Terminal selected folks...info

[ATLTRACON]

Hey Mr./Mrs. Moderator. How about we "sticky" this Forum. This information is useful to any and all who are going to become controllers.

[Spokepoke]

Second this...

[SteveC]

If you guys say it's good stuff...

...sticky'ed.

[indyserpico10]

ATLTRACON- do you know if the 7110.65 is available for purchase anywhere offhand? My printer would go kaput printing this out. My parents would cripple me for preinting it out and my job would probably fire me. LOL its like 600 pages. I've skimmed but would prefer an actual manual to sit down with.

[utahaviator]

Originally Posted by indyserpico10

ATLTRACON- do you know if the 7110.65 is available for purchase anywhere offhand? My printer would go kaput printing this out. My parents would cripple me for preinting it out and my job would probably fire me. LOL its like 600 pages. I've skimmed but would prefer an actual manual to sit down with.

I just checked into sending the file to Kinko's or Staples and having it printed and bound. It's in the ballpark of $50-$60. I'm definitely considering it unless we can buy it cheaper elsewhere...

[utahaviator]

Here's an update I just found online from U.S. Government Bookstore: http://bookstore.gpo.gov/actions/Get...50-002-00000-0

cost is $116.00 if bought direct from the government. So.... ya!! Hope this helps!

[indyserpico10]

Man.... Kinko's sounds like a better option because I get like a 40% discount there. 116.00 is just a BIT steep. If anyone finds anything PLEASE share

[ATLTRACON]

Originally Posted by indyserpico10

ATLTRACON- do you know if the 7110.65 is available for purchase anywhere offhand? My printer would go kaput printing this out. My parents would cripple me for preinting it out and my job would probably fire me. LOL its like 600 pages. I've skimmed but would prefer an actual manual to sit down with.

The only option sounds like the Kinko's route. We can't even get one if we wanted one. Everything has gone "paperless".

[kcarpentier]

i printed mine out at work, i'd print like a chapter each day my boss uses so much paper, no one would notice a missing ream, anyway

[mmroberson]

Or, save your money/paper until you reach the Academy and you'll receive a .65 at no charge, on the U.S. government's dollar.

[wve_iii]

Ok for enroute I heard someone said to get the maps and learn the jet routes and the victor routes? is this right? I found a map of the ZFW Airspace on skyvector and there was a high alt and a low alt Im assuming the Jet routes are on the high alt and the Victors are on the Low alt? Are those the only thing I have to remember? Or also VOR, TACAN, VORTAC names and locations?? The maps are for the entire airspace in ZFW so i need to worry about know what specific sectors are right now or just start on the routes?

[ATLTRACON]

Originally Posted by wve_iii

Ok for enroute I heard someone said to get the maps and learn the jet routes and the victor routes? is this right? I found a map of the ZFW Airspace on skyvector and there was a high alt and a low alt Im assuming the Jet routes are on the high alt and the Victors are on the Low alt? Are those the only thing I have to remember? Or also VOR, TACAN, VORTAC names and locations?? The maps are for the entire airspace in ZFW so i need to worry about know what specific sectors are right now or just start on the routes?

These are the things you will have to know on the map, in no particular order.

1. Jet Routes
2. Victor Routes
3. Intersections
4. Any Color Routes (oceanic, etc)
5. ALL NAVAIDS, NDB's, VOR's, VORTAC's, TACAN's, etc. names & frequencies.
6. Once you get your specific area - certain approaches including inbound radial, MIA, etc.
7. MIA's, MVA's MOCA's, etc.
8. radials of the airways and Jetroutes
9. adjacent frequencies UHF/VHF

When you first get there you will have to draw the entire ZFW airspace which may consist of hundreds of intersections, navaids, airways and the like. After that you will be told which Area you're going to and then you really concentrate on just your area.

And this is just the TIP of the iceberg.

