Dont suppose anyone is on a Challanger 300?

Casper · January 24th, 2006, 22:09

Seems like the owner is quickly outgrowing the Citation and has spoken of a falcon 50 (like 20 times already) and now it seems hes taken a liking to the Challanger 300. Anyone on one....?

JDE · January 25th, 2006, 20:45

I've seen a couple and they look pretty sweet. Not a bad price either it seems...around $15 million. Not sure about it's hot and high performance, but the 50 is good in that respect and the 50 is pretty fast airplane too, of course the cabin is smaller.

We need more corporate guys/gals on here...

n57flyguy · January 26th, 2006, 06:41

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Originally Posted by JDE

We need more corporate guys/gals on here...

Exactally!!!

C650CPT · January 26th, 2006, 11:05

While the 300 is an impressive performing airplane, do yourself the favor of looking at the new Hawker Horizon ( Hawker 4000 ). I was very impressed with it at NBAA, it is not like any other Hawker product. The 4000 is Raytheon's highest end airplane and therfore gets all the attention it deserves. There are standard things on the 4000 that are only options on the 300, ie: auto throttles. Ask yourselves if you really want the expense of three engines on the 50 if you don't need the take off performance. Another viable option, sans speed, is the new Citation Soverign, excellent take off and climb performance. JDE knows an operator down in TN and can confirm that they have nothing bad to say about it, and the one pilot came out of Gulfstreams.

Jim

Casper · January 27th, 2006, 18:08

thanks guys..im more interested in the 50 as dassault was my first bird...so im a sucker for it.

I dont know what is going on with it but the 50 and the 300 have both been mentioned.

JDE · January 27th, 2006, 23:46

I've quickly become a sucker for anything Dassault too...they make great airplanes. Of course if its anything there like it is around here, they'll change their minds by next week.

mtsu_av8er · January 28th, 2006, 07:50

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Originally Posted by JDE

We need more corporate guys/gals on here...

. . . 'cause we're all just turning our noses up at corporate jobs . . .

KLB · January 28th, 2006, 18:31

Shoot...Why would I fly corporate when I can fly an RJ for $18,000 or less a year! Thats good living there man........Seeing the world and having relations with flight attendants.

Casper · January 29th, 2006, 02:04

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Originally Posted by JDE

I've quickly become a sucker for anything Dassault too...they make great airplanes. Of course if its anything there like it is around here, they'll change their minds by next week.

Do we work for the same company then, cause i swear thats how it is with mine. Although thats just how it goes in aviation anywho

Casper · January 29th, 2006, 02:05

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Originally Posted by KLB

Shoot...Why would I fly corporate when I can fly an RJ for $18,000 or less a year! Thats good living there man........Seeing the world and having relations with flight attendants.

That whole flight attendant thing is the only thing that they have going for them, and with the current status of good looking FA's that might not even be a benefit anymore.

Doug Taylor · January 29th, 2006, 11:47

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Originally Posted by KLB

Shoot...Why would I fly corporate when I can fly an RJ for $18,000 or less a year! Thats good living there man........Seeing the world and having relations with flight attendants.

You're going to be surprised how many men and older women are flight attendants at the regionals!

<off topic>

Now if you're after a job with potential 'action', become a firefighter. My neighborhod grocery store is next to our fire station and when those guys come walking in to the produce aisle, they have that slow motion walk, the music starts and all of the soccer moms glare hungrily at them.

If you walk in with a pilot uniform, they simply want to bark at you about not getting two bags of pretzels on their last flight to LA and why their frequent flier ticket to HNL costed 250,000 FF miles...

Or a UPS driver. Chicks dig the brown polyesther shorts.

</off topic>

Casper · January 29th, 2006, 12:31

hmm, is that why i was thinking about becomming a volunteer fire fighter? the benefits...

KLB · January 29th, 2006, 13:34

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Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

You're going to be surprised how many men and older women are flight attendants at the regionals!

Oh I know! Hence to

tag.

Jason · January 29th, 2006, 20:05

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Originally Posted by C650CPT

While the 300 is an impressive performing airplane, do yourself the favor of looking at the new Hawker Horizon ( Hawker 4000 ). I was very impressed with it at NBAA, it is not like any other Hawker product.

Jim

Did they get that thing flying yet?????? We looked at buying one back in 1998 - or I should say a delivery position. It may be an amazing airplane but getting a program completed, certified, and out the door is not one of Raytheon's strong suits. My company was one of the first 'launch customers' for both the Starship and Premier so I know first hand how many YEARS behind Raytheon runs - it could be a long time before you can even get your hands on a Horizion.

