New jet possibly on the way!?

RynoB · January 19th, 2006, 22:58

So, I literally just get back from CJ1 recurrent at SAT Flight Safety when I find out the company just made a deal on a brand new CJ3 that came off the line TODAY. The papers still have to be signed but it looks like it's all but a done deal. Guess I'll be going to ICT Flight Safety sometime next month for differences training.

I'm looking forward to the CJ3. Bigger, faster, farther

oh yea!

PS. Guess I'll have to change my avatar too.

cimepilot · January 20th, 2006, 00:08

Are any CJs fast besides the X?! J/K! Lear driver giving you crap.

BZNflyer248 · January 20th, 2006, 00:46

haha, when I was working line at my home airport there was a rich guy that was thinking about buying a Citation X, (He owned a Lear - didn't fly either personally though) and the demo plane had some maintenance issue and couldn't take him back home to california exactly when he wanted so he got pissed and called his own pilots to fly out in his lear to pick him and his family up - by the time his own pilots got there to pick him up the Citation X had arrived but he was through with them - so the X pilots instructed us to leave the engine covers on and chocked leaving things quiet and as soon as we waved out the lear they wanted us to get them started up up and out so they could blow past the lear in the climb. SEEE YA!!

stuckingfk · January 20th, 2006, 01:10

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Originally Posted by RynoB

So, I literally just get back from CJ1 recurrent at SAT Flight Safety when I find out the company just made a deal on a brand new CJ3 that came off the line TODAY. The papers still have to be signed but it looks like it's all but a done deal. Guess I'll be going to ICT Flight Safety sometime next month for differences training.

I'm looking forward to the CJ3. Bigger, faster, farther

oh yea!

PS. Guess I'll have to change my avatar too.

Congrats, I love the CJ3.

You'll definitely love it. I've been flying it since October and I still am in awe of what it can do.

n57flyguy · January 20th, 2006, 10:51

Congrads on your CJ1 recurrent! Someday, I would like to fly for a corporate outfit and maybe for a fractional outfit. I have had the best opertunity to fly a Gulfstream V full motion simulator at Flight Safety and I loved it! and now I know that is what I want to do. Could some of you guys answer some of my Qs about corp flying? Thanks.

RynoB · January 20th, 2006, 14:49

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Originally Posted by n57flyguy

Congrads on your CJ1 recurrent! Someday, I would like to fly for a corporate outfit and maybe for a fractional outfit. I have had the best opertunity to fly a Gulfstream V full motion simulator at Flight Safety and I loved it! and now I know that is what I want to do. Could some of you guys answer some of my Qs about corp flying? Thanks.

www.Avcrew.com has some good information on business aviation. Take a look and then I'd be happy to fill in the blanks for you. It's just that no two corporate jobs are the same, so if you ask 10 corporate pilots about their jobs you'll get 10 different answers. Some companies are wonderful to fly for and some are horrible to fly. Good luck in your search.

n57flyguy · January 21st, 2006, 20:51

Thanks for that website. Ive looked at a few others also. Alright, first question. How many hours (TT, ME) does it take to become a captain on say, a CJ1 or simular aircraft? (conections not really factored in) I know its a broad Question but I'll appreciate any help.

"Some companies are wonderful to fly for and some are horrible to fly for"

What exactly does that mean? Thanks for your time and consideration.

RynoB · January 22nd, 2006, 18:33

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Originally Posted by n57flyguy

Alright, first question. How many hours (TT, ME) does it take to become a captain on say, a CJ1 or simular aircraft? (conections not really factored in) I know its a broad Question but I'll appreciate any help.

I can't really answer that for you since I got my job through connections. It took me two years before they let me fly PIC with passengers on board.

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Originally Posted by n57flyguy

"Some companies are wonderful to fly for and some are horrible to fly for"

What exactly does that mean? Thanks for your time and consideration.

Some companies are great about letting flight crews know in advance what the flight schedule will be like. Their pilots have set days off. On the other hand, some pilots are on call 24/7. That is not too bad if it fits your personality.

