And now,it begins.

FatBastard · June 28th, 2005, 17:36

For those of you who had a not so nice experience at Delta Connection Academy (To put it Mildly) please feel Free to Contact :
Office of Attorney General Charlie Crist
State of Florida
The Capitol PL-01
Tallahasee,Florida 32399-1050

Fraud Hotline 1-866-966-7266
You can also visit thier website and download a complaint form (pdf file) and mail or fax it back to them.

If you had a loan through Key Bank, and the school used your loan money by putting it into an account and collected all that free interest (your interest) and didn't give you any of it,
or you were qouted a price but you were "milked" for more money in terms of extra flight lessons or anything else, call these persons right away.
They have the experience and can see through a flight schools propaganda in order to get to the truth.
The most powerful consumer is the informed consumer, and the one that is respected is the one who knows' his or her rights.
I also ask that those of you who do decide to do this, that you keep a copy handy, since soon on this very website I will post an e-mail address that you can mail it to for possible class action lawsuit status/consideration.
For those of you who would like to share your greivances with someone who may not get the full story, please contact :

Mr. Fred Buttrell, President, Comair Airlines
77 Comair Blvd.
Erlanger, Ky 41018
(859)767-2550
When you get the switch board operator, ask to speak to Mr. Buttrell.
Again keep notes handy, and if he resolves your greivance, fine. But if he doesn't please monitor this web site. You will be updated with contact information soon.
Honestly, Delta Connection Academy in no way represents what comair the airline/mainline is really like, however management there has already soured many of us from even considering an employment offer there.............maybe.
Also a certain DCA manager has asked that all of you who have money currently with DCA that you put it into a protected account A.S.A.P.
Consider this URGENTLY!!
Thats' all.................for now.

FO_SHIZZLE · June 28th, 2005, 18:56

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Honestly, Delta Connection Academy in no way represents what comair the airline/mainline is really like, however management there has already soured many of us from even considering an employment offer there.............maybe.

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I somehow doubt you would turn down a job offer from what is considered by many, myself included, to be one of the best regionals to work for because you are unhappy with DCA, but hey whatever makes you feel better.

I'm still failing to see where the fraud is? You were charged more than the estimate? I'm pretty sure all contracts here, including one I'm sure you signed, state that all costs are estimates and may be more due to training costs. Being unhappy with the product you recieved from a company does not make them fraudulent. I mean Subway keeps advertising sandwiches that are 6grams of fat or less. Now that is only if you get it with pretty much no condiments(as said by the little words under the ad) but it is six grams or less. Are you going to go after Subway too? It's a similar deal so think you should.

BTW, any funds you have through the school are backed by the FDIC or something like that. They are one of the few schools if any that are like that. In other words it's already protected. If DCA shut down today, you would still get your money back; so you can stop spreading silly rumors.

FatBastard · June 28th, 2005, 19:23

So the Tab Express and ATA guys are getting thier money back any day now?
As far as rumors go, who's spreading rumors? I deal in facts. When I said milked, that's what I meant, not because you were having trouble learning a skill. I mean having your instructor take advantage of a student for thier own benefit, of like building time, last month was slow so I have to make money, or, in my case, an instructor who gambled his entire paycheck away so he thought he could have me make up for it.
Silly rumor?
If a person in and at DCA management asked me to spread the word for everyones' benefit, I will.
And I said maybe, not that I would turn down a job offer from Comair, in fact, if presented, I would say Yes, I'd take it! But thier is Skywest,too.
Yea, those monies are FDIC insured, if the bank goes under.
If memory serves me correctly,

wasn't TAB EXPRESS and ATA FDIC insured,in a private bank account and did those students get ANY money back? C'mon kid who ya foolin?
So, Fo, care to explain what happened with KEY BANK and DCA? You Guys gonna give back all that interest to those students or what?
You really need a time out.
Another DCA Defender (sigh)

FO_SHIZZLE · June 28th, 2005, 21:10

The rumor I was talking about is the funding. I'm saying what DCA has of yoursis secure not what you got in the bank. Oviously Tab and ATA did not have that protection. Different schools have different situations.

Look, I don't don't know anything about your situation at DCA, if that stuff happened to you, that is a shame, and they should no longer work here. People like that give the rest of us instructors a bad name.

