Watch Your Money Fly

[planediveguy]

Grow up dude.

[ERJ-135]

Since you are paid by the flight hour, if you are required to attend mandatory meetings, then you are due moneys equal to your normal hourly pay.

[luv2av8]

My oppinion stands

Mullet? What the hell does airline hiring cycles have to do with anything? That is nothing more than economic variables and industry growth, it has nothing to do with connections or being anywhere at the right time. If it were as simple as a hiring cycle why would ANYONE pay 100k to attend a flight academy...dude, I didn’t think you were as ignorant as that. DCA is nothing more than paying for a job for christ sake! The training is NOTHING spectacular here, with the piss poor aircraft that break every other flight, the PCATS that are replaced almost monthly, and the FTDs that use 10 year old software. Oh and the bridge FTD that cost more than an aircraft to rent but has cardboard panels...

As for the flight time as a group leader, thats a load of BS!! group leader flights are a dime a dozen in the instrument group where he worked for so long! People were spending 8 mos in that group with 120-150 hours flight time, Fab how much time did you log this last year? 120hrs is 8mos? HAH. This goes to show you prospective students that you will instruct here much longer than 1 year. I have a friend that has been here 2 years and logged 350 dual given. He has a 100% end of course and FAA, so dont try to tell me he is one of the black sheep that is blackballed from students!

[FO_SHIZZLE]

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Mullet? What the hell does airline hiring cycles have to do with anything? That is nothing more than economic variables and industry growth, it has nothing to do with connections or being anywhere at the right time. If it were as simple as a hiring cycle why would ANYONE pay 100k to attend a flight academy...dude, I didn’t think you were as ignorant as that. DCA is nothing more than paying for a job for christ sake! The training is NOTHING spectacular here, with the piss poor aircraft that break every other flight, the PCATS that are replaced almost monthly, and the FTDs that use 10 year old software. Oh and the bridge FTD that cost more than an aircraft to rent but has cardboard panels...

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Hiring cycles have everything to do with it. Most people that have been in the industry for awhile will tell you that it all goes in cycles and whether you get hired, furloughed or stay working, it is all dependent on if you were picked up on the front of a cycle or on the bottom of one. Alot of people pay because they don't know what tomorrow will bring in this industry. If you think they are going to be hiring alot in 6months because they are now, then you are pretty foolish. BTW, nobody pays for a job here. Most you're going to get for sure is an interview. But now you're saying DCA is PFJ? Perhaps you don't understand the definition of that term. At DCA you pay for ratings just like anywhere else. How does that now become PFJ? Because you get an interview?

The bridge sim that you get for free? Yeah, free sure is expensive, how will you ever pay for that. The 100k is what alot of people spend but it's not on training. It's hard for people to have that kind of cash available to them and not spend it, myself included. I spent my loan money like it was going out of style, but I didn't go around saying I spent 100k on training. I usually say I spent 100k on training, a motorcycle, a car, and extravagant living. If someone spent 100k on training I think they are having a fair amount of difficulties.

You're telling me you know someone that has been instructing at DCA for 2 years and has 350 hours? Right buddy. I've been here for a year and a half and that included two vacations a couple PTO's here and there and I mostly took all my days off. I certainly know of no one that has been here longer than I have and has 450 less hours than I do. You're "friend" either took some serious time off, or you are being a little dramatic again, and are not giving out the whole truth. I think the school says it will take 12-18months of instruction to get your hours. But if you take alot of time off or call in "sick" alot, it will obviously take longer.

As far as equipment goes, I think the FTD's are only 5yrs old at the most but you say the software is 10yr? Okey...

If you think these aircraft are so bad, then you have not been out in to the real world at many FBO's. They may not be as nice as those at other big academies but those are few. If something breaks at an FBO, most are not that eager to fix it.

Once again, if you are that miserable, then you should go somewhere else. You wanted a flight job because you wanted to enjoy your job right? So if the grass is so greener, go make yourself happy. Instruction is a tough job and is not the best working conditions, it's still going to be a tough, yet rewarding, job no matter where you go. If it was that great, people wouldn't leave the field in droves to sit on reserve for a year at an airline.

[MuscleShirt]

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Since you are paid by the flight hour, if you are required to attend mandatory meetings, then you are due moneys equal to your normal hourly pay.

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We are compensated for meetings....