But when it can get bad is when the passengers leave the airport and tell you they will be back at 8pm, but don't show up until midnight without calling to let you know they will be late. Or they may tell you that when they get back you will fly to KXXX airport. So, you file the flight plan, and fuel the plane to go to KXXX. After you have departed for KXXX, the boss sticks his head in the cockpit and says he needs to go to the KYYY airport. That has happened to me before more than once. Once, it resulted in us having to make an unnecessary fuel stop because we did not plan on flying to that airport. We could have put on enough fuel had we known that was where we were going. Overall my company is very good to work for, but it does have its moments.

Some bosses might demand that you do dangerous things, like take off into a thunderstorm. Or they may not want to pay to maintain the aircraft properly.

If you ever are offered a job to fly corporate, then research the company and owner/CEO as thoroughly as possible. That maybe as easy as asking around the airport where they are based. That can make the difference between it being a great experience or a horrible one.

Hope this helped.

RynoB · January 22nd, 2006, 18:35

It was confirmed yesterday that the new CJ3 was purchased. We should be getting it within a week or two.

stuckingfk · January 22nd, 2006, 18:56

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Originally Posted by RynoB

It was confirmed yesterday that the new CJ3 was purchased. We should be getting it within a week or two.

I love how MSP center always asks us to state altitude leaving and give altitude reports because they're not picking up our mode C. I can't help that we climb so fast!!

Best I've ever seen was when we were empty in back, 6000 FPM through 15,000 holding 270KIAS. It sure likes to climb, but slow in cruise.

n57flyguy · January 22nd, 2006, 19:11

Thanks for all that information! That really did help me.

It was confirmed yesterday that the new CJ3 was purchased. We should be getting it within a week or two.

SWEET They are beautiful aircraft. Are you going to be flying it?

Thanks again Ryan

RynoB · January 23rd, 2006, 10:41

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Originally Posted by n57flyguy

SWEET They are beautiful aircraft. Are you going to be flying it?

I sure will. Athough, the boss hasn't decided what he wants to do with the CJ1. He may be keeping it. He'll change his mind 100 times before he decides what to do with it.

JDE · January 23rd, 2006, 14:27

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Originally Posted by RynoB

He'll change his mind 100 times before he decides what to do with it.

Gotta love corporate!

I'll still take it anyday!

n57flyguy · January 23rd, 2006, 15:25

Are you rated in the CJ3 or would that mean you have to get your intial or recurrent?

stuckingfk · January 23rd, 2006, 15:35

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Originally Posted by n57flyguy

Are you rated in the CJ3 or would that mean you have to get your intial or recurrent?

All of the CJs are on the same type, which is a 525. If you received your initial 525 in a CJ3, your certificated would still say 525. He'll probably just do differences training, but I'd recommend doing the 13 initial without the checkride.

My chief pilot did just that and he has over 3000 hours in the CJ. He thought it was well worth it. The CJ3 has the new avionics from Collins (as does the CJ1+ and CJ2+) and it out performs the CJ3 with an extreme night and day difference.

RynoB · January 23rd, 2006, 21:52

Flight Safety is booked solid on recurrents. They will send me to recurrent if they can, but I may just have to settle on a day and a half of differences training.

Casper · January 23rd, 2006, 23:31

congrats on the CJ3....its a great light jet.

As for the X...its just over rated. Sure the MMo is high as all hell but thats all its got going for it.

RynoB · January 24th, 2006, 19:36

Just got the word today that I will be doing a 5 day recurrent or transition to the CJ3. The main difference from the CJ1 is in performance and avionics. The reason the recurrent is five days is to get proficient in the Collins FMS. I'm looking forward to it!

n57flyguy · January 24th, 2006, 21:16

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Originally Posted by Casper

congrats on the CJ3....its a great light jet.

As for the X...its just over rated. Sure the MMo is high as all hell but thats all its got going for it.

sounds about right. all I hear is the X is so freakin good, so I looked into it and the MMo is all its got going, still If I had one, well I would sell it save up and buy a G5

just kidding. If I did have one, I wouldn't be complaining, its pretty sweet.

