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| Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: I want to fly jets!
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Had a nice little flight over the weekend to take 8 folks to up DFW to tailgate and watch a Dallas Cowboys Game. We decided to land in Grand Prairie instead of arlington because much less traffic and cheaper fuel. Turns out we were the only ones that went into GP, so it was nice. With that being said, my capt'n decided after we droped off our passengers that we should do some touch and go's!! The runway is a 4000X75' strip and it was quite fun to get to do touch and go's there! My capt'n told me that my flying is really good, and my landing are actually really good, but now we wants to focus on getting me up to flying "professional". Meaning, everything smooth! especially in the pattern and on final for the landings. I keep trying to fly the metro like a small cessna! Meaning, wings level at each phase of the pattern, the problem with that is that it makes for an uber wide pattern! So my capt'n wants me to be wings level really only on final and on downwind. The rest should be one smooth turn . .. upwind to downwind and downwind to final. They got better, but I am having a harder time knowing how to adjust . . . in a small plane I know exactly where that plane will be after a turn, but with the speed of the metro, I cant gauge it as well right now. Capt also told me that he is in a bit of pinch, because he wants me to do more landings (when we have passengers) but they are used to a 10,000 hour pilot landing the plane. And the only way I'm going to get better is to practice in our plane. . . but we really cant pracitice with passengers on board. Again, the landings are good, but we are looking for smoothness. So here we are . . . and the learning continues!
__________________ jerrywhite7 COM, Inst, CFI, CFI-I, MEI FO Metroliner Capt:"If I wanted your opinion I'd give it to you!" |
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| | #103 |
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If your captain wants you to get experience flying the airplane, which just so happens to be full of passengers most of the time, he's going to have to break down and just let you do it. He needs to speak to the owners and explain to them that he wants you to get some more stick time, but that the first few hours may be a little less smooth than they're used to. They'll understand...he just has to have the guts to approach them. The excuse that the passengers are used to a 10,000 hour pilot landing the airplane is rubbish. He/they hired you, you've obviously proven yourself thus far, and now it's time to share the flying duties. I don't know anything about your captain, but if you're doing as well as you say you're doing, there might be a bit of apprehension that you'll "show him up". Some old captains have the mentality that they're the king poombah and that by allowing you to fly the airplane with passengers, you'll somehow throw their universe out of harmony. I know exactly what you're going through; I dealt with the same thing when I first started flying the Lear. For six months, all I heard was how well I was doing and that we'd start swapping legs soon (with me flying from the right seat). We had flown a lot of trips to the maintenance shop, all of which I had flown from the left seat. Time and time again, I demonstrated that, even with crappy weather and challenging conditions, I wasn't going to kill anyone. Finally, the boss asked why I was never flying the airplane, and that's when it finally happened. Last edited by TFaudree_ERAU; October 26th, 2009 at 12:34. |
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| | #104 |
| Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: South Dakota
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| | #105 |
| Old Skool | Been there done that. I once cared about the freight. Now I care about me.