[MuscleShirt]

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My oppinion stands

Mullet? What the hell does airline hiring cycles have to do with anything? That is nothing more than economic variables and industry growth, it has nothing to do with connections or being anywhere at the right time. If it were as simple as a hiring cycle why would ANYONE pay 100k to attend a flight academy...dude, I didn’t think you were as ignorant as that. DCA is nothing more than paying for a job for christ sake! The training is NOTHING spectacular here, with the piss poor aircraft that break every other flight, the PCATS that are replaced almost monthly, and the FTDs that use 10 year old software. Oh and the bridge FTD that cost more than an aircraft to rent but has cardboard panels...

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Do you really think an airline like ASA would be hiring pilots with less than 600 hours if this were July of 2002...? I think not. Do you think it would have been easy to find an airline job in the 80's...? with "Deregulation" still lingering, and the bloated influx of retired military pilots? It's all about the cycle and we are extremely fortunate that we are at the beginning of a new one!

I have to ask if you've ever flown anywhere else? Did you train anywhere else? I have...and planes/FTD's are breaking all the time, everywhere. It's a fact of aviation that sh*# will break. I'm not defending the condition of the aircraft by any means, but you would run into the same issues no matter where you fly!

[FatBastard]

Just to let everyone know, X-Jet has once again lowered thier mins. It was 600/100 now unofficially 400/100 with a college degree, and you just saved $11,000.00 for this one.
ASA has also lowered thier mins to 600/100. Check thier website. So if any DCA guys have close to these numbers, come on over to Falcon, buy a block of multi time and GIT R DONE!

Checked with Key to settle the debate. Key is still doing loans to DCA, however Key gives the money directly to you, for you to protect. If Delta Connection Academy tells you they want the whole amount in their account you are not being dealt with truthfully. I would suggest a pay as you go.

Are you an A.O.P.A. member? if so please read the article -"Foreign Student Ripoff- Where did all the money go?" by Alton K. Marsh, published in the AOPA Pilot magazine, July 1997.
Also if you are an AOPA member, and have the legal services plan, you can call them for assistance with any and all issues you may have with your training. Also, if DCA pushes something your way for you to sign and it doesn't look right, or tries to make it appear you are the reason for your training troubles, don't sign it until you have talked with competent legal counsel, and if they say, you can't advance here until you sign this, take your money and run- over to falcon -of course.

I also asked Key about the falling out between them and DCA, the representative refused comment on that and said "WE GIVE THAT MONEY TO YOU FOR YOU TO PROTECT, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT IT."

Anyway, thats' all for now more info shortly.

Everyone, take care.(In my Marlon Brando voice) You too Fabio, you gonna take my offer you can't refuse? The Father, has spoken.

[ComplexHiAv8r]

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Just to let everyone know, X-Jet has once again lowered thier mins. It was 600/100 now unofficially 400/100 with a college degree, and you just saved $11,000.00 for this one.

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I know that I am not yet close, but can someone confirm this? Not that I don't believe another JC'er, but its always good to check sources.....

Thanks in Advance.

[FatBastard]

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Just to let everyone know, X-Jet has once again lowered thier mins. It was 600/100 now unofficially 400/100 with a college degree, and you just saved $11,000.00 for this one.

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I know that I am not yet close, but can someone confirm this? Not that I don't believe another JC'er, but its always good to check sources.....

Thanks in Advance.

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We had a guy come in to Falcon who is currently on his Standz break from DCA, they told him he needed at least 400 hours, a college degree and 100 multi time. He brought a block of multi since the recruiter told him he needs that for thier insurance mins. If you have further questions, why not give X-Jet a call, don't know if they will admit that or not, but it never hurts to ask.

I say GO FOR IT !!

[FatBastard]

If anyone has dealt with X-Jet, let us know how it turned out.

[Kristie]

400/100 with Xjet? you've GOT to be kidding me!! even 600 is too low IMO

I think i'll have to go inside and check the sources on that one - VERY hard to believe!!

[Z28_Pilot]

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If anyone has dealt with X-Jet, let us know how it turned out.

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I seriously doubt that they will pick you up w/400/100. I have heard of them hiring with that kind of time but they were people that already worked for the company in another capacity. The latest "word on the street" was at least 1000/100 with previous 121 or PIC turbine, however a few have still been getting on with less time. Right now hiring has slowed a bit, 32/month in class through the end of the year.....and upgrades were supposed to match that number, but due to CAL not taking as many XJETer's as previously thought, as well as, many choosing not to go.....they have reduced those classes too. Things seem to change monthly so if you believe you meet the mins. and HAVE A GOOD ATTITUDE....please apply! You never know until you try and since they don't actually publish their mins, you can't be sure what they're looking for at the time.

For a reference, I was hired last year with 1100/275, and know several people with similar times who were not hired. I also know several who WERE hired at the same time with 600/100.......

So the real answer is = Nobody really knows what they're looking for!