I don't know what happened with Key and DCA. I saw what you posted and that's all I've heard. Flight instructors are not asked to work in finance so I really don't know if that is even true or anything. One thing I have noticed since I've even been interested in aviation is that it is full of rumors, of which most are not true. Take what you hear with a grain of salt and don't base your arguments on what anyone said, regardless of management or not. If it was management in regards to instructors, then they probably don't have a clue either.

You guys gonna give any money back you ask? Like I said I don't have anything to do with any of that, if it is true.

I need a time out....clever.

FO_SHIZZLE · June 28th, 2005, 21:13

By the way, you just called up at random and spoke to Fred Buttrell? Holy cow, if it's that easy, you should have asked for a job when you called, that is if you could stand working for Comair.

FatBastard · June 28th, 2005, 21:27

The Flight instructor that did it, yes he's still there,along with his buddy. When DCA takes your money, they put it in thier own private bank account.
So yea,they will claim its' insured, but only if the bank goes under,not if DCA shuts thier doors. (Misleading isn't it?)

The Manager that asked me to warn people about this, why would they lie,or seek to mislead people?
We only deal in facts.

Fo, hurry up out of there, as a professional courtesy it would behoove you to get on with someone,rather quickly. (Plus I like how you responded to gtrmantb, classy.) Hurt my feeling though, and you know we bastards are sensitive!

MikeD · June 28th, 2005, 21:28

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Look, I don't don't know anything about your situation at DCA, if that stuff happened to you, that is a shame, and they should no longer work here. People like that give the rest of us instructors a bad name.

I don't know what happened with Key and DCA. I saw what you posted and that's all I've heard. Flight instructors are not asked to work in finance so I really don't know if that is even true or anything. One thing I have noticed since I've even been interested in aviation is that it is full of rumors, of which most are not true. Take what you hear with a grain of salt and don't base your arguments on what anyone said, regardless of management or not. If it was management in regards to instructors, then they probably don't have a clue either.

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Agree. And fair assessment.

FatBastard · June 28th, 2005, 21:39

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By the way, you just called up at random and spoke to Fred Buttrell? Holy cow, if it's that easy, you should have asked for a job when you called, that is if you could stand working for Comair.

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Yes, Fred will talk to you or allow you to address your concerns, there are also legal issues, like accountability too.
Your posts tend to deflect from the real issues at hand, and you only seek to discredit me or whatever your attempting by saying "He won't take a job at Comair!" (Methinks you think Comair is the only regional to work for, it isn't)

Lets' stick with the facts, not this asinine attempt a blowing smoke up ones' rear.
To those of you who were diadvantaged by DCA, call Mr. Buttrell, he really wants to hear your story, but, if he doesn't,(doubtful)
you have other options.

And yes, aviation is full of rumors, but rumors are meaningless, I don't deal in rumor or conjecture, just facts.
But if a person feels they have been wronged, whats' wrong with informing them of thier rights?

And why are you suggesting my information is second hand source material?
You don't win cases like that.

FO_SHIZZLE · June 28th, 2005, 21:47

I am trying to get out of here fast but NOT because I think the place is going under, but 'cause I have my hours, and I'm anxious to move on. I don't see the place the same way you do, they are a business that is around to make money, it's not a charity. I just don't see any of it as fraudulent or illegal, I think you just got a jerk instructor but I believe those are few and far between. There are alot of good instructors here that work hard and go out of their way to help students, unfortunately you did not see that. We'll just agree to disagree, but please just note that just because someone told you something does not mean it's true. I hear as many rumors from management as I do from anyone else. Just keep that in mind.

We are one of the few schools that are still going to have Key Loan approval so I don't know if all this falling out happend. If it was an issue I'm sure they would no longer allow loans to the school. But like I said I don't know, that is only speculation. Best of luck in your flying career.

FO_SHIZZLE · June 28th, 2005, 21:51

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Yes, Fred will talk to you or allow you to address your concerns, there are also legal issues, like accountability too.
Your posts tend to deflect from the real issues at hand, and you only seek to discredit me or whatever your attempting by saying "He won't take a job at Comair!" (Methinks you think Comair is the only regional to work for, it isn't)

Lets' stick with the facts, not this asinine attempt a blowing smoke up ones' rear.
To those of you who were diadvantaged by DCA, call Mr. Buttrell, he really wants to hear your story, but, if he doesn't,(doubtful)
you have other options.

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I really think you are missing what I'm saying. I'm not blowing smoke, so I think you don't understand much of what I'm talking about. I'm sticking with the facts, the ones I know. Alot of the stuff you are talking about I think is heresay so I can't really comment on something I know nothing about.