[wve_iii]

Cool im sure that will at least get me started... lol. Thanks for all the info. I know it a little of topic but while in developemental/training do you get OT/Night and Sunday pay? What kind of hrs while in training? M-F 8-5 or do they put you on shift work right away?

[ATLTRACON]

Originally Posted by wve_iii

Cool im sure that will at least get me started... lol. Thanks for all the info. I know it a little of topic but while in developemental/training do you get OT/Night and Sunday pay? What kind of hrs while in training? M-F 8-5 or do they put you on shift work right away?

While in classroom training you are usually on an 8.5 hour day, M-F 0700-1530, no pay for lunch. Once you go to the floor you will be on rotating shifts with Night and Sunday. No OT until you at least get checked out on two positions.

[Acey97]

Just to clarify, we can get the low and high-altitude sectionals and start from there? Or is there a specific map just for ZTL airspace? I am only familiar with the sectional charts and I guess ZTL overlaps onto several of those.

[hudson26]

I'm trying to follow this thread, all this applies to TERMINAL ?

[sub-stdrd phrsology girl]

Originally Posted by Acey97

Just to clarify, we can get the low and high-altitude sectionals and start from there? Or is there a specific map just for ZTL airspace? I am only familiar with the sectional charts and I guess ZTL overlaps onto several of those.

You can sort of guess where the boundaries are for ZTL on a sectional so it might be a good place to start, but the low and high altitude maps that you are given at the center distinguish sector boundaries, the maps look alot clearer (at least to me) since it's on a white background, and the information you need to know (restrictions, MEAs, MOAs, radials, frequencies etc.) is more clearly presented than on the sectionals.

100 donuts for the actual ZTL maps

[ATLTRACON]

Originally Posted by hudson26

I'm trying to follow this thread, all this applies to TERMINAL ?

For an ARTCC use this info:


These are the things you will have to know on the ARTCC map, in no particular order.

1. Jet Routes
2. Victor Routes
3. Intersections
4. Any Color Routes (oceanic, etc)
5. ALL NAVAIDS, NDB's, VOR's, VORTAC's, TACAN's, etc. names & frequencies.
6. Once you get your specific area - certain approaches including inbound radial, MIA, etc.
7. MIA's, MVA's MOCA's, etc.
8. radials of the airways and Jetroutes
9. adjacent frequencies UHF/VHF

When you first get there you will have to draw the entire ARTCC airspace which may consist of hundreds of intersections, navaids, airways and the like. After that you will be told which Area you're going to and then you really concentrate on just your area.

[Sooner1ATC]

Originally Posted by ATLTRACON

No OT until you at least get checked out on two positions.

Being checked out of two positions means you are at D2 or something different?

[ATLTRACON]

Originally Posted by Sooner1ATC

Being checked out of two positions means you are at D2 or something different?

That's D1
http://forums.jetcareers.com/air-tra...pay-scale.html

[Sooner1ATC]

Originally Posted by ATLTRACON

That's D1
http://forums.jetcareers.com/air-tra...pay-scale.html

Thanks much!!

[GnW]

Originally Posted by ATLTRACON

When I went through ZBW in the mid '80's you had to learn the entire ATRCC's airspace first, then your specific area. We had something like 700+ intersections, 200+ VOR's, etc. Mind numbing. You deal with all altitudes. Sometimes you own to the surface. Then the controller above you owns 110-170 (11,000 to 17,000) and then they guy above you owns FL180 to FL310 then an ultra high sector above that.

sounds like you were in area A

RKA DNY ART anyone?

[ATLTRACON]

Originally Posted by GnW

sounds like you were in area A

RKA DNY ART anyone?

Area E

[GnW]

Originally Posted by ATLTRACON

Area E

busy, but at least you didnt have to sit in coffin corner


standing in athens

[PRSATC]

hey atl, you mentioned before a website for sop's/loa's. do you by chance know it? also, for anybody interested or are headin to ORD or ORD TRACON, heres a cool link: http://bigairport.com/bigair_content.php