Importance of a Riddle Degree

coldsolderjoint · October 25th, 2004, 15:27

Hi,

Im currently attending Embry-Riddle in Daytona as a first year Aeronautical Science major. Im not liking the flight training so far and Im thinking about changing majors to Aerospace studies which is a program where you take three minors and make it a major. And then, Ill fly at one of the local FBO's

My question is how important is the Degree from Riddle that Says "Aeronautical Science" on it? Will this affect my ability to get a pilot job?

Or is the main factor that you have a 4 year degree and enough PIC time in the aircraft you want to fly? Does the type of degree and from where really matter?

Thanks

Eddie

montanapilot · October 25th, 2004, 18:11

it doesnt matter one bit. Your degree could be in Poetry for all the airlines care. ERAU however doesnt want people to know this tidbit of information.

To break it down further they dont care if you did part 141 or 61 training either.

Doug Taylor · October 25th, 2004, 18:17

You know what's funny? Is that I'm not sure if ERAU was part-61 or part-141 during my tenure there. Nothing wrong with part-61 -- after all, you need the time, right?

coldsolderjoint · October 25th, 2004, 18:27

yeah, I was thinking about the amount of time I would get.

Im think the plan for me would be to try to get into corporate aviation, yes, I know its hard and networking is invaluable, so thats why I was wondering if the AS degree may help in getting a corporate job.

On the current sheduale of my private class, I will have the dual cross contry completead before I go home for christmas, hopefully, I would have private before summer.

Im averaging about 1 flight (2 hours) a week at riddle. I have done mostly simulator time here.

I have failed 2 out of the 3 flights Ive taken here. By not doing things to standards. The last flight for instance was ground ref and the plane was not 90 degrees to the road. So I Wanted to keep doing it till I got it right. I only got two tries and then had to move on to other things on the syllabus for that flight. I dont know if its my flight instructor or just the way riddle works.

Before I make the deccision I think im going to go talk to the training manager and go talk to the local FBO's and see how much time they could put me on for a week.

BTW, Doug, I found your website and Im using some of the info you provided in the "flying corporate" section in a research papper for my ASC 101 class.

DE727UPS · October 25th, 2004, 23:40

Dude. Nobody cares what your degree is in. You'll save a lot of money and be able to fly more if you don't fly at Riddle. You'll have more fun, too.

Stone Cold · October 27th, 2004, 15:22

[ QUOTE ]
You'll have more fun, too

[/ QUOTE ] Not sure about that one....DAB alumni and I had a blast (I even went to a couple of classes

) for the first year or two there, of course, like everything the novelty wears off after a while.

Enjoy your time there, but yes save your money, especially with this 142 stuff they're doing now.

If you really need the Riddle name on your degree, do like others and go Distance Learning or internet classes and get flight training at an FBO.

Edited for spelling

coldsolderjoint · October 27th, 2004, 19:29

well i took another flight and past it, i talked to my instructor about changing schools and he said if i do decide to change flying schools, that he can fly part 61 off campus. What do you guys think? Im going to check out both falcon and phoneix east tommorow, so well see how this all turns out.

cessna2351 · October 28th, 2004, 00:18

There are a bunch of small part 61 schools around this area. I've seen ads for many but can't name any. I know Ormand Beach has a couple as well as New Smyrna. I have a friend who flies out of Spruce Creek and says its a great program, I can get more info for ya if you want.

coldsolderjoint · October 28th, 2004, 03:11

yeah, that would be great, i was looking at the list on www.beapilot.com and only falcon and phoenix seemed to be worth it.. but sure, ill take info if you got it.. thanks

avi8tor · October 28th, 2004, 08:43

coldsolderjoint-Is Chip Huff still the training manager in Daytona?

coldsolderjoint · October 29th, 2004, 03:34

dont see him in the FOM, other then that, i dont know

veer · November 19th, 2004, 18:56

The only problem with these Universities is that their flight training is not what ends up being important, its the degree that is important. If u got the money i would suggest continue @ ERAU and go to a local FBO. From what math i have done their flight training ends up costing roughly about $40,000 @ ERAU and about $50,000 @ UND (which i think has better flight training). So its basically the degree where all ur $$$ goes.
Also something i noticed was that ERAU has just one small page where they give u a general overview of their flight training and there is not much info about that on their packages they send out. Whereas UND does that very well.

Later
tj

P.S: Get ur A.S and then get an online degree. Oh wait but riddle found a way to rip off there too. They only offer online t o students outside the US. In the US u either go to their Extended Campus or main ones, or maybe thas only for international students.

kellwolf · November 19th, 2004, 21:42

[ QUOTE ]
They only offer online t o students outside the US.

