"700 hours to flying a jet"

[DE727UPS]

That's the latest claim I read in flight training mag. Someone want to explain if this is a new program or what? I thought you had to work as a CFI at DCA for 800 hours before you were released from your contract and could get the guaranteed interview.

[hobo]

hey ups
that is the new variation on the program. known as the 10 plus 4 program or jet direct depending on who you talk to. basically same program as a student ppl-cfii then interview and get hired as flight instructor for dca take standz break and come back and instruct 400 hours and then choose either to instruct 400 more hours or to go through the expanded jet transition course for $11263.00

anyone on here done this yet? i know some people have and im a little hazy on the exact process but i understood it to be that at 400 dual given you interview with an airline and get a conditional hire based on your completion of the course then you do the course and go to the airline.

[tomahawk1]

The way the 10+4 program works is like this: As you mentioned, you will go through the program from PPL to CFII (or from whatever ratings you start the academy). You'll probably finish the training program in about 10 to 12 months. with around 250 hours. Get hired on as a flight instructor and complete Standz class. Once you earn 350 to 400 hours of dual given out of 800 you can then choose to interview with either Comair, Express Jets, American Eagle, Trans States, Commute Air, AirNet. Once you are given a letter of hire from which ever airline you were hired from, you then come back to DCA to complete your MEI and the 10+4 bridge program. After that, you go right into First Officer training with that airline. The difference between the traditional bridge program and the 10+4 bridge, is that in the 10+4 you pay for some additional multi-engine time to get your multi time built up to 100 hours doing LOFT senerios and CRJ Jet Sim time which is why it is around $12K. The academy does give a credit of up to $6200 for it and the traditional jet course. While the traditional route you would have been paid to have your hours built up to 100 or more instructing in the multi group. Going back to the 10+4: once you finish the 10+4 bridge, you go right into the next First Officer class with that airline at around 700 hours.
If you didn't get hired with that airline, you can do one of 2 things: Either interview with another 10+4 airline or continue the traditional route.l

To date we have placed 18 out of 18 through 10+4 in the last 3 months with Comair, Express Jets, Trans States and American Eagle.

[SmitteyB]

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The way the 10+4 program works is like this: As you mentioned, you will go through the program from PPL to CFII (or from whatever ratings you start the academy). You'll probably finish the training program in about 10 to 12 months. with around 250 hours. Get hired on as a flight instructor and complete Standz class. Once you earn 350 to 400 hours of dual given out of 800 you can then choose to interview with either Comair, Express Jets, American Eagle, Trans States, Commute Air, AirNet. Once you are given a letter of hire from which ever airline you were hired from, you then come back to DCA to complete your MEI and the 10+4 bridge program. After that, you go right into First Officer training with that airline. The difference between the traditional bridge program and the 10+4 bridge, is that in the 10+4 you pay for some additional multi-engine time to get your multi time built up to 100 hours doing LOFT senerios and CRJ Jet Sim time which is why it is around $12K. The academy does give a credit of up to $6200 for it and the traditional jet course. While the traditional route you would have been paid to have your hours built up to 100 or more instructing in the multi group. Going back to the 10+4: once you finish the 10+4 bridge, you go right into the next First Officer class with that airline at around 700 hours.
If you didn't get hired with that airline, you can do one of 2 things: Either interview with another 10+4 airline or continue the traditional route.l

To date we have placed 18 out of 18 through 10+4 in the last 3 months with Comair, Express Jets, Trans States and American Eagle.

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That might possibly be the worst idea I've ever heard of.

[Guidetothesky]

Who's on First?

[chrisdahut1]

I know of one or two people who did this. Personally I don't like it, and think it's a horrible deal financially. I think people are selling their souls to get into a jet even quicker then they already can and it's unnecessary.

Starting new hire training with 1200 and 100 already made me feel extremely low time when compared to most other new hires.....I can't imagine how the 500 hr guys must feel.

[NJA_Capt]

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...once you finish the 10+4 bridge, you go right into the next First Officer class with...700 hours.

To date we have placed 18 out of 18 through 10+4 in the last 3 months

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This is NOT what I want to hear. It's bad enough to ride in the back these days, it doesn't make it better that the person in the right seat has 700 hours.

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I can't imagine how the 500 hr guys must feel.

[/ QUOTE ]They need to be feeling the right yoke in a PA-28, not an RJ.

[FO_SHIZZLE]

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They need to be feeling the right yoke in a PA-28, not an RJ.

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Could not agree more

[DE727UPS]

So, FO, just to get it straight. You're pro-DCA but against the 10-4 program?

[FO_SHIZZLE]

I would not say that I'm for or against DCA. There were things I liked there and things I did not like. Most of the time I chime in, it is in defense of the place but that's because I think the people that are putting it down have a very limited and narrow view of what really goes on there. A vast majority of the people there care very much about the students and their progress. People that make outlandish comments about busting people on check rides for quota reasons and mgmt. decisions that they have absolutely no clue about tend to put me on the schools defensive. I do however try to remain as objective as possible. Am I for DCA, well it worked for me. I did not go over by these crazy amounts that people talk about and I finished as a student in times quoted, and as an instructor I finished in times as well although it was at the limit.

I am not for the 10+4 program. I do however have several friends that are at the airlines with 700 hours because of it. So I mean no offense to them. In my new hire class I definately feel humbled by my low time (1040/140) compared to that of others in my class. I can only imagine that it would be much more so if I only had 700. That being said they did what they did and I respect and understand that. Also along those lines I know two guys that were hired here with only 600ish hrs total because the were previously interns here (no affiliation with the academy). Those two guys, even though they have minimum times, they are extremely sharp and I have no doubt they will have any trouble making it through the program. So I don't think I will really have an advantage because of my extra 300 hours over the 10+4 guys, personally I just don't think I could justify spending that kind of money to get out 4 months early.

I know this is long and rambles on a bit but does this answer your question?

[DE727UPS]

"I know this is long and rambles on a bit but does this answer your question?"

Yep

[MuscleShirt]

How's it going in C-Natti?

Have you washed out yet

Jokin' buddy, good luck with the rest of your training!!!

[FO_SHIZZLE]

Not yet but I did see that Wendy's is hiring, so I do have a backup plan. I'll see if I can get you a discount on a Frosty or something.

[tomahawk1]

One of the reasons why the academy came out with this program was to give the CFI's flexiblilty to go to the airlines early, if they want. It also significantly reduced the wait time for becoming a flight instructor for the students. However, we were not the first school to put graduates into the airlines with less than 1000 hours. ATA, and TAB(when they were in business), Flight Safety, ATP have been advertising these types of programs for quite a long time before DCA. It is somewhat of a marketing tool to enlist students. The nice thing about 10+4 is that it is a choice that a CFI can make while instructing. It is nothing they have to sign up for from day 1.