he has not lived up to his word.

[Seth_Beckhardt]

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Look. You guys are expecting waaaay to much out of Seth. He's pretty high up in CAPT and will steer away from anything that requires a hard answer that might not put CAPT in a good light. Like I said before, he's a PR guy (not that there is anything wrong with that). What do you expect?

He's not going to tell you anything that could possibly put the CAPT program in a negative light, especially since so many of the professional pilots at jetcareers don't like their program. End of story....

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I completely agree, however, in the very first post, Seth did say:

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As you have probably guessed, we have been monitoring the threads at JetCareers regarding the program and I've been given the opportunity to address the questions and concerns about the program. Two ground rules about any submissions or threads, I will not answer personal attacks on anyone at the program and I will not answer any questions about the recently settled lawsuit. Other than that everything is fair game.

With that in mind, feel free to ask me anything and I will answer (or debate) to the best of my ability.

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The very least he could do is acknowledge the questions, even if it is just to say that he can not answer it. Currently he has not lived up to his word.

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First off, I apologize for not being on the forum as much lately - I've been heads down at work and I'm finishing up a Masters degree course which is consuming a good deal of my free time.

On to your questions:

The total number of students that have started the program since inception is 90.

There have been a total of 26 graduates of the program from those 90. 18 are now employed. A total of 5 graduates were hired in July.

If you would like to discuss prices, please contact Al Astbury at 1-877-577-2278. He will be happy to discuss the experienced pilot program, the different levels that one can come in at, and the price structure.

Finally, the standing invitation still stands for anyone who wishes to talk to our students and staff.

Regards,

Seth

[Flatline]

Those are certainly some interesting numbers. Why would anyone pay such coinage for the program?

[Seth_Beckhardt]

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Those are certainly some interesting numbers. Why would anyone pay such coinage for the program?

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Students choose to enter CAPT to get comprehensive pilot training in a disciplined environment that mirrors the airline culture and training footprint. This in turn, accelerates placement at the regional airlines, which, over time, improves compensation, seniority and quality of life.

Update: Two more of our graduates have been placed with employers bringing the total for July to 7 and an overall placement (of our graduates) to 20 out of 26. The remainder are currently scheduled for interviews.

Regards,

Seth

[Flatline]

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Why would anyone pay such coinage for the program?

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. . . [because it] accelerates placement [ . . . ], which, over time, improves compensation, seniority and quality of life.

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Translation: You are paying an earnings-acceleration premium. I would be interested to see a discounted net present value comparison analysis which compares the following:

1. Discounted net present value of total lifetime earnings via CAPT route, accounting for both the cost and the benefit of the acceleration premium.

2. Discounted net present value of total lifetime earnings via FBO instruction route, accounting for lifetime interest earned on the money that otherwise would have been spent as the acceleration premium.

[DE727UPS]

"Translation: You are paying an earnings-acceleration premium."

Further translation: You can pay a heck of a lot of money to buy yourself an interview, 300 hours, and a big jet type rating, at CAPT.

OR

You can follow non-airline culture and training footprint, spend a lot less money, spend some time as a CFI, and end up in the same place. Not to mention, in my opinion, you'll be a much more well rounded pilot than if you went to CAPT.

It might take you a year longer to get to the regionals, thereby sacrificing some seniority and quality of life. However, you can take pride in the fact you didn't need your flight academy to "place" you in a job, but that you earned the right to that interview through hours spent teaching others the art of flying. Sort of like how a 767 Captain teaches a new F/O.

To answer your question, though. If it took a year longer to get to the regionals via the traditional route, you'd be out a year of first year regional F/O pay. That's about what you can make as a CFI. Then, you'd be behind a year on your Capts upgrade, but many people bypass upgrades for quality of life reasons. So it's really up to the individual. In a perfect world, you'd extend the model out until age 60 and then you could say you had an extra year at top salary, maybe 140K. For that to be accurate, though, you'd have to upgrade to higher paying equipment and the left seat at the first chance you get and it seems to me that those who do that are the ones with the worst quality of life....you're always the junior guy on the list.

Another reason to consider the CFI route. Every check airman I've ever known has been a CFI at one time. Airline check airmen make more money than regular line captains. Also, being a check airman sets you apart when looking to move up to a major.