Good Opportunity? CAE Simflite

AirVenture · October 17th, 2007, 10:04

Hey guys, need some help on a career move.

I got a phone call the other day for an internship I applied for. Basically I'll get get classroom/sim training and eventually type rated in a turboprop/jet aircraft. This is all done as a right seat "fill-in" for people that don't have training partners for their simulator session. Many of these interns get jobs just by meeting sim patners. It's unpaid, however it's partime and and has very flexible hours. I lived in this area over summer and have connections at a flight school where I'm sure I can get a part-time CFI job. This should also free up enough time to get my MEI and ATP written out of the way. My current full time CFI job is leaving me no time to get any multi-time and my Gleim ATP is gathering dust on the shelf. Also, some of my long term goals include becoming a check airman, simulator instructor, and being involved in a flight standards department. What do you think? I'm also looking for any info from those who have been through their interview process.

More info:
http://www.cae.com/cts/scm/

-Brett

PGA07 · October 17th, 2007, 10:38

Sounds like a very good opportunity for you. It seems to be a stepping stone for some of your goals for the future as well. Even though it is unpaid, the opportunity in and of itself makes it worth while.

You hit on some key points; a type rating, networking and a very flexible schedule. If you can get that job locally as a CFI to off set some of the expenses, I would jump on it. Just the people you meet will have a big impact on your future in the industry.

I say give it a go!

Good Luck!

Hootie · October 17th, 2007, 11:59

Dude if I lived in Dallas I would have been ALL OVER THIS like four years ago. One of my best friends got like 4 types out of this gig and COUNTLESS contacts. If I could've talked the wife into a DFW move I woud STILL be all over this. Good Luck!!

fsiflyer · October 17th, 2007, 13:18

It is a great opportunity. I did the Simuflight internship as well and now I am flying corporate in a Lear 60. It DOES work. If you have a desire to fly biz jets you will meet TONS of people. Chief Pilots and Director of Flight Ops go for recurrent as well and you can network, network, network with them. I am not saying that my current position is a direct result of my internship but it sure as heck helped. We had a common bond and I was able to strut my stuff by being the best darn FO possible. Good luck.

TFaudree_ERAU · October 17th, 2007, 18:05

Another "testimonial" to add...well, two of them:

1) A friend of mine from Riddle went to work at FSI in Teterboro after he graduated, teaching recurrent and doing sim flights as a "fill in". He got typed in a Falcon 900EX and is now flying a Swiss based 900EX after being offered the job by a client he flew in the sim with.

2) I just came back from the Dallas Simuflite in the Lear 55. I would hire the guy that I had as my sim partner if I was the chief pilot of a flight department. He was on the ball. You could be that guy.

aloft · October 17th, 2007, 20:29

Sounds like the perfect opportunity for DFW-based Eagle FOs on reserve! (Hint, hint, Stan!)

JDE · October 17th, 2007, 20:47

My current job is a direct result of the Right Seat Program. I have a buddy currently doing it (JC Name: Poeman) in the Falcon 20/50. He says they've made some changes to the program which makes it better than when I was involved. My current boss was in for recurrent and I was his sim partner. He asked me if I'd be interested in living in Chattanooga (and of course since I had no job at the time and really no place to live) I jumped on it...and the pay was good! I also knew a guy in the Gulfstream V program who got a job about the same time I did...fairly low time as well. If you can get a CFI job (U.S. Flight Academy in Denton may be looking) then I don't think you can go wrong. Good luck!

CK · October 18th, 2007, 08:03

I also had a friend in his (very) early twenties with under a 1000 hours get hired through Flight Saftey doing this (flight saftey is paid though). With under a 1000 hours he was making 80k in the right seat of a Hawker at a fortune 100 company and will be on the GV before he is 25. He worked his ass off though and earned it in my opinion.