FatBastard · June 28th, 2005, 21:52

Same to you FO.
But many people have complained about the same thing.
I know you will go far in your career.
Take Care.

FatBastard · June 29th, 2005, 03:58

Hearsay? Meaningless
You hear rumors from management? That sounds, well fishy.
Again rumors/hearsay hold no value to me.

My point is to inform the consumer, whether you believe it happened or not is not at issue here.
Those people who were wronged believe it, despite what others might say.

Key Bank found out about what the school was doing about those interest payments and put a stop to it ASAP.
However DCA still hasn't given anyone a share in those interest payments, wonder why?

SmitteyB · June 29th, 2005, 11:22

Collecting interest on other's money sounds kind of shady....

Do you get a bill/invoice after every flight?

If you didn't pay them in advance, and they're collecting interest, without you knowing it, is completely illegal and I'm sure can shut them down.

If they're doing it, and you knew about it....then you people have officially become more stupid than Regional Airline Academy guys....

Good luck with your loan!

MuscleShirt · June 29th, 2005, 13:09

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When I said milked, that's what I meant, not because you were having trouble learning a skill. I mean having your instructor take advantage of a student for thier own benefit, of like building time, last month was slow so I have to make money, or, in my case, an instructor who gambled his entire paycheck away so he thought he could have me make up for it.

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If this was truly the case, why are you hammering the school for it, instead of the A@#hole instructor. If that is indeed true than I sincerely apologize on behalf of the rest of the instructors here.

When this alleged conversation took place, is it possible that it was in good humor with his friend? I have heard worse things said in meaningless, joking conversations. Just a thought, I am by no way backing this instructor, I do not know them, and if this is true, I would not care to. But, if you plan to take that argument to court, I hope that it can be backed up because "hear-say" does not hold up.

As far as the "price-quoting" is concerned. I specifically remember there being a plain view note at the bottom of every quote sheet and in the contract as well. It was something like "As flying is a skill, prices quoted may change based on your specific progess..." yada, yada, yada. Good luck bringing that to court, DCA must know how to cover their you know what. Though, I'm fairly certain that any flight school, FBO, flight club, etc. you go to will say the same thing.

I don't know anything about the Key Loan thing, other than what you've posted on here. I would like to know EXACTLY where you obtained your information about the school making profits from the interest off of student's accounts. When you can give me that source, I will believe it.

I wonder what Vic would think of you trying to sink the boat across the way, when that boat, being where it is, provides Vic with enormous amounts of business.

I wonder...

Does anybody else find it hard to believe that a major corporation such as Delta, would allow the school to participate in such illegal practices as stealing interest? Isn't the company audited? Wouldn't this have been discovered already? I really find it hard to believe this is true.

luv2av8 · June 29th, 2005, 16:22

did you recieve interest on your loan? I didn't...and DCA doesnt store their millions of dollars in a big giant wall safe or a enormous pillow cover. They store it in a bank, which gives interest. I for one would love to make an annonymous call to fred, see just what he has to say and possibly get an idea of how Comair is operated. As for the general attorney thing, ill certainely be calling that number.

On another note, managment is going crazy trying to find who is posting this negative press (which is the gathering and publishing of news...thats what I find thins, but I havent been in the industry for 20 years) and that tells me they know its true.

As much as Id hate to see these instructors lose their jobs, id love to see this plice bite the dirt!

flyguy · June 29th, 2005, 16:30

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...in my case, an instructor who gambled his entire paycheck away so he thought he could have me make up for it.

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Only one paycheck? Don't you think you are blowing this a little out of proportion here, I mean we're talking about what, $15? Maybe $20? That's only an extra 0.2 or so of extra training. Chill man!

MuscleShirt · June 29th, 2005, 16:31

I don't know exactly where the money goes. It could possibly go into an interest free escro account. I don't know, and neither do any of you.

As far as I can see this is a lot of speculation....

MuscleShirt · June 29th, 2005, 16:34

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Only one paycheck? Don't you think you are blowing this a little out of proportion here, I mean we're talking about what, $15? Maybe $20? That's only an extra 0.2 or so of extra training. Chill man!

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Excellent, Excellent, Excellent point my friend!!!!!!!!

FatBastard · June 29th, 2005, 17:16

Funny Guys, very funny.
And I am currently on a break right now, so no flying fore me, personal problems. (a severe case of BASTARDITIS!!)

