Clay Lacy Aviation

JDE · April 8th, 2004, 13:19

Has anyone here flown for Clay Lacy? From what I've read, the little bit I know about the company itself, the "high profile" pax, and the variety of aircraft, I'm thinking it would be a good stepping stone into corporate aviation. Also, are there any charter companies that corporate flight departments tend to look fondly upon versus other charter companies? Thanks.

Tired · April 8th, 2004, 19:11

How much time do you have? I wouldn't set you sights on one company, I know guys there and it's tough to get on right now.

CaptainMatt · April 9th, 2004, 00:44

I've heard Clay Lacy is a mean guy.
Besides that their setup at Van Nuys is nice.... They have some nice planes going in and out of there.

MikeD · April 9th, 2004, 01:04

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I've heard Clay Lacy is a mean guy.
Besides that their setup at Van Nuys is nice.... They have some nice planes going in and out of there.

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A buddy of mine works there.

Lacy can be a pain in the rear.......

JDE · April 9th, 2004, 23:47

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How much time do you have? I wouldn't set you sights on one company, I know guys there and it's tough to get on right now.

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Not enough time to even worry about it right now. Just wanted to see what is out there so I can set some goals.

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I've heard Clay Lacy is a mean guy.

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I've met him a couple of times when he stopped in for fuel. He didn't seem like the most friendly person, but at least he did speak to me. Maybe he is one of those people who are nice on TV and not so nice in person.

FLpilot · April 10th, 2004, 22:20

Clay H. Lacy...........SCAB

UAL strike of '85, he is on the list.

MikeD · April 10th, 2004, 22:51

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Clay H. Lacy...........SCAB

UAL strike of '85, he is on the list.

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No kidding. What's his background. My buddy that works for him says he can be real difficult to deal with....iron-sword like.

FLpilot · April 11th, 2004, 18:44

I don't know anything about his background except that he is one of the 928 United SCABS on the "US Master Pilot Scab List", aka "Jumpseat Protection List".

C650CPT · April 12th, 2004, 09:46

Mike
Clay Lacy writes alot of articles for Professional Pilot magazine ( mainly a corporate pilot magazine ). I've always enjoyed reading them as he blends alot of technical and practical knowledge. His bio says he holds 25 type rateings, every thing from a DC3 to a 747. He's a retired UAL Capt. and has a FBO / Charter Company in CA. He caters to the LA crowd.

Jim

Tired · April 12th, 2004, 13:12

[ QUOTE ]
Mike
Clay Lacy writes alot of articles for Professional Pilot magazine ( mainly a corporate pilot magazine ). I've always enjoyed reading them as he blends alot of technical and practical knowledge. His bio says he holds 25 type rateings, every thing from a DC3 to a 747. He's a retired UAL Capt. and has a FBO / Charter Company in CA. He caters to the LA crowd.

Jim

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Professional Pilot rag is a joke. First off, nobody actually pays for the thing, FBOs, pilots, and others in the industry get it for free. Then they write about some "questionable" operators such as Northtrop-Grumman, etc... I love the articles about crews flying to Europe, catching a nap the airplane and then flying back. Or running a flight department out a car trunk. Of course they make these places out to be great places to work.

C650CPT · April 12th, 2004, 13:20

Didn't read those stories.

FL270 · April 12th, 2004, 13:23

[ QUOTE ]
Professional Pilot rag is a joke. First off, nobody actually pays for the thing, FBOs, pilots, and others in the industry get it for free.

[/ QUOTE ]None of the "subscribers" to Jetcareers pay for it either ... does that make this website a "joke"? I happen to enjoy reading Pro Pilot ... some of the stuff is good, some isn't. If you don't like it, don't read it.[ QUOTE ]
Then they write about some "questionable" operators such as Northrop-Grumman, etc...

[/ QUOTE ]I've heard a lot of people call NG "questionable" but the only evidence they cite is the fact that they put their airplanes on charter and they seem to have quite a bit of turnover. Both of those things would give me pause when seeking a corporate job, but I think I'd like more information before branding some department as disreputable.[ QUOTE ]
I love the articles about crews flying to Europe, catching a nap the airplane and then flying back. Or running a flight department out a car trunk. Of course they make these places out to be great places to work.

[/ QUOTE ]Those department profiles, good bad and indifferent, quote the principals of the company and the pilots who work there. Are any of them going to say something bad about their employer for large-scale publication? I don't think so. Therefore, a discriminating reader must look beyond what is written and draw their own conclusions. No matter what anybody says about the place, I'd never go to work at a company that would make me fly a Lear 35 from Reno to London then sleep in the cabin! And judging by the mail Pro Pilot got the next month, I'm hardly the only one who feels that way.

Doug Taylor · April 12th, 2004, 13:51

I used to read Professional Pilot when I was a regional pilot and it usually made me want to pull my hair out. But then I got it for free so it really didn't matter.

I do think it's horribly slanted towards owners and against professional pilots even though it's named "Professional Pilot".

Take a peek at most of the letters to the editor.