Alex.

fsiflyer · October 18th, 2007, 11:19

Just another add to this thread. One of the other Captain's at my company was hired the same way (almost). He was in the Flight Safety program and was hired directly into the Lear 60 for being an awesome FO. BTW...he was 22 when he got his first job flying jets, right into the Lear 60flying corporate. THIS DOES WORK and is a great networking tool.

mojo6911 · October 18th, 2007, 13:38

Make sure you get something you are insurable for. You are not likely to get hired in a real job if you get on something like the Citation X.

kiteflyer · October 18th, 2007, 20:33

i have a friend that does that for flight safety and has made a lot of good contacts and a few potential job offers.

AirVenture · October 20th, 2007, 15:50

Well, I just got back from Dallas. It looks like I'll be in the Beechjet 400! No class date set quite yet, but I should know shortly.

-Brett

TFaudree_ERAU · October 20th, 2007, 16:13

Awesome man, congrats! Next time I'm out there, I'll look you up.

By the way, awesome photo collection on Flikr. I did a little shooting myself on the perimeter road at DFW next to 18R, but after about an hour the Dallas SWAT team asked me to leave. You'll have to find us some good locations for next time.

fsiflyer · October 21st, 2007, 09:28

Big congrats. The Beechjet 400 is a very insurable airplane and I think you will find yourself flying a real one quicker than you think. Awesome job.

JDE · October 21st, 2007, 09:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by TFaudree_ERAU

Awesome man, congrats! Next time I'm out there, I'll look you up.

By the way, awesome photo collection on Flikr. I did a little shooting myself on the perimeter road at DFW next to 18R, but after about an hour the Dallas SWAT team asked me to leave. You'll have to find us some good locations for next time.

Do they still have the "viewing area" at the approach end of 35C? That was a good place to go sit around and watch airplanes...and no SWAT team!

Quote:

Originally Posted by fsiflyer

Big congrats. The Beechjet 400 is a very insurable airplane and I think you will find yourself flying a real one quicker than you think. Awesome job.

Congrats!!

TFaudree_ERAU · October 21st, 2007, 09:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDE

Do they still have the "viewing area" at the approach end of 35C? That was a good place to go sit around and watch airplanes...and no SWAT team!

Its still there, but they moved it; its now at the approach end of the 18s. I knew about it, but I would have been shooting straight into the 5 o'clock sun, so I played dumb when the SWAT showed up and told me I needed to be taking my pictures at the viewing area.

JDE · October 21st, 2007, 10:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by TFaudree_ERAU

Its still there, but they moved it; its now at the approach end of the 18s. I knew about it, but I would have been shooting straight into the 5 o'clock sun, so I played dumb when the SWAT showed up and told me I needed to be taking my pictures at the viewing area.

Well, that's good to know. Any idea why they moved it?

AirVenture · October 21st, 2007, 14:49

Thanks everybody!

My guess is they moved it due to security reasons. The new one isn't all that great, but it's better than nothing. I was really surprised, I never got hassled once by the police while spotting. Of course it was summer, so I rarely sat around for more than 30 minutes taking pictures. There's some decent shooting in an vacant parking lot at the Bear Creek Country Club. I'll never forget waiting 30 minutes in the 100 degree heat for an AA 777 departure. After awhile I gave up and left, only to see it pass overhead on the way home.

-Brett

PGA07 · October 22nd, 2007, 09:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by fsiflyer

Big congrats. The Beechjet 400 is a very insurable airplane and I think you will find yourself flying a real one quicker than you think. Awesome job.

Congratulations! Have fun!

E6BAV8R · October 22nd, 2007, 12:37

Congrats, Brett. I have wanted to do the CAE SimuFlite "right-seat" prog. for months now but haven't yet found out how I will do it while being in college and that it is unpaid.

AirVenture · October 22nd, 2007, 13:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by E6BAV8R

Congrats, Brett. I have wanted to do the CAE SimuFlite "right-seat" prog. for months now but haven't yet found out how I will do it while being in college and that it is unpaid.