Flyboi · June 29th, 2005, 18:11

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did you recieve interest on your loan? I didn't...and DCA doesnt store their millions of dollars in a big giant wall safe or a enormous pillow cover. They store it in a bank, which gives interest.

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Uh, you really should get your facts straight...DCA doesn't 'store' student's money anywhere. The money gets deposited into an escrow account. Which is controlled by an outside third party. The interest that you didn't receive either went back to your lender (if you had a loan) or was spent on your training.

And regarding your 'other note'...I seriously doubt managment is even giving your drivel a second thought...since all of your posts are nothing but half-truth slander. Anyone who cares to investigate will discover you are just an unhappy, bitter person who should be pitied...Must be hard living life as a victim, never taking responsibility for yourself or your actions. Seriously, if you hate your job so much, QUIT.

l82av8 · June 29th, 2005, 18:18

Well if you are a relatively new student, then yes, there is an OPTION to have your money put into an escrow account. However, when I was a student, this program did not exist. It didnt make its debut until about 4 or 5 months ago. Now, as for whether or not luv2av8 is speaking "half-truths" as you say, I am not him, but I can touch base on you with that one. I WORK THERE, all the stories, are true. I know how things work there, after all I WORK THERE. So before you post, and attack someone else, you get your facts straight.

FO_SHIZZLE · June 29th, 2005, 19:02

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Now, as for whether or not luv2av8 is speaking "half-truths" as you say, I am not him, but I can touch base on you with that one.

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I'm not so sure on that one. Seriously if you guy(s) are so unhappy why are you here. I had two of my students instructing over their standz breaks and both got over 200 hours in two months. The jobs are out there....go somewhere else. There is no sense in working for a company that makes you this miserable. If you are this unhappy, I bet it is hard to give quality, positive flight instruction. Don't take that the wrong way, I'm sure you are a good instructor but it is difficult to separate the two if you are so miserable.

l82av8 · June 29th, 2005, 19:49

Well im here because I gave 70 thousand odd dollars to be here, to "buy" a guaranteed interview. I know well enough that there are jobs out there, im watching others go to them too you know. Thank you for not saying im a bad instructor, im not. I do seperate my feelings about the academy from my instruction though. I do not like the academy, but the students are paying alot of money for my time, and therefore i give them good instruction. That is what makes me give good instruction, the students, not because of anything else. I do think that prospective/current students should know about what they are about to or what they are currently in. Thats why I post. I dont throw mud, I give stories/facts. Sure, some people who rather like DCA come out and try to ruin my credibility, attempt to stray from the point. Ive seen the "why are you here if its so bad" discussion enough times. Theres my answer and I think that is why most stay. as with any program DCA has a great way of creating tunnel vision and people may give up oppurtunities to stay where they are. I may be guilty of the same thing, but unless an oppurtunity rises that i just cant pass up, im staying. I dont buy a new car to drive it into a wall. I dont "buy an interview" to quit and not get it.

Wannabe2 · June 29th, 2005, 19:51

My thoughts exactly. Please go away and instruct or do whatever, but don't bring the rest of us that enjoy instructing at DCA down with you. The school has some problems, in my opinion they are not as bad as you seem to think, but if they are, what on earth are you doing here? Find a job at a place you like, life is too short to be so bitter and grumpy...

Ah, well you jumped in ahead of me, but OK, sounds like a reasonable argument, I just couldn't stick it out if i was that unhappy, but that's just me...

Z28_Pilot · June 29th, 2005, 20:14

And FatB, why didn't you take the money out after Key sent it to the school and just leave enough to start the rating?..That's what I did. They had a minimum to leave in to start a rating (a couple thousand dollars) then just add from your bank account as your school account gets toward the grounded list (still $700?)...then it's you collecting the interest!

