Equipment Upgrade

MuscleShirt · June 25th, 2005, 08:29

Has anybody heard any recent information as far as a timeline is concerned for the equip. upgrade?

Z28_Pilot · June 25th, 2005, 14:25

Yeah......4 new PCATDs due on property by Aug. 2005

Seriously, what are they planning to upgrade?.....the 172s?

FO_SHIZZLE · June 25th, 2005, 14:31

They word on the street is an upgrade to Cirrus airframes for Inst., Comm., and I guess Private too but I don't know. The rumor is getting your initial comm. in the multi. thus taking care of the complex requirements and then getting the single add-on in the Cirrus. If they go this route though, it will probably include purchasing some full motion sims and switching from a 141 to a 142 program. New equipment is always cool but I'm not a big fan of 142 programs because of the decrease of actual flying in favor of sims.

I flew an SR-22 when Cirrus was here last and those things are incredible, but it remains to be seen if they can take the beatings like a 152.

chrisdahut1 · June 25th, 2005, 15:09

Wow, I can only imagine how much the price is going to sky rocket when this ever comes to be. The price for the whole course in Sanford already appears to have doubled in the past 5 years, and is the main reason I can no longer recommend the Sanford program to anyone.

Still, I'll believe it when I see it. I still remember "Jet Direct" as another sure-to-happen deal that never came to be (Thank God).

mnixon · June 25th, 2005, 15:15

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I flew an SR-22 when Cirrus was here last and those things are incredible, but it remains to be seen if they can take the beatings like a 152.

[/ QUOTE ]

It's because you had a superior pilot at the controls!

FO_SHIZZLE · June 25th, 2005, 15:56

Which definately proved they are "forgiving" airplanes.

Wannabe2 · June 25th, 2005, 18:44

I would think they could do the program for around the same cost if not less. Tons less maintenance costs on fewer/newer aircraft etc. I really don't have any idea but that would be my guess... we'll all have to stay tuned to see...

MuscleShirt · June 28th, 2005, 12:25

[ QUOTE ]
Wow, I can only imagine how much the price is going to sky rocket when this ever comes to be. The price for the whole course in Sanford already appears to have doubled in the past 5 years, and is the main reason I can no longer recommend the Sanford program to anyone.

Still, I'll believe it when I see it. I still remember "Jet Direct" as another sure-to-happen deal that never came to be (Thank God).

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, if the school wants to be competetive by any means they cannot charge more for the training. I have also heard, from credible sources, that the lease on each cirrus will actually cost less than the current lease prices on the arrows. Plus, every TBO the aircraft will be swapped for new ones.

I think it is a good deal and necessary for the school's survival, but I must agree with "Shizzle". I am not keen on trading airplane time for Sim time. We all know it's not the same, and I'm afraid to see what would happen to the quality of "stick & rudder" abilities of people who come in with 0 time.

Who knows...I guess we'll see....

l82av8 · June 29th, 2005, 17:36

Im not trying to ruin your credible source. But i somehow i hope/disbelieve that the lease payment on a 100-200 thousand dollar arrow is less than a 250-400 thousand dollar airplane.

ERJ-135 · June 30th, 2005, 20:51

I don't think it will happen. The insurance cost is sky high for the Cirrus and about 4 times as high as the older DCA aircraft. The Cirrus aircraft are still new on the claims chart and the insurance industry has placed high high premiums on them. Unless Cirrus has cut a sweat deal, the high cost is another factor that will keep DCA from owning more than one for show.

planediveguy · July 1st, 2005, 17:34

It will be a lot more than just one and they won't be for show....

MuscleShirt · July 5th, 2005, 11:57

[ QUOTE ]
Im not trying to ruin your credible source. But i somehow i hope/disbelieve that the lease payment on a 100-200 thousand dollar arrow is less than a 250-400 thousand dollar airplane.

[/ QUOTE ]

It's not that hard to believe when you are talking about a large number of aircraft, and a long term contract. Cirrus makes out better on the deal than anyone else.
You take 60 ~300,000 dollar aircraft, lease them to a flight school until the first TBO, take the plane back, put a new engine into it and sell it for 200-250 thousand.

June 25th, 2005, 08:29	#1
MuscleShirt Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mulletville Posts: 85	Equipment Upgrade Has anybody heard any recent information as far as a timeline is concerned for the equip. upgrade?

June 25th, 2005, 14:25	#2
Z28_Pilot Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 30	Re: Equipment Upgrade Yeah......4 new PCATDs due on property by Aug. 2005 Seriously, what are they planning to upgrade?.....the 172s?