Hope this helps

[Kristie]

as a matter of fact, i just heard back from my "inside source" and he says "HELLS NO, XJET isn't hiring at 400/100"

where ever you got that info from was WAY wrong.

maybe the story goes that he needed *another* 400 hrs???

[FatBastard]

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as a matter of fact, i just heard back from my "inside source" and he says "HELLS NO, XJET isn't hiring at 400/100"

where ever you got that info from was WAY wrong.

maybe the story goes that he needed *another* 400 hrs???

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Don't know. He seemed pretty stoked though and bought a multi block.
Like I suggested, it can't hurt to call and find out or fill out an application on thier website. If anyone has dealt with X-Jet recently, let us know. Aw heck just to verify, I'll call em myself to be sure, kay?

[Kristie]

i'd just chalk it all up to "marketing" he got took! haha

[FatBastard]

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i'd just chalk it all up to "marketing" he got took! haha

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Kristie, actually it was the recruiter from express jet that told him this.

So everyone, I called X- jet and guess what?

You need to call (866) 760-9538. They will help answer your questions- and be sure you completed that online application too. I couldn't get a direct answer out of them except turn in your online app, and we'll take it from there.

Hope this helps.......................EVERYBODY!!!
So turn those apps in folks!!

Wouldn't hurt to at least try.

[FatBastard]

Well...........................
I assume a bunch of folks turned in an app?
How'd it go?

[dcapilot]

Yeah, you could chalk it up to marketing, or you could just say that once again Fat Bastard is making comments that he can't back up....nothing new.

Anything else that you wanna throw out there Bastard that can be discounted???? Come on...I know you can probably come up with something entertaining.

[FatBastard]

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Yeah, you could chalk it up to marketing, or you could just say that once again Fat Bastard is making comments that he can't back up....nothing new.

Anything else that you wanna throw out there Bastard that can be discounted???? Come on...I know you can probably come up with something entertaining.

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How about what, exactly, have I told anyone that has been discredited? By the way, what was Sanford Police doing over in front of DCA last week? Who was that in the back seat?
(DCA Fight club startin up?)

Did you even bother to call X-Jet or turn in an app, or just come on this board and make uninformed comments like that? Name something I said that was discredited or proven wrong. Typical DCA defender, wassamatta, the new kids gettin hip to you people already, so you gotta post on here to say Jetcareers and that EVIL DOUG TAYLOR (aside from everyone else here that knows the truth about DCA)dare to inform the masses about the truth? actually thier all liars!!!
C'mon kid, who ya foolin?

[dcapilot]

Actually, what is even more comical is that you rant-and-rave on this site about how evil dca is and are such an outspoken advocate against dca....seems like more of the other "anti-dca" people would back you up on your observations. I mean, come on, it is clear that there are many individuals here that like to talk trash. As of yet, they haven't backed you up. Of course they probably will only to prove me wrong after reading this email, but I can only imagine the looks on their faces as they read your barely followable, poorly written and random diatribes that one would only assume were penned by a third grader. Surely they wish someone would side with them that they could get behind and shout, "yeah!!", "what he said!!!". I may be wrong, but I don't see that happening. I believe they feel pretty much like myself and the other "dca defenders" who can only shake their heads and wonder what will come from you next.

One more thing, if you loath the academy so much, it would seem that you are around here pretty often if you witnessed a police car in front of the academy last week. That would be kind of hard to see from Falcon. I can't imagine why else you would be in the dca parking lot unless it was paying a visit to the place....it isn't really a place you would pass through on your way to somewhere. Tell me, how often do you come by? I think I might have seen you on property last week, and if I saw you last week, that means that I've seen you on property every week for about the last two months or so. Please Fatty, tell me I'm wrong.

[FatBastard]

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Actually, what is even more comical is that you rant-and-rave on this site about how evil dca is and are such an outspoken advocate against dca....seems like more of the other "anti-dca" people would back you up on your observations. I mean, come on, it is clear that there are many individuals here that like to talk trash. As of yet, they haven't backed you up. Of course they probably will only to prove me wrong after reading this email, but I can only imagine the looks on their faces as they read your barely followable, poorly written and random diatribes that one would only assume were penned by a third grader. Surely they wish someone would side with them that they could get behind and shout, "yeah!!", "what he said!!!". I may be wrong, but I don't see that happening. I believe they feel pretty much like myself and the other "dca defenders" who can only shake their heads and wonder what will come from you next.