I'm a Challenger guy so I'm going to have to go with the Challenger 300 but it all goes back to what your mission is - it's hard to beat a DA50 if you need the short field performance. If your boss isn't adverse to owning an older airplane - and apparently he isn't if he's looking at straight 50's - you might want to take a look at the Challenger 600. It would be a good domestic airplane and you can find them cheap - add in a kick ass 'makeover' and you'd have a sweet ride for far less than a 300.

Jason

Casper · January 29th, 2006, 23:13

Jason,

Yeah while i think that the 300 is a pipe dream for him, the 50 would be more of a reality. Im not sure if hes looking at a 50 or an EX-variant but he has mentioned them and with their high/short/hot performance, they are exactly what we need going out of Jackson, WY especially in the summer. The 650 is fine right now int he winter but even in november we had to run some serious W&B and performance to get out of there for a mission.

Im always looking at challangers as there seems to be quite a few options to have once you are in the challanger family for other jobs that might be out there and thats what i like.

Thanks for the recommendation though..

DA-2000guy · August 17th, 2006, 10:33

Get the Falcon, having flown both challengers 600-601, do yourself and your owner a big favor. Stay away from challenger products, customer support is horrid, parts no around , they don't seem to want to support their products.

Flown both the 50 and the 2000 in the falcon family, the 50 is a hot rod, while a smaller cabin it gets in and out of high and hot with ease. Aspen, Jackson, Driggs, and even Bogata without any problems and has enough range to get you home. The 2000 not quite the preformer in the summer high and hot but its like sitting in your living room.

Been though two major inspections on falcons with no major problems, challenger was down an extra 2 weeks waiting on parts. :-(.

Only my opnion but the falcons (all except the 10) are real job savers.

n57flyguy · August 17th, 2006, 14:52

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Originally Posted by DA-2000guy

Get the Falcon, having flown both challengers 600-601, do yourself and your owner a big favor. Stay away from challenger products, customer support is horrid, parts no around , they don't seem to want to support their products.

Flown both the 50 and the 2000 in the falcon family, the 50 is a hot rod, while a smaller cabin it gets in and out of high and hot with ease. Aspen, Jackson, Driggs, and even Bogata without any problems and has enough range to get you home. The 2000 not quite the preformer in the summer high and hot but its like sitting in your living room.

Been though two major inspections on falcons with no major problems, challenger was down an extra 2 weeks waiting on parts. :-(.

Only my opnion but the falcons (all except the 10) are real job savers.

You better run from JDE!!!!

I wish I could fly them, I only get to look at pictures now. Have you flown the new EASy Flight deck on the 50/2000?

eglplt · August 18th, 2006, 09:47

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Originally Posted by Jason

Did they get that thing flying yet?????? We looked at buying one back in 1998 - or I should say a delivery position. It may be an amazing airplane but getting a program completed, certified, and out the door is not one of Raytheon's strong suits. My company was one of the first 'launch customers' for both the Starship and Premier so I know first hand how many YEARS behind Raytheon runs - it could be a long time before you can even get your hands on a Horizion.Jason

We just received an email a couple of days ago saying that our (NJA) first one will be deivered on the 15th of November. Now, if it actually happens is another story!

jonnyb · August 18th, 2006, 13:30

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Originally Posted by eglplt

We just received an email a couple of days ago saying that our (NJA) first one will be deivered on the 15th of November. Now, if it actually happens is another story!

That's kinda wierd, it's not even certified yet. B/CA predictions for final certificatation weren't until the end of the year or later. I guess we'll see.

JDE · August 21st, 2006, 10:29

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Originally Posted by jonnyb

That's kinda wierd, it's not even certified yet. B/CA predictions for final certificatation weren't until the end of the year or later. I guess we'll see.

They're already being delivered...I've seen quite a few around.

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Originally Posted by DA-2000guy

Only my opnion but the falcons (all except the 10) are real job savers.

The 10 definately makes you work when it comes to high and hot...what a pain in the @$$!!

jonnyb · August 21st, 2006, 12:02

[quote=JDE;420786]They're already being delivered...I've seen quite a few around.

Nah, not yet. The airplane isn't even certified yet. Raytheon made 1 delivery last year some time when they jumped the gun expecting full certification.

JDE · August 22nd, 2006, 08:50

[quote=jonnyb;420831]

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDE

They're already being delivered...I've seen quite a few around.

Nah, not yet. The airplane isn't even certified yet. Raytheon made 1 delivery last year some time when they jumped the gun expecting full certification.

You must be talking about the Hawker 4000...I thought we were talking Challenger 300...

jonnyb · August 22nd, 2006, 12:03

[quote=JDE;421547]

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Originally Posted by jonnyb

You must be talking about the Hawker 4000...I thought we were talking Challenger 300...

That's funny stuff.

Yeah, I sure was.