June 25th, 2005, 14:31	#3
FO_SHIZZLE Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: CLT Posts: 198	Re: Equipment Upgrade They word on the street is an upgrade to Cirrus airframes for Inst., Comm., and I guess Private too but I don't know. The rumor is getting your initial comm. in the multi. thus taking care of the complex requirements and then getting the single add-on in the Cirrus. If they go this route though, it will probably include purchasing some full motion sims and switching from a 141 to a 142 program. New equipment is always cool but I'm not a big fan of 142 programs because of the decrease of actual flying in favor of sims. I flew an SR-22 when Cirrus was here last and those things are incredible, but it remains to be seen if they can take the beatings like a 152.

June 25th, 2005, 15:09	#4
chrisdahut1 Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Louisville, KY & Florida Posts: 268	Re: Equipment Upgrade Wow, I can only imagine how much the price is going to sky rocket when this ever comes to be. The price for the whole course in Sanford already appears to have doubled in the past 5 years, and is the main reason I can no longer recommend the Sanford program to anyone. Still, I'll believe it when I see it. I still remember "Jet Direct" as another sure-to-happen deal that never came to be (Thank God).

June 25th, 2005, 15:15	#5
mnixon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ann Arbor Posts: 546	Re: Equipment Upgrade [ QUOTE ] I flew an SR-22 when Cirrus was here last and those things are incredible, but it remains to be seen if they can take the beatings like a 152. [/ QUOTE ] It's because you had a superior pilot at the controls!

June 25th, 2005, 15:56	#6
FO_SHIZZLE Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: CLT Posts: 198	Re: Equipment Upgrade Which definately proved they are "forgiving" airplanes.

June 25th, 2005, 18:44	#7
Wannabe2 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 224	Re: Equipment Upgrade I would think they could do the program for around the same cost if not less. Tons less maintenance costs on fewer/newer aircraft etc. I really don't have any idea but that would be my guess... we'll all have to stay tuned to see...

June 28th, 2005, 12:25	#8
MuscleShirt Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mulletville Posts: 85	Re: Equipment Upgrade [ QUOTE ] Wow, I can only imagine how much the price is going to sky rocket when this ever comes to be. The price for the whole course in Sanford already appears to have doubled in the past 5 years, and is the main reason I can no longer recommend the Sanford program to anyone. Still, I'll believe it when I see it. I still remember "Jet Direct" as another sure-to-happen deal that never came to be (Thank God). [/ QUOTE ] Well, if the school wants to be competetive by any means they cannot charge more for the training. I have also heard, from credible sources, that the lease on each cirrus will actually cost less than the current lease prices on the arrows. Plus, every TBO the aircraft will be swapped for new ones. I think it is a good deal and necessary for the school's survival, but I must agree with "Shizzle". I am not keen on trading airplane time for Sim time. We all know it's not the same, and I'm afraid to see what would happen to the quality of "stick & rudder" abilities of people who come in with 0 time. Who knows...I guess we'll see....

June 29th, 2005, 17:36	#9
l82av8 Newbie Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 11	Re: Equipment Upgrade Im not trying to ruin your credible source. But i somehow i hope/disbelieve that the lease payment on a 100-200 thousand dollar arrow is less than a 250-400 thousand dollar airplane.

June 30th, 2005, 20:51	#10
ERJ-135 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: USA Posts: 277	Re: Equipment Upgrade I don't think it will happen. The insurance cost is sky high for the Cirrus and about 4 times as high as the older DCA aircraft. The Cirrus aircraft are still new on the claims chart and the insurance industry has placed high high premiums on them. Unless Cirrus has cut a sweat deal, the high cost is another factor that will keep DCA from owning more than one for show.

July 1st, 2005, 17:34	#11
planediveguy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 319	Re: Equipment Upgrade It will be a lot more than just one and they won't be for show....

July 5th, 2005, 11:57	#12
MuscleShirt Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mulletville Posts: 85	Re: Equipment Upgrade [ QUOTE ] Im not trying to ruin your credible source. But i somehow i hope/disbelieve that the lease payment on a 100-200 thousand dollar arrow is less than a 250-400 thousand dollar airplane. [/ QUOTE ] It's not that hard to believe when you are talking about a large number of aircraft, and a long term contract. Cirrus makes out better on the deal than anyone else. You take 60 ~300,000 dollar aircraft, lease them to a flight school until the first TBO, take the plane back, put a new engine into it and sell it for 200-250 thousand.

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