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February 6th, 2006, 14:22
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 |  Coporate College Degree Preference Not to get in the way of more important things, but would "the average" corporate outfit flying a Ciation, King AIr, or Lear prefer a 2 or four year degree? Any difference in the larger corporate aircraft(G IV/GV, Global Express)???? Thanks for any help you can give me, It might save me alot time a money in the long run.
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February 6th, 2006, 14:32
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| A 4 year degree is pretty much the standard for anything above a McD's job.
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February 6th, 2006, 15:57
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| My dad knows a guy who flies a GV for Randy Lerner (sp.) the owner of the Browns! When I meet him, I'll ask him what he thinks would be most sufficent.
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February 6th, 2006, 17:44
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| 4 year degree is a generally unwritten mandatory
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February 6th, 2006, 21:11
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February 6th, 2006, 23:12
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| You would be wise to get a 4 yr. degree in something besides Aviation. The reason for this is that the Chief Pilot will want to know what you are going to do for him when you are not flying. Therefore a 4 yr degree in Computer Science or Accounting or something along those lines will make you the candidate that will make his job easier, and that is what is all about ... how are you going to make the Boss's job easier. Jim
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February 7th, 2006, 06:50
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February 8th, 2006, 14:27
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| Talked to a G5 captain, and flown a G5 sim with him! but I asked him and he said he has 2 years of credits at Embry when he was at Germany, But he has 8,000 hours and about 4,000 sim hours and is rated on 9 + aircraft(been giving ratings for G5 and G4s for nine years) food for thought 
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February 8th, 2006, 18:54
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| Sounds to me like he is a retired Army Warrant Officer, if that's the case you are not comparing apples to apples. There are no short cuts, only different paths to this career. If you are serious about longevity and quality opportunities in aviation ... GET A FOUR YEAR DEGREE!!! Jim
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February 8th, 2006, 20:57
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Of course I want longevity and quality aviation opportunities, I just wanted to know if a two year degree could get me those opportunities.
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February 8th, 2006, 23:28
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| No tension here, actually it was more of a generalized statement for the masses. And yes you can get some great opportunities without the formal education. I am a prime example ... the exception to be sure. Without a doubt I could have and probably would have pursued other opportunities but lacking the four year degree has had its limits on my career. Jim
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February 9th, 2006, 00:49
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 I was one of the few lucky ones that got into this job without a degree. I happened to know the right people and be in the right place at the right time. I have since realized that if I want to have any more opportunities in aviation, such as airlines or large corporate flight departments, then I will need a four year degree. I have resumed my college studies, and I am about halfway to finishing my economics degree online. If you get an opportunity like me, then jump at the chance. But, you do need to finish the degree, even if it means taking online classes while you work. You will have plenty of time sitting around airports and hotels to complete the degree. I just wish I would have started my online studies much sooner. I sometimes have to sacrifice getting out to enjoy the places that I fly, but I believe it will be worth it in the long run when I have that degree in my pocket.
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February 9th, 2006, 06:44
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I was always planing on getting a 4 year degree, and still will, but I do see your point to the masses and it is good advice. Thanks.RynoB, Get that jet yet?
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February 10th, 2006, 00:08
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 Now that I'm through with training I will be flying it shortly. Monday is my first scheduled flight in it. Can't wait!
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February 10th, 2006, 07:30
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Have fun, try to get some pics for us, if you can. IM sooooo jelous.....
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February 11th, 2006, 17:13
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| I've been told that some companies try to stay away from pilots with online degrees, such as "Alfa Flying" who flies several Pilatus A/C and a Motorola GV pilot said the same. Are most of the larger corporate gigs starting to feel the same way? When I picture a Chief pilot interviewing a handful of qualified pilots and three have online degrees and the other two have a full blown four year degrees from a University with time being near equal I'd see the edge going to the person who walked into class every day. Yay or Nay? Just asking, because I'm curious.
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February 12th, 2006, 17:45
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February 15th, 2006, 10:39
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| I don't think that is necessarily true. I'm sure there are some places that think a "classroom degree" shows more dedication, but I think the opposite is true. If a person can accomplish, or finish, a degree online while holding down a full time job and taking care of a family, he has shown a great deal more discipline and commitment. Much more of a commitment than just showing up for class every day. |
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February 15th, 2006, 12:08
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February 15th, 2006, 17:42
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February 15th, 2006, 18:26
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February 21st, 2006, 00:34
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|  This is an interesting topic everyone. I have 2 years of college behind me and I am thinking that after I get my MEI that I will finish going to college during the time I am instructing. I decided to take a break in college for the reason to figure out what I really want to get my degree in. I think I will try to get something in business or communications that isn't realated to aviation for the reason of falling back onto something. But with my small amount of aviation experience I would guess that it is probably similar to any business that you try to get a job for. It is going to be different for everyone. If you are an accountant and look through the classifeds most of them say they require a Bachelors degree in accounting or 5-6 six years experience in a related field. To me that seems similar to having a degree or having more hours than the guy with the degree. And I have heard that experience is always going to have more weight than anything you learn in a classroom.But thats why they have interviews, heck you may even get a job because the hiring pilot likes you better, you had a better interview than the other guy with a degree from a Big 4 year university, or it is your dad's best friend (that would be nice). I also know of programs that are offered at CAL State schools where you do all of your course work at home and at your own pace. You just show up to take tests and turn in papers once or twice a semester and you get the same degree as the guy who sat in class everyday. You just email the professor to set up a time to take your tests. So yeah you would have to live in the vicinity of the college and have a couple free days but I think its a very happy median between full online schools and 4 year universitys. In fact you even get to walk in graduation with all of the other full time students (not that it matters). So your degree wouldnt be from Phoenix Online College but it would be from San Diego State or whatever "real" university it may be. Just my two cents 
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February 21st, 2006, 22:25
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