[/ QUOTE ]

Wrong. I'm an online student (and so was EatSleepFly), and I live inside the US. Hell, I lived in ORLANDO and was doing online classes less than an hour away from the campus. In all honesty, though the Riddle degree is just a piece of paper much like any other degree from an accredited college. The only people that say they help you any more than another college degree are the marketting department at Riddle and Riddle grads that are looking for a job.

EatSleepFly · November 20th, 2004, 00:42

[ QUOTE ]
(and so was EatSleepFly)

[/ QUOTE ]

Still am, whenever I scrounge up enough to take a class.

The idea- if I can ever get a halfway decent, steady job in this damn industry- is to finish my B.S. and keep rollin' on through to eventually get my M.S. in AeroSci.

As for the importance of a Riddle degree compared to any others? Zip, zero, zilch. Probably get you more snide remarks than respect in the industry. ERAU and its students' reputation is changing for the worse (ahem...CrAPT).

veer · November 20th, 2004, 05:17

Maybe thats only for international students then ? Cuz i called their distance learning office, they said i wud have to attend either an extended campus or main campus if i were to come to the US.

Later
tj

kellwolf · November 20th, 2004, 12:40

There's a possibility that if you come to the US for school you might have to go to one of the campuses for Visa purposes. Most of the international people I know taking courses are US military therefore US citizens.

veer · November 20th, 2004, 17:21

Waaaaaa

International people can join the US Air Force ? How when where Sign me up hahah.

Later
tj

Screaming_Emu · November 22nd, 2004, 17:37

[ QUOTE ]

If you really need the Riddle name on your degree, do like others and go Distance Learning or internet classes and get flight training at an FBO.

[/ QUOTE ]

or use a crayon!

Doug Taylor · November 22nd, 2004, 20:22

Hey! I resemble that comment!

kellwolf · November 22nd, 2004, 20:30

[ QUOTE ]
or use a crayon!

[/ QUOTE ]

Just make sure the crayon is TSO'd.

October 25th, 2004, 15:27	#1
coldsolderjoint Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 33	Importance of a Riddle Degree Hi, Im currently attending Embry-Riddle in Daytona as a first year Aeronautical Science major. Im not liking the flight training so far and Im thinking about changing majors to Aerospace studies which is a program where you take three minors and make it a major. And then, Ill fly at one of the local FBO's My question is how important is the Degree from Riddle that Says "Aeronautical Science" on it? Will this affect my ability to get a pilot job? Or is the main factor that you have a 4 year degree and enough PIC time in the aircraft you want to fly? Does the type of degree and from where really matter? Thanks Eddie

October 25th, 2004, 18:11	#2
montanapilot Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portland, Orygun Posts: 1,640	Re: Importance of a Riddle Degree it doesnt matter one bit. Your degree could be in Poetry for all the airlines care. ERAU however doesnt want people to know this tidbit of information. To break it down further they dont care if you did part 141 or 61 training either.

October 25th, 2004, 18:17	#3
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,540 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Importance of a Riddle Degree You know what's funny? Is that I'm not sure if ERAU was part-61 or part-141 during my tenure there. Nothing wrong with part-61 -- after all, you need the time, right?

October 25th, 2004, 18:27	#4
coldsolderjoint Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 33	Re: Importance of a Riddle Degree yeah, I was thinking about the amount of time I would get. Im think the plan for me would be to try to get into corporate aviation, yes, I know its hard and networking is invaluable, so thats why I was wondering if the AS degree may help in getting a corporate job. On the current sheduale of my private class, I will have the dual cross contry completead before I go home for christmas, hopefully, I would have private before summer. Im averaging about 1 flight (2 hours) a week at riddle. I have done mostly simulator time here. I have failed 2 out of the 3 flights Ive taken here. By not doing things to standards. The last flight for instance was ground ref and the plane was not 90 degrees to the road. So I Wanted to keep doing it till I got it right. I only got two tries and then had to move on to other things on the syllabus for that flight. I dont know if its my flight instructor or just the way riddle works. Before I make the deccision I think im going to go talk to the training manager and go talk to the local FBO's and see how much time they could put me on for a week. BTW, Doug, I found your website and Im using some of the info you provided in the "flying corporate" section in a research papper for my ASC 101 class.

October 25th, 2004, 23:40	#5
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,517	Re: Importance of a Riddle Degree Dude. Nobody cares what your degree is in. You'll save a lot of money and be able to fly more if you don't fly at Riddle. You'll have more fun, too.