One more thing, if you loath the academy so much, it would seem that you are around here pretty often if you witnessed a police car in front of the academy last week. That would be kind of hard to see from Falcon. I can't imagine why else you would be in the dca parking lot unless it was paying a visit to the place....it isn't really a place you would pass through on your way to somewhere. Tell me, how often do you come by? I think I might have seen you on property last week, and if I saw you last week, that means that I've seen you on property every week for about the last two months or so. Please Fatty, tell me I'm wrong.

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Boy are you pissed! Midol makes something for that. And for your information, I was at Avion making a purchase and looked down there and guess what I saw?
Please, you guys think someone would actually come down there and visit? Arrogant aren't we?
You still haven' t answered my question so before you begin your little debate about me, grow up first and answer the question, if you can't shut your pie hole.

Oh, mature one, you can call me fatty all you want, I could talk about "your mother" but that would require a significant intelligence degradation that, I if I wanted to revert back to, I would just hang with you.
So just how many people are leaving DCA ?

I like your attempt at trying to write an intelligent piece, but your attack just severly discredited any claim of intelligence you may like to make about yourself. Also, DCA pilot you should realize that Fat Bastard is just a handle, it may or may not reflect what I actually look like. Eh..... you ever sqautted 450lbs.? Benched 250? I could go on, but modesty forbids, so go ahead and respond, I like playing with your mind, no matter how small it may be.

Well, maybe not.............
Also did I rant and rave, or piss you people off because I informed folks of thier rights?
You could answer that if you actually read my postings, right?

[FO_SHIZZLE]

Most of your accusations don't get addressed because it's all rumors and accusations. If anybody says it's not true, it's all DCA guys gettin' all mad cause you're letting people know their rights. That's a pretty thinly veiled guise to bash DCA. Sounds like you could do some side work for Morgan Collin & Gilbert cause you're "for the people". Better yet you should get those ambulance chasers to take up your little lawsuit they would be all over it. Maybe you are not quite as clued into how things are over here than you previously thought you were.

BTW why do you assume everyone at DCA is angry over your posts. You even accused PlaneDive of being angry in his responses and he has been far from it, in fact I can't ever remember him being mad or angry at all. I can promise you the most anyone over here is doing in response to your posts is maybe some light laughter and eyerolling. That's just from us that actually frequent the website. So you're not the big deal you are hoping to be, I'm afraid you have some delusions of grandeur...so good luck with that

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Eh..... you ever sqautted 450lbs.? Benched 250? I could go on, but modesty forbids, so go ahead and respond, I like playing with your mind, no matter how small it may be.

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Yeah, real modest, no seriously man, that's cool, we're all real impressed.

[MikeD]

Addressed to no one in particular........

Let's again, knock off the personal attacks. If you have facts, post them. If not, then it's rubbish, regardless of which side it's coming from.

The half-truths and innuendos I see being posted are doing nothing but wasting bandwidth.

[FatBastard]

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Addressed to no one in particular........

Let's again, knock off the personal attacks. If you have facts, post them. If not, then it's rubbish, regardless of which side it's coming from.

The half-truths and innuendos I see being posted are doing nothing but wasting bandwidth.

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I agree with you 100% Mike D.

[FatBastard]

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Most of your accusations don't get addressed because it's all rumors and accusations. If anybody says it's not true, it's all DCA guys gettin' all mad cause you're letting people know their rights. That's a pretty thinly veiled guise to bash DCA. Sounds like you could do some side work for Morgan Collin & Gilbert cause you're "for the people". Better yet you should get those ambulance chasers to take up your little lawsuit they would be all over it. Maybe you are not quite as clued into how things are over here than you previously thought you were.

BTW why do you assume everyone at DCA is angry over your posts. You even accused PlaneDive of being angry in his responses and he has been far from it, in fact I can't ever remember him being mad or angry at all. I can promise you the most anyone over here is doing in response to your posts is maybe some light laughter and eyerolling. That's just from us that actually frequent the website. So you're not the big deal you are hoping to be, I'm afraid you have some delusions of grandeur...so good luck with that

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Eh..... you ever sqautted 450lbs.? Benched 250? I could go on, but modesty forbids, so go ahead and respond, I like playing with your mind, no matter how small it may be.

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Yeah, real modest, no seriously man, that's cool, we're all real impressed.

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FUNNY!!
Really ? You think Morgans' firm would hire me? I would but I already got an interview lined up, and I didn't need DCA or an extra $11,000.00 bucks to do it.
Take care Fo, and just think, when I left DCA, things went a hell of a lot faster for me than when I was there.

You ever thought about workin for Snoop Dog? You could be shizzle nizzle dizzle on the north pizzle the fizzle.
Just tryin to help you out.

I could see it now, Fo in Snoops' latest video, Let's get blowed.