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| | #106 | |
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| | #107 |
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Went on a quick trip to south texas on Friday. . . and when we took off, the capt'n informed me that I would start flying legs. So the first leg was mine! And of course, during takeoff one of our bleed air valves got stuck in the "high" air setting, so I got to do a turn around and land after trying to recycle the air from hight to low. So did a quick pattern, and and landing at our home base. Then it was back in the air, after informing the pax what happened, and away we went to deep south texas. I fllew about 45 min or so hand flying, then let the auto pilot take it from there. We ended up shootting the visual, but the airport was right on top of me by the time I (and capt) saw it, and of course traffic was on my "blind side" (left hand traffic) so pattern was pretty crappy, which meant the landing was not my best piece of work. But I got the plane down but not on centerline . Anyway, capt was pretty pleased, and all seems pretty good. looks like I'm starting to earn my seat. . . i even got to "have his back" a few times on his leg!! GOOD STUFF!! He keeps asking me if I still like my job, and I let him know that I do!!! So good times, having a great time, and still learning so much! I feel like one feels after they get there instrument rating . . . "how do they let private pilots fly without know all this stuff." i jsut feel like I am learning so much each and everytime I fly! By the way, I ferried a plane out the other day, it was the first time i had been in a light twin since I goot my multi-rating!! Man what fun!!! And what a very easy plane to fly!!! (duchess)
__________________ jerrywhite7 COM, Inst, CFI, CFI-I, MEI FO Metroliner Capt:"If I wanted your opinion I'd give it to you!" |
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| | #108 |
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MAN I LOVE MY JOB!!! All week and not one flight. Still getting paid though!! AH!! makes my wife really mad!!! ![]() By the way, has anyone ever used the Jeppensin "flight Deck" software. We have "Jepp-view" but on the last trip I took I bought a small netbook (little 10.5 " laptop) and loaded the program on there, hooked a GPS via bluetooth up and used this as my EFB. I am not sure yet if I like it or not . . . and I wanted to get a few thoughts out there from anyone that has used this system or not. I think I will still need to print approach plates (the netbook just sits on my lap). I do like it because I can look up airways, and fixes . . . which is handy. And I have both Jet routes and low airway routes on the same map. Thoughts?
__________________ jerrywhite7 COM, Inst, CFI, CFI-I, MEI FO Metroliner Capt:"If I wanted your opinion I'd give it to you!" |
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| | #109 |
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We have Flitedeck on a tablet PC as a backup to our electronic charts in the Hawker (display on the MFD). We hardly ever use it, but it does seem like a great alternative to lugging around 10 books full of paper charts (HP4000 & Latin America) like we have to do in the Lear. I like having JeppView on my laptop so I can review charts at home before a trip. |
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| | #110 |
| Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: South FL (sometimes)
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| Ha ha, yeah tell me about it... I just had 6 days off, then yesterday we flew the plane from PBI - CLT - TEB. I airlined back last night, and have nothing to do until Sunday when we airline back up there and bring it back to PBI. Then my vacation starts! Seriously though, I do try to enjoy these slow times as we also get crazy busy sometimes. I've spent 2 weeks or more on the road before, and that gets pretty rough. Still, I REALLY need to figure out something to do during my days off. I wish I could still flight instruct or something.
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| | #111 |
| Junior Member | ouch two weeks on the road. . . I bet that gets old!!! Yeah, today I went up to my old flight school and ended up taking a student up for 1.8 of dual given! Good times! Gave me something to do, and I got paid.
__________________ jerrywhite7 COM, Inst, CFI, CFI-I, MEI FO Metroliner Capt:"If I wanted your opinion I'd give it to you!" |
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| | #113 |
| Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bahstan, MA
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We run JeppView on the laptop as a back up to charts on the MFD just like TFaudree. Jepp Enroutes paper.
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| | #114 |
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hey thanks everyone for their comments on the Jeppview/flight Deck. yeah, it seems to work pretty good as a back up. So I went to the hangar the other day to go over some systems, and get to know the plane even better (OK I WAS BORED AND HAD NOTHING ELSE TO DO). In the down time I decided to take a few pic's of the new layout. . . What do you think? (Ok tried to upload some pic's but couldnt do it. . . MORE TO COME!)
__________________ jerrywhite7 COM, Inst, CFI, CFI-I, MEI FO Metroliner Capt:"If I wanted your opinion I'd give it to you!" |
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| | #115 |
| Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ??