Yeah, that would be pretty difficult to pull off. Luckily my parents are going to help me a little bit and I'll be flight instructing as much as I can. However it's going to rough the first month because I'm just going to concentrate on the CAE gig, and therefore no $$$ comming in.

Thanks everybody!
-Brett

PoeMan · October 24th, 2007, 13:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDE

Any idea why they moved it?

Easy answer, perimeter taxi-ways....
The new taxi-ways go oustide (south) of the old Founder's Plaza and so the airport made a temp watch spot on the north side just west of the Remote North Parking lot on Airport Rd. A "new" Founder's Plaza is said to be built once expansion is complete (whenever that is I do not know).
--------------------------------------------

SimuFlite (come on guys spell it correctly)...
I hadn't seen the website until about 2 minutes ago! Sorry but I laughed my butt off! They are trying to build it up and spin it their own way, DO NOT READ THIS AS A BAD THING. I just think its hilarious how companies can spin things these days (sorry, weird sense of humor). It is a great program and a great way to get a job. It proved to me that NETWORKING does exist and it works!

JUST MAKE SURE YOU CAN MAKE MONEY WHILE YOU DO IT!

I started in the Falcon 20 in Aug 2005 and added the Falcon 50 in July 2006. I got my type in the 20 in Feb 2007 (only because of some paperwork delays). I've been flying full-time contract in the 20 since Nov 2006 with a few nibbles on the 50 (but no flights) while still "working" at SF.

This new program is said to have taken effect this past summer but we (the RightSeaters or Supporting Crewmembers as we're now called) have not heard anything on classes for the CRM or JAA or other stuff they want you to learn. They are still trying to get everything the way they want it but I see this as a better program than before.

Good Luck and Welcome to SimuFlite!

If you're in the DFW area and have 2-3 weeks for class and a little spare time to network, APPLY FOR THIS POSITION!!!

moxiepilot · October 25th, 2007, 05:55

another instructor did a similar program through flightsafety. he met a bunch of people, which with better networking skills probably could have landed him a good corporate gig. he went the way of the regionals, but the skills helped him with flows, call outs etc.

i think it is a good idea and can benefit you and your skills

n57flyguy · October 25th, 2007, 06:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by moxiepilot

another instructor did a similar program through flightsafety. he met a bunch of people, which with better networking skills probably could have landed him a good corporate gig. he went the way of the regionals, but the skills helped him with flows, call outs etc.

i think it is a good idea and can benefit you and your skills

Same with a CFI here.

Congrats Brett!

wtbn · December 8th, 2007, 09:10

I just got the call to be in the January 7 orientation class.

October 17th, 2007, 10:04	#1
AirVenture Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 266	Good Opportunity? CAE Simflite Hey guys, need some help on a career move. I got a phone call the other day for an internship I applied for. Basically I'll get get classroom/sim training and eventually type rated in a turboprop/jet aircraft. This is all done as a right seat "fill-in" for people that don't have training partners for their simulator session. Many of these interns get jobs just by meeting sim patners. It's unpaid, however it's partime and and has very flexible hours. I lived in this area over summer and have connections at a flight school where I'm sure I can get a part-time CFI job. This should also free up enough time to get my MEI and ATP written out of the way. My current full time CFI job is leaving me no time to get any multi-time and my Gleim ATP is gathering dust on the shelf. Also, some of my long term goals include becoming a check airman, simulator instructor, and being involved in a flight standards department. What do you think? I'm also looking for any info from those who have been through their interview process. More info: http://www.cae.com/cts/scm/ -Brett

October 17th, 2007, 10:38	#2
PGA07 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: North Valley - Phoenix Posts: 694	Re: Good Opportunity? CAE Simflite Sounds like a very good opportunity for you. It seems to be a stepping stone for some of your goals for the future as well. Even though it is unpaid, the opportunity in and of itself makes it worth while. You hit on some key points; a type rating, networking and a very flexible schedule. If you can get that job locally as a CFI to off set some of the expenses, I would jump on it. Just the people you meet will have a big impact on your future in the industry. I say give it a go! Good Luck! __________________ "Shoot for the moon, even if you miss, you'll land among the stars!"

