HIRED!

[JAM]

What a great past week. All nine of my friends who interviewed from the Academy were hired by Comair Airlines. Just wanted to say congrats to all of them (some of whom are in their second day of first officer training).

For anyone looking for an academy for flight training, this should tell you something. It takes quite a lot of work to get to that point, but the fact that we are getting hired on a regular basis in these times still amazes me.

[speedman]

Good to see the program actually work out and not be a waste of $$$! By the way, are any of the other Delta Connection carriers hiring from the academy?

[JAM]

Yes. Chautauqua is also hiring our instructors.

[Doug Taylor]

Couldn't resist. Sorry, carry on.

[pavelump]

snap.

[yankee_one]

yeah... with ignorant comments like that I tend to think dougy has SNAPped myself.

Hey Doug... your village called... they're missing their idiot.

Sorry.. couldn't resist.. carry on!

[farwellbooth]

Seems like a red flag to me when a guy with 10 posts says that 10 people were hired ("all my friends", ok red bull##### flag)...

[Doug Taylor]

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yeah... with ignorant comments like that I tend to think dougy has SNAPped myself.

Hey Doug... your village called... they're missing their idiot.

Sorry.. couldn't resist.. carry on!



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??? HUH?! ???

[pavelump]

? me no gettie...

Are you calling Doug an idiot? If so, the Jerk store called, they're out of YOU!

BAm!

Dave

[Doug Taylor]

Perhaps I was. Hmm, somebody don't like his forum access too much, do he?

[Cleared_ILS_RWY_9L]

Actually-
I only know one guy who finished his 800 hrs of duel that interveiwed and *DIDN'T* get hired by an airline. I've been posting here since the begining of 2001. I'm sure there are others, but I never flew with them, and I certainly didn't fly with everybody there. I talked with my PVT, INST, COMM, intructor the other day, he's flying the 70 seat RJ for Comair. He loves it.

*EDIT*
Personally, I wouldn't trade my 727 freighter FE job for an FO slot with any regional, but that's because I like freight a lot more. I've worked for a Regional for a year, like I said, freight is a lot better for me.

[yankee_one]

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Seems like a red flag to me when a guy with 10 posts says that 10 people were hired ("all my friends", ok red bull##### flag)...

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Well actually the number was nine. As to being his friends I have no idea, but again Comair did just hire 9 people from here, which makes over 40 pilots since January hired by Comair alone.

Doug, Sorry if you didn't like my response, but I'm tired of watching you try to make a negative about everything that happens here. I would think you would be happy for the people that are making it to the Airlines, not want to sit there and make light of them. Please correct me if I am wrong, but is Delta firing any pilots right now? I understand that many are on furlough, and maybe theres more to come, I don't know, but I don't think they are activly firing pilots.

If you want to take my access away, obviously you have that right, but then it would be so long for the freedom of expressions and opinions you like to say your webpage offers everyone.

[Doug Taylor]

Nah, I'm just more concerned that I've been called a idiot!

[AirborneMedic_ANGa10]

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Please correct me if I am wrong, but is Delta firing any pilots right now? I understand that many are on furlough, and maybe theres more to come, I don't know, but I don't think they are activly firing pilots.


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[soapbox]
They have over 1,000 pilots actively furloughed. Whether they fired pilots yesterday or today is irrelevant. They also just asked for a 22% wage concession, all this while expanding in other places (Song, management personnel, bonuses, regionals). If Delta gets the wage concession they want, my folks are probably going to have to file bankruptcy, at which point my father could get terminated by Delta for 'failing to keep his personal life in order'. Believe me, it's pretty hard to be positive towards 'good news', when management is basically giving the 'phuck you' to your career. Quit being selfish, remember that there are pilots with way more experience than yourself out there on the streets. There are guys out there who've been flying professionally for longer than you and I have been alive, whose careers are in very real jeopardy.
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[ready2fly]

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it's pretty hard to be positive towards 'good news', when management is basically giving the 'phuck you' to your career. Quit being selfish,

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So, let me get this straight - we get b*tched at for posting negative/political/non-aviation threads, but when somebody has the "audacity" to post news of folks getting hired in THIS economy.... that's SELFISH?!!?

WTF are we supposed to post then? Care to explain?

[bumflip]

right on bro...BTW, should I change my name back to CMARTIN so you will know who I am?

[Doug Taylor]

Is that you CMartin?

Dangit, next time you disappear, I am **NOT** erasing your posts! Man, what a pain in the ass! half of the database was *post deleted by Doug Taylor* and I had an inbox filled with "Where'd he go?"

[bumflip]

did you not see my "explanation" post? I fully explained myself! Don't yell at me...it hurts my eyes!

[ready2fly]

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right on bro...BTW, should I change my name back to CMARTIN so you will know who I am?

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Welcome back, C!!

BTW - I figured it out right after I went off on ya in the "gay" thread.

Good to see you're back though!!

DUDE - and WTF were you thinking?!?!? You're gonna make a GREAT living as a whirlybird captn'!!! GEEZ!!

Don't do that ##### again.

Welcome back, bro!

R2F

[AirborneMedic_ANGa10]

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it's pretty hard to be positive towards 'good news', when management is basically giving the 'phuck you' to your career. Quit being selfish,

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So, let me get this straight - we get b*tched at for posting negative/political/non-aviation threads, but when somebody has the "audacity" to post news of folks getting hired in THIS economy.... that's SELFISH?!!?

WTF are we supposed to post then? Care to explain?

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I think I did a pretty darn good job of explaining my position. Basically, Doug reminded Yankee that there are negative things going on in the industry, and Yankee said he was 'tired' of Doug being so negative. I was just standing by Doug's point by adding my own family's situation into the mix--which is anything but positive. It's great that people are getting hired, but there's a whole lot more negative news going on, and Yankee thinks that should be ignored. That was my point--show some empathy to those people that are getting the shaft. And don't downplay the #####storms that are taking place in the industry right now--someday it might be you!!