January 24th, 2006, 22:09	#1
Casper Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I dont care Posts: 194	Dont suppose anyone is on a Challanger 300? Seems like the owner is quickly outgrowing the Citation and has spoken of a falcon 50 (like 20 times already) and now it seems hes taken a liking to the Challanger 300. Anyone on one....? __________________ At the top of the food chain when you look below you, you see nothing but smiling faces, when you are at the bottom and look up....you see nothing but buttholes. DO328-300 IAI 1124 Westwind

January 25th, 2006, 20:45	#2
JDE Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 1,507	I've seen a couple and they look pretty sweet. Not a bad price either it seems...around $15 million. Not sure about it's hot and high performance, but the 50 is good in that respect and the 50 is pretty fast airplane too, of course the cabin is smaller. We need more corporate guys/gals on here... __________________ Jason

January 26th, 2006, 11:05	#4
C650CPT Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Home Sweet Home! Posts: 957	While the 300 is an impressive performing airplane, do yourself the favor of looking at the new Hawker Horizon ( Hawker 4000 ). I was very impressed with it at NBAA, it is not like any other Hawker product. The 4000 is Raytheon's highest end airplane and therfore gets all the attention it deserves. There are standard things on the 4000 that are only options on the 300, ie: auto throttles. Ask yourselves if you really want the expense of three engines on the 50 if you don't need the take off performance. Another viable option, sans speed, is the new Citation Soverign, excellent take off and climb performance. JDE knows an operator down in TN and can confirm that they have nothing bad to say about it, and the one pilot came out of Gulfstreams. Jim __________________ Fly Safe, But Don't be a Pussy!

January 27th, 2006, 18:08	#5
Casper Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I dont care Posts: 194	thanks guys..im more interested in the 50 as dassault was my first bird...so im a sucker for it. I dont know what is going on with it but the 50 and the 300 have both been mentioned. __________________ At the top of the food chain when you look below you, you see nothing but smiling faces, when you are at the bottom and look up....you see nothing but buttholes. DO328-300 IAI 1124 Westwind

January 27th, 2006, 23:46	#6
JDE Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 1,507	I've quickly become a sucker for anything Dassault too...they make great airplanes. Of course if its anything there like it is around here, they'll change their minds by next week. __________________ Jason

January 28th, 2006, 18:31	#8
KLB Old Skool Join Date: May 2005 Location: DFW Posts: 2,572	Shoot...Why would I fly corporate when I can fly an RJ for $18,000 or less a year! Thats good living there man........Seeing the world and having relations with flight attendants.

January 29th, 2006, 12:31	#12
Casper Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I dont care Posts: 194	hmm, is that why i was thinking about becomming a volunteer fire fighter? the benefits... __________________ At the top of the food chain when you look below you, you see nothing but smiling faces, when you are at the bottom and look up....you see nothing but buttholes. DO328-300 IAI 1124 Westwind

January 29th, 2006, 23:13	#15
Casper Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I dont care Posts: 194	Jason, Yeah while i think that the 300 is a pipe dream for him, the 50 would be more of a reality. Im not sure if hes looking at a 50 or an EX-variant but he has mentioned them and with their high/short/hot performance, they are exactly what we need going out of Jackson, WY especially in the summer. The 650 is fine right now int he winter but even in november we had to run some serious W&B and performance to get out of there for a mission. Im always looking at challangers as there seems to be quite a few options to have once you are in the challanger family for other jobs that might be out there and thats what i like. Thanks for the recommendation though.. __________________ At the top of the food chain when you look below you, you see nothing but smiling faces, when you are at the bottom and look up....you see nothing but buttholes. DO328-300 IAI 1124 Westwind

August 17th, 2006, 10:33	#16
DA-2000guy Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The good Ole South Posts: 16	Re: Dont suppose anyone is on a Challanger 300? Get the Falcon, having flown both challengers 600-601, do yourself and your owner a big favor. Stay away from challenger products, customer support is horrid, parts no around , they don't seem to want to support their products. Flown both the 50 and the 2000 in the falcon family, the 50 is a hot rod, while a smaller cabin it gets in and out of high and hot with ease. Aspen, Jackson, Driggs, and even Bogata without any problems and has enough range to get you home. The 2000 not quite the preformer in the summer high and hot but its like sitting in your living room. Been though two major inspections on falcons with no major problems, challenger was down an extra 2 weeks waiting on parts. :-(. Only my opnion but the falcons (all except the 10) are real job savers.

August 21st, 2006, 12:02	#21
jonnyb Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: So. California Posts: 1,304	Re: Dont suppose anyone is on a Challanger 300? [quote=JDE;420786]They're already being delivered...I've seen quite a few around. Nah, not yet. The airplane isn't even certified yet. Raytheon made 1 delivery last year some time when they jumped the gun expecting full certification. __________________ ___________________________________ Some not so UPDATED pics.... http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b345/saflysgood/

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