Casper · January 24th, 2006, 22:05

HA HA..finally someone agrees with me! For so long people would just swear that it was the greatest thing since sliced bread but thats all anyone knew about it..the MMo was damn high. Thanks but ill take my C650 and save a shiet ton of money on opperating costs.

Tis nothing but a status symbol...now if i was given one; sell it take the money and run.

Ryno,
I didnt read everysingle line in this post but what FMS's did you have in the CJ1?

RynoB · January 24th, 2006, 23:06

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Originally Posted by Casper

Ryno,
I didnt read everysingle line in this post but what FMS's did you have in the CJ1?

Universal UNS 1K. It's been a great unit, but I hear great things about the Collins 1000, 3000, or whatever it is. I haven't seen it for myself yet. I guess the Collins does much more than the 1K.

I agree that the X is not as great as advertised. I've never flown one, but I hear hot and high performance is a real drag. 2 or 3 years ago they increased the thrust of the engines (I believe 400 lbs) to improve hot and high performance. Still, I'll take most of the other Citations over the X.

Casper · January 25th, 2006, 01:25

wow...congrats brother!

n57flyguy · January 25th, 2006, 14:24

Take the monoey and run, yes sir. And the CJ3 has a collans 3000. I know because i just read the AOPA featuring the CJ3. like your avatar RynoB!
The X is a complex aircraft, more so than the B737, I have heard (wouldnt stake me life on it) Have fun up at FLight Safety, Ive been to one in New castle ILG and flew a G5 sim (a whole nother story!, but it was fun as anything) Keep cool and tell use when the sleek bird taxis on in to the hanger. Actually will you be picking it up?

RynoB · January 25th, 2006, 17:47

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Originally Posted by n57flyguy

Keep cool and tell use when the sleek bird taxis on in to the hanger. Actually will you be picking it up?

The chief pilot is at flight safety in wichita now and will bring the plane back. Meanwhile, I'm holding down the fort with the CJ1.

stuckingfk · January 25th, 2006, 23:27

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Originally Posted by RynoB

The chief pilot is at flight safety in wichita now and will bring the plane back. Meanwhile, I'm holding down the fort with the CJ1.

I'm skiing in Aspen for a few days while waiting for CJ3 to get some paint chips repaired. It's a rough life!

January 19th, 2006, 22:58	#1
RynoB Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bixby, OK Posts: 612	New jet possibly on the way!? So, I literally just get back from CJ1 recurrent at SAT Flight Safety when I find out the company just made a deal on a brand new CJ3 that came off the line TODAY. The papers still have to be signed but it looks like it's all but a done deal. Guess I'll be going to ICT Flight Safety sometime next month for differences training. I'm looking forward to the CJ3. Bigger, faster, farther oh yea! PS. Guess I'll have to change my avatar too. __________________ Ryan ATP (CE525, CE510, BE-300), SIC BE-400, CFI, CFII, MEI, IGI

January 21st, 2006, 20:51	#7
n57flyguy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,744	Thanks for that website. Ive looked at a few others also. Alright, first question. How many hours (TT, ME) does it take to become a captain on say, a CJ1 or simular aircraft? (conections not really factored in) I know its a broad Question but I'll appreciate any help. "Some companies are wonderful to fly for and some are horrible to fly for" What exactly does that mean? Thanks for your time and consideration. __________________ -Paul It ain't always 65 and sunny

January 22nd, 2006, 18:35	#9
RynoB Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bixby, OK Posts: 612	Confirmation on new jet It was confirmed yesterday that the new CJ3 was purchased. We should be getting it within a week or two. __________________ Ryan ATP (CE525, CE510, BE-300), SIC BE-400, CFI, CFII, MEI, IGI

January 22nd, 2006, 19:11	#11
n57flyguy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,744	Thanks for all that information! That really did help me. It was confirmed yesterday that the new CJ3 was purchased. We should be getting it within a week or two. SWEET They are beautiful aircraft. Are you going to be flying it? Thanks again Ryan __________________ -Paul It ain't always 65 and sunny

January 23rd, 2006, 15:25	#14
n57flyguy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,744	Are you rated in the CJ3 or would that mean you have to get your intial or recurrent? __________________ -Paul It ain't always 65 and sunny

January 20th, 2006, 00:08	#2
cimepilot Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 231	Are any CJs fast besides the X?! J/K! Lear driver giving you crap.