June 28th, 2005, 17:36	#1
FatBastard Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Unites States, Generally. Posts: 264	And now,it begins. For those of you who had a not so nice experience at Delta Connection Academy (To put it Mildly) please feel Free to Contact : Office of Attorney General Charlie Crist State of Florida The Capitol PL-01 Tallahasee,Florida 32399-1050 Fraud Hotline 1-866-966-7266 You can also visit thier website and download a complaint form (pdf file) and mail or fax it back to them. If you had a loan through Key Bank, and the school used your loan money by putting it into an account and collected all that free interest (your interest) and didn't give you any of it, or you were qouted a price but you were "milked" for more money in terms of extra flight lessons or anything else, call these persons right away. They have the experience and can see through a flight schools propaganda in order to get to the truth. The most powerful consumer is the informed consumer, and the one that is respected is the one who knows' his or her rights. I also ask that those of you who do decide to do this, that you keep a copy handy, since soon on this very website I will post an e-mail address that you can mail it to for possible class action lawsuit status/consideration. For those of you who would like to share your greivances with someone who may not get the full story, please contact : Mr. Fred Buttrell, President, Comair Airlines 77 Comair Blvd. Erlanger, Ky 41018 (859)767-2550 When you get the switch board operator, ask to speak to Mr. Buttrell. Again keep notes handy, and if he resolves your greivance, fine. But if he doesn't please monitor this web site. You will be updated with contact information soon. Honestly, Delta Connection Academy in no way represents what comair the airline/mainline is really like, however management there has already soured many of us from even considering an employment offer there.............maybe. Also a certain DCA manager has asked that all of you who have money currently with DCA that you put it into a protected account A.S.A.P. Consider this URGENTLY!! Thats' all.................for now.

June 28th, 2005, 18:56	#2
FO_SHIZZLE Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: CLT Posts: 198	Re: And now,it begins. [ QUOTE ] Honestly, Delta Connection Academy in no way represents what comair the airline/mainline is really like, however management there has already soured many of us from even considering an employment offer there.............maybe. [/ QUOTE ] I somehow doubt you would turn down a job offer from what is considered by many, myself included, to be one of the best regionals to work for because you are unhappy with DCA, but hey whatever makes you feel better. I'm still failing to see where the fraud is? You were charged more than the estimate? I'm pretty sure all contracts here, including one I'm sure you signed, state that all costs are estimates and may be more due to training costs. Being unhappy with the product you recieved from a company does not make them fraudulent. I mean Subway keeps advertising sandwiches that are 6grams of fat or less. Now that is only if you get it with pretty much no condiments(as said by the little words under the ad) but it is six grams or less. Are you going to go after Subway too? It's a similar deal so think you should. BTW, any funds you have through the school are backed by the FDIC or something like that. They are one of the few schools if any that are like that. In other words it's already protected. If DCA shut down today, you would still get your money back; so you can stop spreading silly rumors.

June 28th, 2005, 19:23	#3
FatBastard Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Unites States, Generally. Posts: 264	Re: And now,it begins. So the Tab Express and ATA guys are getting thier money back any day now? As far as rumors go, who's spreading rumors? I deal in facts. When I said milked, that's what I meant, not because you were having trouble learning a skill. I mean having your instructor take advantage of a student for thier own benefit, of like building time, last month was slow so I have to make money, or, in my case, an instructor who gambled his entire paycheck away so he thought he could have me make up for it. Silly rumor? If a person in and at DCA management asked me to spread the word for everyones' benefit, I will. And I said maybe, not that I would turn down a job offer from Comair, in fact, if presented, I would say Yes, I'd take it! But thier is Skywest,too. Yea, those monies are FDIC insured, if the bank goes under. If memory serves me correctly, wasn't TAB EXPRESS and ATA FDIC insured,in a private bank account and did those students get ANY money back? C'mon kid who ya foolin? So, Fo, care to explain what happened with KEY BANK and DCA? You Guys gonna give back all that interest to those students or what? You really need a time out. Another DCA Defender (sigh)

June 28th, 2005, 21:10	#4
FO_SHIZZLE Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: CLT Posts: 198	Re: And now,it begins. The rumor I was talking about is the funding. I'm saying what DCA has of yoursis secure not what you got in the bank. Oviously Tab and ATA did not have that protection. Different schools have different situations. Look, I don't don't know anything about your situation at DCA, if that stuff happened to you, that is a shame, and they should no longer work here. People like that give the rest of us instructors a bad name. I don't know what happened with Key and DCA. I saw what you posted and that's all I've heard. Flight instructors are not asked to work in finance so I really don't know if that is even true or anything. One thing I have noticed since I've even been interested in aviation is that it is full of rumors, of which most are not true. Take what you hear with a grain of salt and don't base your arguments on what anyone said, regardless of management or not. If it was management in regards to instructors, then they probably don't have a clue either. You guys gonna give any money back you ask? Like I said I don't have anything to do with any of that, if it is true. I need a time out....clever.

June 28th, 2005, 21:13	#5
FO_SHIZZLE Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: CLT Posts: 198	Re: And now,it begins. By the way, you just called up at random and spoke to Fred Buttrell? Holy cow, if it's that easy, you should have asked for a job when you called, that is if you could stand working for Comair.

