Flexjet and Netjets

SkyJeff · December 12th, 2005, 21:14

Does anyone know what the average ago of a new hire is with these companies? The ones I see around the airport seem to all be over 30. Also with Netjets I'm sure a new hire would start flying a Citation or something. Once in the company do you get to bid to fly larger aircraft based on seniority? I'm wondering how that works.

JDE · December 12th, 2005, 23:10

My old CFI just got hired at Flexjet awhile back in the LJ-45. He's 24. Also, I was in MKE last week and saw an NJA Citation Excel driver and he looked pretty young too. I think if you meet the mins, you're good to go. NJA_Capt would be able to enlighten us more on the subject too.

NJA_Capt · December 12th, 2005, 23:40

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Originally Posted by SkyJeff

Does anyone know what the average ago of a new hire is with these companies?

We have graphs on our NetJets pilots website for pilot age overall and age of probationary pilots
(ie... 1 year or less = newhires). I can give you a ballpark on some of the figures.
Less than 5 pilots are 20-25.
Approx 200 pilots between 25-40
Approx 40 are over 60
Overall, there are very few pilots here less than 30. Obviously, with the age 60 rule, many of our newhires are retirees.

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Also with NetJets I'm sure a new hire would start flying a Citation or something.

It depends on your background and company needs at the time you are hired. Newhires can go into everything with the exception of the BBJ, Ce650 and BAe1000. The latter two are being phased out.

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Once in the company do you get to bid to fly larger aircraft based on seniority? I'm wondering how that works.

All aircraft positions are bid by seniority, assuming your seat lock is no longer in effect.

Casper · December 13th, 2005, 04:20

Hmm..What airframe would a 650 guy get thrown into as a new hire?

NJA_Capt · December 13th, 2005, 10:49

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Originally Posted by Casper

What airframe would a 650 guy get thrown into as a new hire?

Hard to say. Depends on the HR lady's mood that day. Could be the anything. Logic would seem to aim towards an Excel, CX, or Sovereign. Or....you could get the DA2000

Casper · December 13th, 2005, 12:28

interesting...thanks

C650CPT · December 13th, 2005, 14:37

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Originally Posted by Casper

interesting...thanks

Oh the wheels are turning ...

Casper · December 13th, 2005, 17:38

the gerbil on the wheel in my head has'nt stopped running...he will get tired at some point, till then, the thoughts of things...

JDE · December 13th, 2005, 19:12

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Originally Posted by NJA_Capt

...or Sovereign...

I can't get over that airplane and it's climb capability. The guys who fly the one that lives in our hangar said they took off from PBI and went to FL450 in 16-18 minutes...(not fully loaded, but it's a Cessna!)

SkyJeff · December 14th, 2005, 00:16

Thanks

n57flyguy · January 20th, 2006, 15:17

NJA, If i got a job flying say, an excel. Would it work like an airline to where if I wanted to fly a G5 and had enough senority with NJ they would let me? thanks. and by the way what do you fly for them?

NJA_Capt · January 22nd, 2006, 01:05

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Originally Posted by n57flyguy

NJA, If i got a job flying say, an excel. Would it work like an airline to where if I wanted to fly a G5 and had enough seniority with NJ they would let me? thanks. and by the way what do you fly for them?

Presently the GVs are in a separate division (ie....non-transferable) In three years it might be another story. NetJets does bid aircraft like the airlines, whatever your seniority number will hold you will be awarded. I wouldn't count on getting a GV anytime soon though. Currently guys are waiting 2-4 years just to get an Ultra or Beechjet left seat. Even in the Gulfstream side you have to be a super senior GIV pilot to bid the GV.

n57flyguy · January 22nd, 2006, 10:46

I see, that explained a whole lot about them, thanks.

ricecakecm · January 25th, 2006, 22:58

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Originally Posted by NJA_Capt

It depends on your background and company needs at the time you are hired. Newhires can go into everything with the exception of the BBJ, Ce650 and BAe1000. The latter two are being phased out.

All aircraft positions are bid by seniority, assuming your seat lock is no longer in effect.

So they'd put somebody into a Citation X, but not into a III/VI/VII?

That doesn't make much sense to me.

NJA_Capt · January 25th, 2006, 23:19

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Originally Posted by ricecakecm

So they'd put somebody into a Citation X, but not into a III/VI/VII?
That doesn't make much sense to me.

It's not a qualification issue. We are not buying anymore VIIs or 1000s (only had 14/27 to start with). Those aircraft are being sold and we are only operating a handful of each. Therefore, we don't need pilots in those types.

Just as a clarification: We only operate VIIs, no III/VIs. Guys hired into the CX usually have a lot of previous swept wing time (airline/military).

Casper · January 29th, 2006, 13:33

ha...both NJ and Flight options are getting rid of their VII's now and its scary to think of just how hard they were used.

December 12th, 2005, 21:14	#1
SkyJeff Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Covington, LA Posts: 173	Flexjet and Netjets Does anyone know what the average ago of a new hire is with these companies? The ones I see around the airport seem to all be over 30. Also with Netjets I'm sure a new hire would start flying a Citation or something. Once in the company do you get to bid to fly larger aircraft based on seniority? I'm wondering how that works. __________________ "The deal is not to know everything, but to know the email of the one who does."

December 12th, 2005, 23:10	#2
JDE Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 1,614	My old CFI just got hired at Flexjet awhile back in the LJ-45. He's 24. Also, I was in MKE last week and saw an NJA Citation Excel driver and he looked pretty young too. I think if you meet the mins, you're good to go. NJA_Capt would be able to enlighten us more on the subject too. __________________ Jason Last edited by JDE; December 12th, 2005 at 23:45.

December 13th, 2005, 04:20	#4
Casper Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I dont care Posts: 194	Hmm..What airframe would a 650 guy get thrown into as a new hire? __________________ At the top of the food chain when you look below you, you see nothing but smiling faces, when you are at the bottom and look up....you see nothing but buttholes. DO328-300 IAI 1124 Westwind

December 13th, 2005, 12:28	#6
Casper Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I dont care Posts: 194	interesting...thanks __________________ At the top of the food chain when you look below you, you see nothing but smiling faces, when you are at the bottom and look up....you see nothing but buttholes. DO328-300 IAI 1124 Westwind

December 13th, 2005, 17:38	#8
Casper Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I dont care Posts: 194	the gerbil on the wheel in my head has'nt stopped running...he will get tired at some point, till then, the thoughts of things... __________________ At the top of the food chain when you look below you, you see nothing but smiling faces, when you are at the bottom and look up....you see nothing but buttholes. DO328-300 IAI 1124 Westwind

December 14th, 2005, 00:16	#10
SkyJeff Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Covington, LA Posts: 173	Thanks __________________ "The deal is not to know everything, but to know the email of the one who does."

January 20th, 2006, 15:17	#11
n57flyguy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,813	NJA, If i got a job flying say, an excel. Would it work like an airline to where if I wanted to fly a G5 and had enough senority with NJ they would let me? thanks. and by the way what do you fly for them? __________________ -Paul

January 22nd, 2006, 10:46	#13
n57flyguy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,813	I see, that explained a whole lot about them, thanks. __________________ -Paul

January 29th, 2006, 13:33	#16
Casper Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I dont care Posts: 194	ha...both NJ and Flight options are getting rid of their VII's now and its scary to think of just how hard they were used. __________________ At the top of the food chain when you look below you, you see nothing but smiling faces, when you are at the bottom and look up....you see nothing but buttholes. DO328-300 IAI 1124 Westwind

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