Anybody have any experience putting a plane on a 135?

[Duck_Twacy]

I know some folks that are interested in putting their aircraft on a local charter company's 135 cert. Anyone have any experience with that?

[minitour]

What kinda questions do you have?

-mini

[Duck_Twacy]

Mini, PM on it's way, thanks!

[minitour]

Got it. I'm not ignoring ya, don't worry! I'll try to respond tonight/tomorrow am. I just found out there are naked chicks downtown. A man's got to have priorities.

-mini

[ntbjounin]

yes, i have the same question.... can anyone link me to what is involved in starting a small 1 plane VFR only 135 operation?

[TFaudree_ERAU]

http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certific...ia/n135toc.pdf

[MFT1Air]

Interesting. I'm curious how that's going to work out. I've "heard" it's not an easy task applying and receiving a Part 135.

. . .about as hard as Part 61 trying to get Part 141. Significant red tape.

[flyingmaniac]

Originally Posted by MFT1Air

Interesting. I'm curious how that's going to work out. I've "heard" it's not an easy task applying and receiving a Part 135.

. . .about as hard as Part 61 trying to get Part 141. Significant red tape.

Most FSDO's claim that they are understaffed now and aren't accepting any applications to start your own Part 135.

A few areas that I know about are taking at least 18 to 24 months before looking at your application.

The notorious areas are Houston, Tx and ALL of Florida.

It is easier to purchase an established company than to start your own business from scratch. Those quick 6-month paperwork start-ups are no longer possible anywhere.

[minitour]

Originally Posted by flyingmaniac

It is easier to purchase an established company than to start your own business from scratch. Those quick 6-month paperwork start-ups are no longer possible anywhere.

That's just ridiculously false. If you have your paperwork and aircraft (mx) in order when you submit and the fed doesn't have to kick it back to you 99 times, you can do it in less than 6 months. The trick is finding the right FSDO that is willing to get your application in and certification process started.

-mini

[flyingmaniac]

Originally Posted by minitour

That's just ridiculously false. If you have your paperwork and aircraft (mx) in order when you submit and the fed doesn't have to kick it back to you 99 times, you can do it in less than 6 months. The trick is finding the right FSDO that is willing to get your application in and certification process started.

-mini

There are very FEW FSDO's that will do that now, especially in the larger cities where people will find more business out of.

How long ago (year) did you apply and get approved?

[minitour]

Originally Posted by flyingmaniac

How long ago (year) did you apply and get approved?

2009

We had our first compliance inspection less than 2 months after the PASI was accepted and then the a/c owner decided he didn't want to overhaul the prop and governor for 135...so we're stuck without an aircraft and likely to be "kicked out" here within the next few weeks (if that message isn't waiting for me on my machine back at home/office).

The project manager said he could have finished us up in less than a month if the inspection had gone well. It's a real shame.

The key is to have your paperwork ready to go and approvable when you get your first meeting at the FSDO. We were able to skip the "timeline" meeting because I had everything with me at the preapplication meeting. That certainly helped speed things up. If they know you're on top of stuff, they'll work with you because their job is easier if you make it easier.

-mini

[MFT1Air]

Originally Posted by flyingmaniac

There are very FEW FSDO's that will do that now, especially in the larger cities where people will find more business out of.

How long ago (year) did you apply and get approved?

Interesting. . .two "entities" here in Houston started their process in 2007; still not complete. Could be the aforementioned red tape or multitasking.

[ppragman]

Originally Posted by minitour

That's just ridiculously false. If you have your paperwork and aircraft (mx) in order when you submit and the fed doesn't have to kick it back to you 99 times, you can do it in less than 6 months. The trick is finding the right FSDO that is willing to get your application in and certification process started.

-mini

Up here the process is actually pretty straight forward. There's the paperwork to start a "Single Pilot Part 135 Operation" in the office at the FSDO. Fill it out, show proof of insurance, do you conformity check and your checkride and you're golden.

[flyingmaniac]

Originally Posted by ppragman

Up here the process is actually pretty straight forward. There's the paperwork to start a "Single Pilot Part 135 Operation" in the office at the FSDO. Fill it out, show proof of insurance, do you conformity check and your checkride and you're golden.

Which FSDO are you referring about? I have talked to many people in the position to start their own company in Alaska but have been deterred by the long waiting process.

This is all information for me to go back to them to tell them the good FSDO's to go to.

[ppragman]

Originally Posted by flyingmaniac

Which FSDO are you referring about? I have talked to many people in the position to start their own company in Alaska but have been deterred by the long waiting process.

This is all information for me to go back to them to tell them the good FSDO's to go to.

ANC FSDO and JNU FSDO are pretty straight forward.

Its a pain in the ass if you're going for full 135 initially, because you have to write up an ops manual etc. first, however, for SP135 its a piece of cake from what I hear.

[minitour]

If you can get by with a single pilot 135 and then upgrade it later, that's probably a good way to do it. Even if you're ready for a "basic 135" certificate, if you can get by with single pilot I'd probably have to say that's not a bad idea.

Turn in the manuals after your certification is done and say "I'd like to upgrade my certificate. Here are my manuals for your approval." and let them work on it.

-mini