June 28th, 2005, 21:27	#6
FatBastard Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Unites States, Generally. Posts: 264	Re: And now,it begins. The Flight instructor that did it, yes he's still there,along with his buddy. When DCA takes your money, they put it in thier own private bank account. So yea,they will claim its' insured, but only if the bank goes under,not if DCA shuts thier doors. (Misleading isn't it?) The Manager that asked me to warn people about this, why would they lie,or seek to mislead people? We only deal in facts. Fo, hurry up out of there, as a professional courtesy it would behoove you to get on with someone,rather quickly. (Plus I like how you responded to gtrmantb, classy.) Hurt my feeling though, and you know we bastards are sensitive!

June 28th, 2005, 21:28	#7
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: And now,it begins. [ QUOTE ] Look, I don't don't know anything about your situation at DCA, if that stuff happened to you, that is a shame, and they should no longer work here. People like that give the rest of us instructors a bad name. I don't know what happened with Key and DCA. I saw what you posted and that's all I've heard. Flight instructors are not asked to work in finance so I really don't know if that is even true or anything. One thing I have noticed since I've even been interested in aviation is that it is full of rumors, of which most are not true. Take what you hear with a grain of salt and don't base your arguments on what anyone said, regardless of management or not. If it was management in regards to instructors, then they probably don't have a clue either. [/ QUOTE ] Agree. And fair assessment.

June 28th, 2005, 21:39	#8
FatBastard Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Unites States, Generally. Posts: 264	Re: And now,it begins. [ QUOTE ] By the way, you just called up at random and spoke to Fred Buttrell? Holy cow, if it's that easy, you should have asked for a job when you called, that is if you could stand working for Comair. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, Fred will talk to you or allow you to address your concerns, there are also legal issues, like accountability too. Your posts tend to deflect from the real issues at hand, and you only seek to discredit me or whatever your attempting by saying "He won't take a job at Comair!" (Methinks you think Comair is the only regional to work for, it isn't) Lets' stick with the facts, not this asinine attempt a blowing smoke up ones' rear. To those of you who were diadvantaged by DCA, call Mr. Buttrell, he really wants to hear your story, but, if he doesn't,(doubtful) you have other options. And yes, aviation is full of rumors, but rumors are meaningless, I don't deal in rumor or conjecture, just facts. But if a person feels they have been wronged, whats' wrong with informing them of thier rights? And why are you suggesting my information is second hand source material? You don't win cases like that.

June 28th, 2005, 21:47	#9
FO_SHIZZLE Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: CLT Posts: 198	Re: And now,it begins. I am trying to get out of here fast but NOT because I think the place is going under, but 'cause I have my hours, and I'm anxious to move on. I don't see the place the same way you do, they are a business that is around to make money, it's not a charity. I just don't see any of it as fraudulent or illegal, I think you just got a jerk instructor but I believe those are few and far between. There are alot of good instructors here that work hard and go out of their way to help students, unfortunately you did not see that. We'll just agree to disagree, but please just note that just because someone told you something does not mean it's true. I hear as many rumors from management as I do from anyone else. Just keep that in mind. We are one of the few schools that are still going to have Key Loan approval so I don't know if all this falling out happend. If it was an issue I'm sure they would no longer allow loans to the school. But like I said I don't know, that is only speculation. Best of luck in your flying career.

June 28th, 2005, 21:51	#10
FO_SHIZZLE Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: CLT Posts: 198	Re: And now,it begins. [ QUOTE ] Yes, Fred will talk to you or allow you to address your concerns, there are also legal issues, like accountability too. Your posts tend to deflect from the real issues at hand, and you only seek to discredit me or whatever your attempting by saying "He won't take a job at Comair!" (Methinks you think Comair is the only regional to work for, it isn't) Lets' stick with the facts, not this asinine attempt a blowing smoke up ones' rear. To those of you who were diadvantaged by DCA, call Mr. Buttrell, he really wants to hear your story, but, if he doesn't,(doubtful) you have other options. [/ QUOTE ] I really think you are missing what I'm saying. I'm not blowing smoke, so I think you don't understand much of what I'm talking about. I'm sticking with the facts, the ones I know. Alot of the stuff you are talking about I think is heresay so I can't really comment on something I know nothing about.

June 28th, 2005, 21:52	#11
FatBastard Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Unites States, Generally. Posts: 264	Re: And now, it begins. Same to you FO. But many people have complained about the same thing. I know you will go far in your career. Take Care.