October 17th, 2007, 11:59	#3
Hootie Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: DEN, wishing I was back in PHX Posts: 1,684	Re: Good Opportunity? CAE Simflite Dude if I lived in Dallas I would have been ALL OVER THIS like four years ago. One of my best friends got like 4 types out of this gig and COUNTLESS contacts. If I could've talked the wife into a DFW move I woud STILL be all over this. Good Luck!! __________________ jamisonstudio.com The ladies go crazy for my sugarlumps.

October 17th, 2007, 13:18	#4
fsiflyer Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: From Los Angeles and based in Moscow Russia (UUEE, UUWW, & UUDD) Posts: 594	Re: Good Opportunity? CAE Simflite It is a great opportunity. I did the Simuflight internship as well and now I am flying corporate in a Lear 60. It DOES work. If you have a desire to fly biz jets you will meet TONS of people. Chief Pilots and Director of Flight Ops go for recurrent as well and you can network, network, network with them. I am not saying that my current position is a direct result of my internship but it sure as heck helped. We had a common bond and I was able to strut my stuff by being the best darn FO possible. Good luck. __________________ FSIFLYER CL30, HS125, LR60 ATP, CFII, MEI, former U.S. Marine Chief Pilot at a Corporate Flight Department in Moscow Russia

October 17th, 2007, 18:05	#5
TFaudree_ERAU Old Skool Join Date: May 2006 Location: How ya durrin Posts: 3,410	Re: Good Opportunity? CAE Simflite Another "testimonial" to add...well, two of them: 1) A friend of mine from Riddle went to work at FSI in Teterboro after he graduated, teaching recurrent and doing sim flights as a "fill in". He got typed in a Falcon 900EX and is now flying a Swiss based 900EX after being offered the job by a client he flew in the sim with. 2) I just came back from the Dallas Simuflite in the Lear 55. I would hire the guy that I had as my sim partner if I was the chief pilot of a flight department. He was on the ball. You could be that guy. __________________ "...we hope you enjoy yo flight today. Now sit down, shut up and here we go!"

October 17th, 2007, 20:29	#6
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cottonwood Heights, UT Posts: 8,396	Re: Good Opportunity? CAE Simflite Sounds like the perfect opportunity for DFW-based Eagle FOs on reserve! (Hint, hint, Stan!) __________________ ________\|________ -------(o)- ------° ° ° the cake is a lie...

October 17th, 2007, 20:47	#7
JDE Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 1,673	Re: Good Opportunity? CAE Simflite My current job is a direct result of the Right Seat Program. I have a buddy currently doing it (JC Name: Poeman) in the Falcon 20/50. He says they've made some changes to the program which makes it better than when I was involved. My current boss was in for recurrent and I was his sim partner. He asked me if I'd be interested in living in Chattanooga (and of course since I had no job at the time and really no place to live) I jumped on it...and the pay was good! I also knew a guy in the Gulfstream V program who got a job about the same time I did...fairly low time as well. If you can get a CFI job (U.S. Flight Academy in Denton may be looking) then I don't think you can go wrong. Good luck! __________________ Jason No Plane No Gain

October 18th, 2007, 08:03	#8
CK Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Delaware Posts: 1,721 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Good Opportunity? CAE Simflite I also had a friend in his (very) early twenties with under a 1000 hours get hired through Flight Saftey doing this (flight saftey is paid though). With under a 1000 hours he was making 80k in the right seat of a Hawker at a fortune 100 company and will be on the GV before he is 25. He worked his ass off though and earned it in my opinion. Alex. __________________ My airliners.net pics