Mr_Creepy · April 12th, 2004, 14:59

And the Terminal Checklist is always a bunch of trick questions that have absolutely no bearing on real life!

Doug Taylor · April 12th, 2004, 15:09

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And the Terminal Checklist is always a bunch of trick questions that have absolutely no bearing on real life!

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YES!

"So, would the 3.2% gradient on the glidepath ensure complaince with all aspects of TERPS for the arriving airport if conducting the ILS LOC ONLY (GS OUT) while respecting the VDP's and the blah blah blah".

Mr_Creepy · April 12th, 2004, 15:14

I used to love that thing but recently it has gone WAY over the top.

Tired · April 12th, 2004, 16:03

[ QUOTE ]
None of the "subscribers" to Jetcareers pay for it either ... does that make this website a "joke"? I happen to enjoy reading Pro Pilot ... some of the stuff is good, some isn't. If you don't like it, don't read it.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hmm...jetcareers is a website, plenty of good and free websites to read. As an American it is my choice to not like it, read it, and then complain to anyone who will listen.

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I've heard a lot of people call NG "questionable" but the only evidence they cite is the fact that they put their airplanes on charter and they seem to have quite a bit of turnover. Both of those things would give me pause when seeking a corporate job, but I think I'd like more information before branding some department as disreputable.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, putting the aircraft on charter is a downside, but that's not the reason. Turnover is the result of the problems, not the problem itself. I'm not going to go into details, but their practices were both illegal and unsafe. To be fair to Northrop, they did clean house over there...everyone that was upper level in that flight department is on the street.

lazyb · May 2nd, 2004, 13:47

[ QUOTE ]
Mike
Clay Lacy writes alot of articles for Professional Pilot magazine ( mainly a corporate pilot magazine ). I've always enjoyed reading them as he blends alot of technical and practical knowledge. His bio says he holds 25 type rateings, every thing from a DC3 to a 747. He's a retired UAL Capt. and has a FBO / Charter Company in CA. He caters to the LA crowd.

Jim

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You've seen him write...
He has a byline.

April 8th, 2004, 13:19	#1
JDE Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 1,521	Clay Lacy Aviation Has anyone here flown for Clay Lacy? From what I've read, the little bit I know about the company itself, the "high profile" pax, and the variety of aircraft, I'm thinking it would be a good stepping stone into corporate aviation. Also, are there any charter companies that corporate flight departments tend to look fondly upon versus other charter companies? Thanks.

April 8th, 2004, 19:11	#2
Tired Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 514	Re: Clay Lacy Aviation How much time do you have? I wouldn't set you sights on one company, I know guys there and it's tough to get on right now.

April 9th, 2004, 00:44	#3
CaptainMatt Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Space Shuttle Posts: 620	Re: Clay Lacy Aviation I've heard Clay Lacy is a mean guy. Besides that their setup at Van Nuys is nice.... They have some nice planes going in and out of there.

April 9th, 2004, 01:04	#4
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Clay Lacy Aviation [ QUOTE ] I've heard Clay Lacy is a mean guy. Besides that their setup at Van Nuys is nice.... They have some nice planes going in and out of there. [/ QUOTE ] A buddy of mine works there. Lacy can be a pain in the rear.......

April 9th, 2004, 23:47	#5
JDE Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 1,521	Re: Clay Lacy Aviation [ QUOTE ] How much time do you have? I wouldn't set you sights on one company, I know guys there and it's tough to get on right now. [/ QUOTE ] Not enough time to even worry about it right now. Just wanted to see what is out there so I can set some goals. [ QUOTE ] I've heard Clay Lacy is a mean guy. [/ QUOTE ] I've met him a couple of times when he stopped in for fuel. He didn't seem like the most friendly person, but at least he did speak to me. Maybe he is one of those people who are nice on TV and not so nice in person.

April 10th, 2004, 22:20	#6
FLpilot Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 155	Re: Clay Lacy Aviation Clay H. Lacy...........SCAB UAL strike of '85, he is on the list.

April 10th, 2004, 22:51	#7
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Clay Lacy Aviation [ QUOTE ] Clay H. Lacy...........SCAB UAL strike of '85, he is on the list. [/ QUOTE ] No kidding. What's his background. My buddy that works for him says he can be real difficult to deal with....iron-sword like.

April 11th, 2004, 18:44	#8
FLpilot Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 155	Re: Clay Lacy Aviation I don't know anything about his background except that he is one of the 928 United SCABS on the "US Master Pilot Scab List", aka "Jumpseat Protection List".