January 20th, 2006, 00:46	#3
BZNflyer248 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 71	haha, when I was working line at my home airport there was a rich guy that was thinking about buying a Citation X, (He owned a Lear - didn't fly either personally though) and the demo plane had some maintenance issue and couldn't take him back home to california exactly when he wanted so he got pissed and called his own pilots to fly out in his lear to pick him and his family up - by the time his own pilots got there to pick him up the Citation X had arrived but he was through with them - so the X pilots instructed us to leave the engine covers on and chocked leaving things quiet and as soon as we waved out the lear they wanted us to get them started up up and out so they could blow past the lear in the climb. SEEE YA!!

January 20th, 2006, 10:51	#5
n57flyguy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,744	Congrads on your CJ1 recurrent! Someday, I would like to fly for a corporate outfit and maybe for a fractional outfit. I have had the best opertunity to fly a Gulfstream V full motion simulator at Flight Safety and I loved it! and now I know that is what I want to do. Could some of you guys answer some of my Qs about corp flying? Thanks.

January 23rd, 2006, 21:52	#16
RynoB Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bixby, OK Posts: 612	Flight Safety is booked solid on recurrents. They will send me to recurrent if they can, but I may just have to settle on a day and a half of differences training. __________________ Ryan ATP (CE525, CE510, BE-300), SIC BE-400, CFI, CFII, MEI, IGI

January 23rd, 2006, 23:31	#17
Casper Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I dont care Posts: 194	congrats on the CJ3....its a great light jet. As for the X...its just over rated. Sure the MMo is high as all hell but thats all its got going for it. __________________ At the top of the food chain when you look below you, you see nothing but smiling faces, when you are at the bottom and look up....you see nothing but buttholes. DO328-300 IAI 1124 Westwind

January 24th, 2006, 19:36	#18
RynoB Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bixby, OK Posts: 612	Just got the word today that I will be doing a 5 day recurrent or transition to the CJ3. The main difference from the CJ1 is in performance and avionics. The reason the recurrent is five days is to get proficient in the Collins FMS. I'm looking forward to it! __________________ Ryan ATP (CE525, CE510, BE-300), SIC BE-400, CFI, CFII, MEI, IGI

January 24th, 2006, 22:05	#20
Casper Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I dont care Posts: 194	HA HA..finally someone agrees with me! For so long people would just swear that it was the greatest thing since sliced bread but thats all anyone knew about it..the MMo was damn high. Thanks but ill take my C650 and save a shiet ton of money on opperating costs. Tis nothing but a status symbol...now if i was given one; sell it take the money and run. Ryno, I didnt read everysingle line in this post but what FMS's did you have in the CJ1? __________________ At the top of the food chain when you look below you, you see nothing but smiling faces, when you are at the bottom and look up....you see nothing but buttholes. DO328-300 IAI 1124 Westwind

January 25th, 2006, 01:25	#22
Casper Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I dont care Posts: 194	wow...congrats brother! __________________ At the top of the food chain when you look below you, you see nothing but smiling faces, when you are at the bottom and look up....you see nothing but buttholes. DO328-300 IAI 1124 Westwind

January 25th, 2006, 14:24	#23
n57flyguy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,744	Take the monoey and run, yes sir. And the CJ3 has a collans 3000. I know because i just read the AOPA featuring the CJ3. like your avatar RynoB! The X is a complex aircraft, more so than the B737, I have heard (wouldnt stake me life on it) Have fun up at FLight Safety, Ive been to one in New castle ILG and flew a G5 sim (a whole nother story!, but it was fun as anything) Keep cool and tell use when the sleek bird taxis on in to the hanger. Actually will you be picking it up? __________________ -Paul It ain't always 65 and sunny

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