October 18th, 2007, 11:19	#9
fsiflyer Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: From Los Angeles and based in Moscow Russia (UUEE, UUWW, & UUDD) Posts: 594	Re: Good Opportunity? CAE Simflite Just another add to this thread. One of the other Captain's at my company was hired the same way (almost). He was in the Flight Safety program and was hired directly into the Lear 60 for being an awesome FO. BTW...he was 22 when he got his first job flying jets, right into the Lear 60flying corporate. THIS DOES WORK and is a great networking tool. __________________ FSIFLYER CL30, HS125, LR60 ATP, CFII, MEI, former U.S. Marine Chief Pilot at a Corporate Flight Department in Moscow Russia

October 18th, 2007, 13:38	#10
mojo6911 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: GKY Posts: 3,724	Re: Good Opportunity? CAE Simflite Make sure you get something you are insurable for. You are not likely to get hired in a real job if you get on something like the Citation X.

October 18th, 2007, 20:33	#11
kiteflyer Newbie Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 24	Re: Good Opportunity? CAE Simflite i have a friend that does that for flight safety and has made a lot of good contacts and a few potential job offers.

October 20th, 2007, 15:50	#12
AirVenture Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 266	Re: Good Opportunity? CAE Simflite Well, I just got back from Dallas. It looks like I'll be in the Beechjet 400! No class date set quite yet, but I should know shortly. -Brett

October 20th, 2007, 16:13	#13
TFaudree_ERAU Old Skool Join Date: May 2006 Location: How ya durrin Posts: 3,410	Re: Good Opportunity? CAE Simflite Awesome man, congrats! Next time I'm out there, I'll look you up. By the way, awesome photo collection on Flikr. I did a little shooting myself on the perimeter road at DFW next to 18R, but after about an hour the Dallas SWAT team asked me to leave. You'll have to find us some good locations for next time. __________________ "...we hope you enjoy yo flight today. Now sit down, shut up and here we go!"

October 21st, 2007, 09:28	#14
fsiflyer Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: From Los Angeles and based in Moscow Russia (UUEE, UUWW, & UUDD) Posts: 594	Re: Good Opportunity? CAE Simflite Big congrats. The Beechjet 400 is a very insurable airplane and I think you will find yourself flying a real one quicker than you think. Awesome job. __________________ FSIFLYER CL30, HS125, LR60 ATP, CFII, MEI, former U.S. Marine Chief Pilot at a Corporate Flight Department in Moscow Russia

October 21st, 2007, 14:49	#18
AirVenture Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 266	Re: Good Opportunity? CAE Simflite Thanks everybody! My guess is they moved it due to security reasons. The new one isn't all that great, but it's better than nothing. I was really surprised, I never got hassled once by the police while spotting. Of course it was summer, so I rarely sat around for more than 30 minutes taking pictures. There's some decent shooting in an vacant parking lot at the Bear Creek Country Club. I'll never forget waiting 30 minutes in the 100 degree heat for an AA 777 departure. After awhile I gave up and left, only to see it pass overhead on the way home. -Brett

October 22nd, 2007, 12:37	#20
E6BAV8R Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: DFW Posts: 798	Re: Good Opportunity? CAE Simflite Congrats, Brett. I have wanted to do the CAE SimuFlite "right-seat" prog. for months now but haven't yet found out how I will do it while being in college and that it is unpaid.

October 25th, 2007, 05:55	#23
moxiepilot Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: CFI / CFII in PA Posts: 4,247	Re: Good Opportunity? CAE Simflite another instructor did a similar program through flightsafety. he met a bunch of people, which with better networking skills probably could have landed him a good corporate gig. he went the way of the regionals, but the skills helped him with flows, call outs etc. i think it is a good idea and can benefit you and your skills __________________ http://www.yinglingjewelry.com - help support a flight instructor Try? No, there is only do...or do not. There is no try.

December 8th, 2007, 09:10	#25
wtbn Newbie Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 9	Re: Good Opportunity? CAE Simflite I just got the call to be in the January 7 orientation class.

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