April 12th, 2004, 09:46	#9
C650CPT Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Home Sweet Home! Posts: 957	Re: Clay Lacy Aviation Mike Clay Lacy writes alot of articles for Professional Pilot magazine ( mainly a corporate pilot magazine ). I've always enjoyed reading them as he blends alot of technical and practical knowledge. His bio says he holds 25 type rateings, every thing from a DC3 to a 747. He's a retired UAL Capt. and has a FBO / Charter Company in CA. He caters to the LA crowd. Jim

April 12th, 2004, 13:12	#10
Tired Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 514	Re: Clay Lacy Aviation [ QUOTE ] Mike Clay Lacy writes alot of articles for Professional Pilot magazine ( mainly a corporate pilot magazine ). I've always enjoyed reading them as he blends alot of technical and practical knowledge. His bio says he holds 25 type rateings, every thing from a DC3 to a 747. He's a retired UAL Capt. and has a FBO / Charter Company in CA. He caters to the LA crowd. Jim [/ QUOTE ] Professional Pilot rag is a joke. First off, nobody actually pays for the thing, FBOs, pilots, and others in the industry get it for free. Then they write about some "questionable" operators such as Northtrop-Grumman, etc... I love the articles about crews flying to Europe, catching a nap the airplane and then flying back. Or running a flight department out a car trunk. Of course they make these places out to be great places to work.

April 12th, 2004, 13:20	#11
C650CPT Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Home Sweet Home! Posts: 957	Re: Clay Lacy Aviation Didn't read those stories.

April 12th, 2004, 13:23	#12
FL270 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,101	Re: Clay Lacy Aviation [ QUOTE ] Professional Pilot rag is a joke. First off, nobody actually pays for the thing, FBOs, pilots, and others in the industry get it for free. [/ QUOTE ]None of the "subscribers" to Jetcareers pay for it either ... does that make this website a "joke"? I happen to enjoy reading Pro Pilot ... some of the stuff is good, some isn't. If you don't like it, don't read it.[ QUOTE ] Then they write about some "questionable" operators such as Northrop-Grumman, etc... [/ QUOTE ]I've heard a lot of people call NG "questionable" but the only evidence they cite is the fact that they put their airplanes on charter and they seem to have quite a bit of turnover. Both of those things would give me pause when seeking a corporate job, but I think I'd like more information before branding some department as disreputable.[ QUOTE ] I love the articles about crews flying to Europe, catching a nap the airplane and then flying back. Or running a flight department out a car trunk. Of course they make these places out to be great places to work. [/ QUOTE ]Those department profiles, good bad and indifferent, quote the principals of the company and the pilots who work there. Are any of them going to say something bad about their employer for large-scale publication? I don't think so. Therefore, a discriminating reader must look beyond what is written and draw their own conclusions. No matter what anybody says about the place, I'd never go to work at a company that would make me fly a Lear 35 from Reno to London then sleep in the cabin! And judging by the mail Pro Pilot got the next month, I'm hardly the only one who feels that way.

April 12th, 2004, 13:51	#13
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,602 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Clay Lacy Aviation I used to read Professional Pilot when I was a regional pilot and it usually made me want to pull my hair out. But then I got it for free so it really didn't matter. I do think it's horribly slanted towards owners and against professional pilots even though it's named "Professional Pilot". Take a peek at most of the letters to the editor.

April 12th, 2004, 14:59	#14
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: Clay Lacy Aviation And the Terminal Checklist is always a bunch of trick questions that have absolutely no bearing on real life!

April 12th, 2004, 15:09	#15
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,602 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Clay Lacy Aviation [ QUOTE ] And the Terminal Checklist is always a bunch of trick questions that have absolutely no bearing on real life! [/ QUOTE ] YES! "So, would the 3.2% gradient on the glidepath ensure complaince with all aspects of TERPS for the arriving airport if conducting the ILS LOC ONLY (GS OUT) while respecting the VDP's and the blah blah blah".

April 12th, 2004, 15:14	#16
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: Clay Lacy Aviation I used to love that thing but recently it has gone WAY over the top.

April 12th, 2004, 16:03	#17
Tired Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 514	Re: Clay Lacy Aviation [ QUOTE ] None of the "subscribers" to Jetcareers pay for it either ... does that make this website a "joke"? I happen to enjoy reading Pro Pilot ... some of the stuff is good, some isn't. If you don't like it, don't read it. [/ QUOTE ] Hmm...jetcareers is a website, plenty of good and free websites to read. As an American it is my choice to not like it, read it, and then complain to anyone who will listen. [ QUOTE ] I've heard a lot of people call NG "questionable" but the only evidence they cite is the fact that they put their airplanes on charter and they seem to have quite a bit of turnover. Both of those things would give me pause when seeking a corporate job, but I think I'd like more information before branding some department as disreputable. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, putting the aircraft on charter is a downside, but that's not the reason. Turnover is the result of the problems, not the problem itself. I'm not going to go into details, but their practices were both illegal and unsafe. To be fair to Northrop, they did clean house over there...everyone that was upper level in that flight department is on the street.

May 2nd, 2004, 13:47	#18
lazyb Newbie Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2	Re: Clay Lacy Aviation [ QUOTE ] Mike Clay Lacy writes alot of articles for Professional Pilot magazine ( mainly a corporate pilot magazine ). I've always enjoyed reading them as he blends alot of technical and practical knowledge. His bio says he holds 25 type rateings, every thing from a DC3 to a 747. He's a retired UAL Capt. and has a FBO / Charter Company in CA. He caters to the LA crowd. Jim [/ QUOTE ] You've seen him write... He has a byline.

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