October 27th, 2004, 15:22	#6
Stone Cold Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SE US Posts: 2,975	Re: Importance of a Riddle Degree [ QUOTE ] You'll have more fun, too [/ QUOTE ] Not sure about that one....DAB alumni and I had a blast (I even went to a couple of classes ) for the first year or two there, of course, like everything the novelty wears off after a while. Enjoy your time there, but yes save your money, especially with this 142 stuff they're doing now. If you really need the Riddle name on your degree, do like others and go Distance Learning or internet classes and get flight training at an FBO. Edited for spelling

October 27th, 2004, 19:29	#7
coldsolderjoint Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 33	Re: Importance of a Riddle Degree well i took another flight and past it, i talked to my instructor about changing schools and he said if i do decide to change flying schools, that he can fly part 61 off campus. What do you guys think? Im going to check out both falcon and phoneix east tommorow, so well see how this all turns out.

October 28th, 2004, 00:18	#8
cessna2351 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Daytona Beach/Cleveland, OH Posts: 637	Re: Importance of a Riddle Degree There are a bunch of small part 61 schools around this area. I've seen ads for many but can't name any. I know Ormand Beach has a couple as well as New Smyrna. I have a friend who flies out of Spruce Creek and says its a great program, I can get more info for ya if you want.

October 28th, 2004, 03:11	#9
coldsolderjoint Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 33	Re: Importance of a Riddle Degree yeah, that would be great, i was looking at the list on www.beapilot.com and only falcon and phoenix seemed to be worth it.. but sure, ill take info if you got it.. thanks

October 28th, 2004, 08:43	#10
avi8tor Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Chicago, ILL. Posts: 432	Re: Importance of a Riddle Degree coldsolderjoint-Is Chip Huff still the training manager in Daytona?

October 29th, 2004, 03:34	#11
coldsolderjoint Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 33	Re: Importance of a Riddle Degree dont see him in the FOM, other then that, i dont know

November 19th, 2004, 18:56	#12
veer Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 46	Re: Importance of a Riddle Degree The only problem with these Universities is that their flight training is not what ends up being important, its the degree that is important. If u got the money i would suggest continue @ ERAU and go to a local FBO. From what math i have done their flight training ends up costing roughly about $40,000 @ ERAU and about $50,000 @ UND (which i think has better flight training). So its basically the degree where all ur $$$ goes. Also something i noticed was that ERAU has just one small page where they give u a general overview of their flight training and there is not much info about that on their packages they send out. Whereas UND does that very well. Later tj P.S: Get ur A.S and then get an online degree. Oh wait but riddle found a way to rip off there too. They only offer online t o students outside the US. In the US u either go to their Extended Campus or main ones, or maybe thas only for international students.

November 19th, 2004, 21:42	#13
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,667	Re: Importance of a Riddle Degree [ QUOTE ] They only offer online t o students outside the US. [/ QUOTE ] Wrong. I'm an online student (and so was EatSleepFly), and I live inside the US. Hell, I lived in ORLANDO and was doing online classes less than an hour away from the campus. In all honesty, though the Riddle degree is just a piece of paper much like any other degree from an accredited college. The only people that say they help you any more than another college degree are the marketting department at Riddle and Riddle grads that are looking for a job.

November 20th, 2004, 00:42	#14
EatSleepFly Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ?? Posts: 4,600	Re: Importance of a Riddle Degree [ QUOTE ] (and so was EatSleepFly) [/ QUOTE ] Still am, whenever I scrounge up enough to take a class. The idea- if I can ever get a halfway decent, steady job in this damn industry- is to finish my B.S. and keep rollin' on through to eventually get my M.S. in AeroSci. As for the importance of a Riddle degree compared to any others? Zip, zero, zilch. Probably get you more snide remarks than respect in the industry. ERAU and its students' reputation is changing for the worse (ahem...CrAPT).

November 20th, 2004, 05:17	#15
veer Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 46	Re: Importance of a Riddle Degree Maybe thats only for international students then ? Cuz i called their distance learning office, they said i wud have to attend either an extended campus or main campus if i were to come to the US. Later tj

November 20th, 2004, 12:40	#16
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,667	Re: Importance of a Riddle Degree There's a possibility that if you come to the US for school you might have to go to one of the campuses for Visa purposes. Most of the international people I know taking courses are US military therefore US citizens.

November 20th, 2004, 17:21	#17
veer Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 46	Re: Importance of a Riddle Degree Waaaaaa International people can join the US Air Force ? How when where Sign me up hahah. Later tj

November 22nd, 2004, 17:37	#18
Screaming_Emu Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 3,254	Re: Importance of a Riddle Degree [ QUOTE ] If you really need the Riddle name on your degree, do like others and go Distance Learning or internet classes and get flight training at an FBO. [/ QUOTE ] or use a crayon!

November 22nd, 2004, 20:22	#19
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,540 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Importance of a Riddle Degree Hey! I resemble that comment!

November 22nd, 2004, 20:30	#20
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,667	Re: Importance of a Riddle Degree [ QUOTE ] or use a crayon! [/ QUOTE ] Just make sure the crayon is TSO'd.

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