June 29th, 2005, 03:58	#12
FatBastard Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Unites States, Generally. Posts: 264	Re: And now, it begins. Hearsay? Meaningless You hear rumors from management? That sounds, well fishy. Again rumors/hearsay hold no value to me. My point is to inform the consumer, whether you believe it happened or not is not at issue here. Those people who were wronged believe it, despite what others might say. Key Bank found out about what the school was doing about those interest payments and put a stop to it ASAP. However DCA still hasn't given anyone a share in those interest payments, wonder why?

June 29th, 2005, 11:22	#13
SmitteyB Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 1,974	Re: And now, it begins. Collecting interest on other's money sounds kind of shady.... Do you get a bill/invoice after every flight? If you didn't pay them in advance, and they're collecting interest, without you knowing it, is completely illegal and I'm sure can shut them down. If they're doing it, and you knew about it....then you people have officially become more stupid than Regional Airline Academy guys.... Good luck with your loan!

June 29th, 2005, 13:09	#14
MuscleShirt Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mulletville Posts: 85	Re: And now,it begins. [ QUOTE ] When I said milked, that's what I meant, not because you were having trouble learning a skill. I mean having your instructor take advantage of a student for thier own benefit, of like building time, last month was slow so I have to make money, or, in my case, an instructor who gambled his entire paycheck away so he thought he could have me make up for it. [/ QUOTE ] If this was truly the case, why are you hammering the school for it, instead of the A@#hole instructor. If that is indeed true than I sincerely apologize on behalf of the rest of the instructors here. When this alleged conversation took place, is it possible that it was in good humor with his friend? I have heard worse things said in meaningless, joking conversations. Just a thought, I am by no way backing this instructor, I do not know them, and if this is true, I would not care to. But, if you plan to take that argument to court, I hope that it can be backed up because "hear-say" does not hold up. As far as the "price-quoting" is concerned. I specifically remember there being a plain view note at the bottom of every quote sheet and in the contract as well. It was something like "As flying is a skill, prices quoted may change based on your specific progess..." yada, yada, yada. Good luck bringing that to court, DCA must know how to cover their you know what. Though, I'm fairly certain that any flight school, FBO, flight club, etc. you go to will say the same thing. I don't know anything about the Key Loan thing, other than what you've posted on here. I would like to know EXACTLY where you obtained your information about the school making profits from the interest off of student's accounts. When you can give me that source, I will believe it. I wonder what Vic would think of you trying to sink the boat across the way, when that boat, being where it is, provides Vic with enormous amounts of business. I wonder... Does anybody else find it hard to believe that a major corporation such as Delta, would allow the school to participate in such illegal practices as stealing interest? Isn't the company audited? Wouldn't this have been discovered already? I really find it hard to believe this is true.

June 29th, 2005, 16:22	#15
luv2av8 Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 34	Re: And now,it begins. did you recieve interest on your loan? I didn't...and DCA doesnt store their millions of dollars in a big giant wall safe or a enormous pillow cover. They store it in a bank, which gives interest. I for one would love to make an annonymous call to fred, see just what he has to say and possibly get an idea of how Comair is operated. As for the general attorney thing, ill certainely be calling that number. On another note, managment is going crazy trying to find who is posting this negative press (which is the gathering and publishing of news...thats what I find thins, but I havent been in the industry for 20 years) and that tells me they know its true. As much as Id hate to see these instructors lose their jobs, id love to see this plice bite the dirt!

June 29th, 2005, 16:30	#16
flyguy Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 2,094	Re: And now,it begins. [ QUOTE ] ...in my case, an instructor who gambled his entire paycheck away so he thought he could have me make up for it. [/ QUOTE ] Only one paycheck? Don't you think you are blowing this a little out of proportion here, I mean we're talking about what, $15? Maybe $20? That's only an extra 0.2 or so of extra training. Chill man!

June 29th, 2005, 16:31	#17
MuscleShirt Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mulletville Posts: 85	Re: And now,it begins. I don't know exactly where the money goes. It could possibly go into an interest free escro account. I don't know, and neither do any of you. As far as I can see this is a lot of speculation....

June 29th, 2005, 16:34	#18
MuscleShirt Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mulletville Posts: 85	Re: And now,it begins. [/ QUOTE ] Only one paycheck? Don't you think you are blowing this a little out of proportion here, I mean we're talking about what, $15? Maybe $20? That's only an extra 0.2 or so of extra training. Chill man! [/ QUOTE ] Excellent, Excellent, Excellent point my friend!!!!!!!!