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Don't know if anybody already mentioned it, but the Metroliner and Merlin are two types built by the same manufacturer- Swearingen, which later was acquired by Fairchild. There is no such thing as a "Merlin Metro." Whether what you are flying is called a Merlin or a Metro depends on which it is and you can tell by the serial number. The number parts of the SN are consecutive in the order they were built. The prefix of the serial number determines whether it's a Metro or Merlin. They were building them at the same time. The suffixes in the types below will be the prefix in that type's serial number, if that makes sense. For example, AT-561 is one that I used to fly and that would be a Merlin IV-C. If it were an Expediter (yours won't be if you're flying pax), it would have a "B" on the end (for example, AT-446B). Metros: SA-226TC (aka Metro and Metro II) SA-227AC, -BC (aka Metro III) SA-227CC, -DC, (aka Metro 23) Merlins: SA-226T (aka the Merlin III-A) SA-226TB (aka the Merlin III-B) SA-227TT (aka the Merlin III-C) SA-226AT (aka the Merlin IV-A) SA-227AT (aka the Merlin IV-C which was a corporate version of the Metro III or Expediter which was a cargo version of the corporate version )Don't ask me why they had to make it so confusing. I always just use one of the dozen or so nicknames for it. Now, quit calling yours a "Merlin Metro," because it makes you sound like... well... a passenger- and report back with which one it really is. ![]()
__________________ ATP/CFI/CFII/SA-227/LR-60 Last edited by EatSleepFly; November 10th, 2009 at 15:45. Reason: attempting to clarify |
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| | #116 |
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sa-227DC AT sorry. . . most folks call all fairchilds "Merlins". Yes to be correct we are a Metro . . . sorry, didnt mean to rub you wrong!!! ![]()
__________________ jerrywhite7 COM, Inst, CFI, CFI-I, MEI FO Metroliner Capt:"If I wanted your opinion I'd give it to you!" Last edited by jerrywhite7; November 10th, 2009 at 16:31. Reason: make it right |
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| Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark, AZ (KMZJ)
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HOLY COW! That must be THE most complicated lineage ever.
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| | #119 |
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nothing about these airplanes are easy!!!!!! not flying them, not landing them not naming them, shoot. . . it is even hard to clean them!!!!
__________________ jerrywhite7 COM, Inst, CFI, CFI-I, MEI FO Metroliner Capt:"If I wanted your opinion I'd give it to you!" |
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| Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ??
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The SA26-AT (Merlin II-B) was the first TPE331 powered Merlin. The new wings, gear, nacelles, and tail began with the SA-226T. All of the above plus the SA-226TB, and SA-227TT are short Merlins. The only long Merlin is the SA-227AT. I'm not sure why they didn't just call that one a Metro. Quote:
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you are like the merlin/metro guru!!! How did you end up knowing so much about them? Really, you seem to know a ton!!!!
__________________ jerrywhite7 COM, Inst, CFI, CFI-I, MEI FO Metroliner Capt:"If I wanted your opinion I'd give it to you!" |
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| Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oregon
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Can you still remember what the 10 transferable items are? And put your books away. | |
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| Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ??
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Lets see... -Left WS heat -De-ice boots -Crossflow valve -Landing gear position -Landing gear control -Left side instrument lights -Left side turn & slip -Left side pitch trim -Left pitot heat -Uhhh??? One of them didn't usually apply... must be battery temp? Am I close? And no, I didn't use my books. My AFM is buried in a box somewhere 300 miles away.
__________________ ATP/CFI/CFII/SA-227/LR-60 Last edited by EatSleepFly; November 11th, 2009 at 01:33. | |||
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| Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oregon
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Nice! pig flow dump Pilots DC instruments-turn and slip Ice protection-pilots windshield heat, surface de-ice boots, left and right intake eat Gear-control and position lights flow-fuel crossflow valve dump-cabin pressure dump I absolutely love love love the metro right.... |
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| | #125 |
| Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ??
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| Dang it... I was beating my head against the desk trying to remember that stupid acronym. ![]() Oh well... sorta on the right track.
__________________ ATP/CFI/CFII/SA-227/LR-60 Last edited by EatSleepFly; November 11th, 2009 at 10:07. |
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