[Doug Taylor]

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did you not see my "explanation" post? I fully explained myself! Don't yell at me...it hurts my eyes!

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Oh I wasn't yellin' man! Good to have you back!

I forgot the <SARCASM></SARCASM> html tags around the post!

[ready2fly]

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It's great that people are getting hired, but there's a whole lot more negative news going on, and Yankee thinks that should be ignored. That was my point--show some empathy to those people that are getting the shaft. And don't downplay the #####storms that are taking place in the industry right now--someday it might be you!!

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Understood, but that's the whole point of sharing GOOD news isn't it? With the current economic condition being what it is, we've heard a LOT more of the bad than we have of the good.

As someone who is currently busting my ass... and my bank... to try to make it into the cockpit of an airliner one day, I, for one, am more pleased to hear the "up" side of things than the virtual avalanch of bad news that has been the aviation world over the past two years (and then some).

Believe me - I feel for you and your family. I know what it's like to be in a household with no money, but don't you think your rebuffage was a tad harsh?

Nobody wants Delta/UAL/American Airlines/ACA, etc. pilots on the street - that's the WORST thing a potential pilot wants to hear!

But, to be verbally beat down when that same pilot hears of GOOD news... well, lets just say that there neeeds to be some understanding on both sides of the street.

Can you live with that?

R2F

[Doug Taylor]

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Doug, Sorry if you didn't like my response, but I'm tired of watching you try to make a negative about everything that happens here..

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YankeeOne:

I think if you spend some time and re-read anything I've had to say about in this particular forum, I really haven't said anything specifically here that I haven't said in any other forum. In fact, publically or privately, if there's a specific sentence, quote or posting that you feel was exhaustively negative, let me know and I'll be more than willing to retract or reinforce what I've said.

To be quite frank, it'd be idiotic for me to hold my own alma mater's (ERAU) feet to the fire and pussyfoot around the other forums to make sure I don't upset anyone. I've even held one of my major advertisers (and I do mean major) feet to the fire a few times and things have gotten cleared up.

I did a search through the posts on the database and I think I've been fair and equitable to Comair, or Delta Connection Academy just as I've been to other flight schools. If you feel this is incorrect, please feel free to point it out to me and I'll certainly clear it up or give apology where due.

If I didn't "call it the way I see it", this website, especially the Flight School-specific forums would be nothing more than an extension of the Air Inc "Ten trillion cockpit jobs are going unfilled TODAY!" flotsam.

In my personal and professional opinion, unbalanced "glee" about the state of aviation profession is extremely detrimental to everyone, including those trying to work their way because then (and I'm not accusing Comair Academy in any way, shape, or form of this) every Tom, Dick and Harry pops up with a "get hired quick" scam to seperate starry eyed potential aviators away from their dollars.

To reiterate, re-read the italicized statement in the above paragraph. Last thing I need is more hate mail mixed in with my Nigerian and Viagra spam.

The comment about "...not enjoying your access..." was in response to the "village wanting their idiot back" comment. That was personal and I'll bet you a case of your favorite beer that any other webmaster would have cut your access on the spot ***without question***.

If you're tired of my candor, I'd like to say I'm sorry but I can't! that's just the way I am! A little humor mixed in with some sarcasm, mixed in with a dash of guarded optimism, folded in with a bit of skepticism is what the website is all about.

I hate to say it again because it got me embroiled into a laborous weeklong thread-busting flame war, but I've been there, seen that, bought the T-shirt and have a closet full of empty snake oil bottles to prove it.

Once again, if there's something I've said that mischaracterizes or misleads people or extraordinarily negative, please let me know and I'll review.

[AirborneMedic_ANGa10]

R2F,

Look we both have valid points here.
1) I never said sharing good news isn't allowed--like I said it's great.

2)There's nothing harsh about my response--the reality of the situation is what's harsh.

3)I didn't have a problem with Yankee sharing the news of his colleagues' relative success in getting hired--I said it before--it's great news.

4)I did have a problem with Yankee's apathetic attitude towards the real overall situation, and his viewpoint that Doug is just trying to be negative.

5)I'm just trying to add some raw realism to the situation. What I shared is what's really happening to many families in the airline industry. I just want people to realize that the overall situation in the industry <font color="red"> sucks </font> right now, and that there is a whole lot of bad stuff happening out there.

6)Everybody should remember that any one of us could be in the shoes of my father, having flown professionally for 33 years, 55.5 years old, and contemplating whether all of the sacrifices are going to pay off. I'm not trying to tell a 'poor me' sob story...I'm just trying to illustrate the facts. I believe that's what Doug is trying to do as well.

[Doug Taylor]

N6701_anga10-

I think there's always going to be a struggle to bridge the gap between what is actually taking place in the industry and those with an interest (both political and financial) to speak of otherwise.

There can be a break in the clouds and the vendors start selling sunglasses and sunscreen on the streets, but, as a meteorologist, if you mention the fact that there is a 99.999% chance of rain so you might want to consider taking a jacket and an umbrella tonight, the vendors are going to be pissed off that you dare mention the fact of an approaching rain storm.

See, as a meterologist, if you don't say anything, you're doing everyone a disservice by not telling the full story, but if you actually do mention the approaching storm, even though it's the dead of winter, people with a vested interest think you're a big meanie.

Like if I mention the following "Prepare yourself, there are no short cuts and keep debt low while training" -- I can virtually guarantee that'll generate at least three disgruntled emails in the next 30 minutes. I've been doing this internet thing since 1997 so it's highly predictable!