June 29th, 2005, 17:16	#19
FatBastard Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Unites States, Generally. Posts: 264	Re: And now,it begins. Funny Guys, very funny. And I am currently on a break right now, so no flying fore me, personal problems. (a severe case of BASTARDITIS!!)

June 29th, 2005, 18:11	#20
Flyboi Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3	Re: And now,it begins. [ QUOTE ] did you recieve interest on your loan? I didn't...and DCA doesnt store their millions of dollars in a big giant wall safe or a enormous pillow cover. They store it in a bank, which gives interest. [/ QUOTE ] Uh, you really should get your facts straight...DCA doesn't 'store' student's money anywhere. The money gets deposited into an escrow account. Which is controlled by an outside third party. The interest that you didn't receive either went back to your lender (if you had a loan) or was spent on your training. And regarding your 'other note'...I seriously doubt managment is even giving your drivel a second thought...since all of your posts are nothing but half-truth slander. Anyone who cares to investigate will discover you are just an unhappy, bitter person who should be pitied...Must be hard living life as a victim, never taking responsibility for yourself or your actions. Seriously, if you hate your job so much, QUIT.

June 29th, 2005, 18:18	#21
l82av8 Newbie Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 11	Re: And now,it begins. Well if you are a relatively new student, then yes, there is an OPTION to have your money put into an escrow account. However, when I was a student, this program did not exist. It didnt make its debut until about 4 or 5 months ago. Now, as for whether or not luv2av8 is speaking "half-truths" as you say, I am not him, but I can touch base on you with that one. I WORK THERE, all the stories, are true. I know how things work there, after all I WORK THERE. So before you post, and attack someone else, you get your facts straight.

June 29th, 2005, 19:02	#22
FO_SHIZZLE Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: CLT Posts: 198	Re: And now,it begins. [ QUOTE ] Now, as for whether or not luv2av8 is speaking "half-truths" as you say, I am not him, but I can touch base on you with that one. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not so sure on that one. Seriously if you guy(s) are so unhappy why are you here. I had two of my students instructing over their standz breaks and both got over 200 hours in two months. The jobs are out there....go somewhere else. There is no sense in working for a company that makes you this miserable. If you are this unhappy, I bet it is hard to give quality, positive flight instruction. Don't take that the wrong way, I'm sure you are a good instructor but it is difficult to separate the two if you are so miserable.

June 29th, 2005, 19:49	#23
l82av8 Newbie Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 11	Re: And now,it begins. Well im here because I gave 70 thousand odd dollars to be here, to "buy" a guaranteed interview. I know well enough that there are jobs out there, im watching others go to them too you know. Thank you for not saying im a bad instructor, im not. I do seperate my feelings about the academy from my instruction though. I do not like the academy, but the students are paying alot of money for my time, and therefore i give them good instruction. That is what makes me give good instruction, the students, not because of anything else. I do think that prospective/current students should know about what they are about to or what they are currently in. Thats why I post. I dont throw mud, I give stories/facts. Sure, some people who rather like DCA come out and try to ruin my credibility, attempt to stray from the point. Ive seen the "why are you here if its so bad" discussion enough times. Theres my answer and I think that is why most stay. as with any program DCA has a great way of creating tunnel vision and people may give up oppurtunities to stay where they are. I may be guilty of the same thing, but unless an oppurtunity rises that i just cant pass up, im staying. I dont buy a new car to drive it into a wall. I dont "buy an interview" to quit and not get it.

June 29th, 2005, 19:51	#24
Wannabe2 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 224	Re: And now,it begins. My thoughts exactly. Please go away and instruct or do whatever, but don't bring the rest of us that enjoy instructing at DCA down with you. The school has some problems, in my opinion they are not as bad as you seem to think, but if they are, what on earth are you doing here? Find a job at a place you like, life is too short to be so bitter and grumpy... Ah, well you jumped in ahead of me, but OK, sounds like a reasonable argument, I just couldn't stick it out if i was that unhappy, but that's just me...

June 29th, 2005, 20:14	#25
Z28_Pilot Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 30	Re: And now,it begins. And FatB, why didn't you take the money out after Key sent it to the school and just leave enough to start the rating?..That's what I did. They had a minimum to leave in to start a rating (a couple thousand dollars) then just add from your bank account as your school account gets toward the grounded list (still $700?)...then it's you collecting the interest!

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