West Coast Charter

scoobs · February 12th, 2005, 13:41

Does anybody have info for WCC?Looking for pay,schedules,upgrades,and benefits.Also what is competive to get on as a KA SIC.

CaliforniaSurfer · February 12th, 2005, 14:43

jonnyb could answer your questions because he used to work there and still has a few friends there.

I heard they want like 1500 or 2000 TT because they need 2500 to upgrade you to captain on the KA and don't want you getting impatient.

Good luck

jonnyb · February 12th, 2005, 23:52

Kevin just said it perfectly. It's a good place to work. They're still great friends of mine.

scoobs · February 13th, 2005, 02:49

How hard is it to get on and how many hours to do you fly a month.And what kind of time do you need to move onto the jet.Also is there any good charter operators in San Diego.

scoobs · February 20th, 2005, 15:35

aloft · February 23rd, 2005, 11:11

Seems most GA corporate/charter ops are out of CRQ. Beyond that, I get the impression that VNY and BUR are Charter Central in SoCal. I don't know about specific companies.

stuckingfk · February 23rd, 2005, 14:11

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Seems most GA corporate/charter ops are out of CRQ. Beyond that, I get the impression that VNY and BUR are Charter Central in SoCal. I don't know about specific companies.

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A fellow CFI that used to work in SoCal told me Clay Lacy out of VNY has hired a couple FO's with 700 hours of total time.

CaliforniaSurfer · February 23rd, 2005, 16:35

Yeah, VNY is definitely a place to be if you want charter work. When I was working on the ramp at SNA, we'd get jets in from VNY all the time. Once I was talking to a new FO with Spirit Aviation out of VNY and he was telling me that this was his first jet job (Westwind) and he was stoked. He said if you want to go charter, go to VNY because there are loads of operators. I think he had just over 1000 TT.

stuckingfk · February 23rd, 2005, 22:23

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Yeah, VNY is definitely a place to be if you want charter work. When I was working on the ramp at SNA, we'd get jets in from VNY all the time. Once I was talking to a new FO with Spirit Aviation out of VNY and he was telling me that this was his first jet job (Westwind) and he was stoked. He said if you want to go charter, go to VNY because there are loads of operators. I think he had just over 1000 TT.

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Do you think he just sent out resumes to every charter operator on the field?

C650CPT · February 24th, 2005, 04:29

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Do you think he just sent out resumes to every charter operator on the field?

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In my opinion, the quickest way to get your resume thrown away is to mail it out to an operator. When we get a resume in the mail it tells us that this person is not really interested in working with us otherwise they would have walked it in. Meeting the decision maker goes along ways in establishing a relationship, and in this business it is all about relationship / networking ( have you heard that before? ) When small operators are looking to fill the other seat they are looking for personality and to a degree image, and they need to meet you face to face and interact with you to establish this. Aviation skills and abilities play into it, based on the operators needs, are they looking for a junior copilot, a senior copilot that they need to be able to upgrade to a junior capt or are they looking to hire a senior capt, this is all considered with insurance requirements in mind.

Jim

CaliforniaSurfer · February 24th, 2005, 14:18

That's pretty much what I PM'd EatSleepFly. Our Chief only hires people who walk it in wearing a suit and can carry a conversation.

EatSleepFly · February 24th, 2005, 14:48

Yup, ESF is going to don his best suit, print out a buttload of resumes and go "on tour" as soon as he gets his tax refund back.

stuckingfk · February 24th, 2005, 15:25

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That's pretty much what I PM'd EatSleepFly. Our Chief only hires people who walk it in wearing a suit and can carry a conversation.

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What kind of flying do they do where you work CA Surfer?

CaliforniaSurfer · February 24th, 2005, 15:43

Lovin' the tax refund, huh? Right on.

To supplement my meager CFI income I worked 1 day a week (10 hour shifts) as a line service guy (ramp monkey) at Newport Jet Center, which is now called Atlantic Aviation. It was a pretty busy ramp at times with limited space. More than 2 G-IV's and your screwed. Basic fueling, marshalling, lav. service, and the like. Pretty fun, saw some neat things.

Kevin

scoobs · April 10th, 2005, 15:19

How long are upgrades.Do you have to have a certain amount of TT?

jonnyb · April 10th, 2005, 17:22

Upgrades are made as needed and they want 2500 hours TT. But they're really good about sending you to school and upgrading as soon as you're ready, but 2500TT is pretty firm.

scoobs · April 10th, 2005, 18:33

Thanks for the response.I know some companies will waive TT in they have enough time in type.How long to upgrade to the jet?Also Jonny how come you haven't got one of those good corporate gigs yet?Are you enjoying flying charter?

jonnyb · April 10th, 2005, 18:51

No, they won't waive the total time. Time to jet is unknown. It all depends on when they have a position available and who wants it. There is no "set" prcedure the company uses for selecting crew on the jets, it just happens. I am very happy working for my present employer and don't plan on leaving anytime soon. I left WCC in October of 2003.

scoobs · April 10th, 2005, 21:27

Is your current company a place you can retire?Also did you do any charter work in San Diego?

jonnyb · April 10th, 2005, 21:50

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Is your current company a place you can retire?

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Definitely a possibility but I doubt it.
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Also did you do any charter work in San Diego?

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Yes, I worked for Schubach Aviation in Carlsbad, Ca (CRQ) for a little over a year.

scoobs · April 10th, 2005, 22:21

I know this is a hard question but to you plan on staying in aviation till you retire?Also how did you like working for Schubach?Considering how big San Diego is there is not a whole lot of Pt. 91 jobs.

stuckingfk · April 10th, 2005, 23:16

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Yes, I worked for Schubach Aviation in Carlsbad, Ca (CRQ) for a little over a year.

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What kind of times does Schubach hire at for the right seat?

I was in the CRQ area last year and loved it. I couldn't believe all the GA in the area.

jonnyb,

I was looking at WCC's site and saw what was their current newsletter. They had you under New Arrivals to WCC. I think they need to update their semi annual newsletter.

jonnyb · April 11th, 2005, 02:32

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I know this is a hard question but to you plan on staying in aviation till you retire?

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As of now, yes.
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Also how did you like working for Schubach?

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It was pretty cool. I was home a lot. I flew 3 types of airplanes, which was nice (kept me on my toes). Then new management came in a screwed everything up. Henry Schubach is great, it's the new management I didn't fare well with. It was great experience though. The chief pilot is a legend in my book and I had a great time overall.
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Considering how big San Diego is there is not a whole lot of Pt. 91 jobs.

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I think you meant 135 jobs. Yeah, not too many options. There are a few though, schubach is not the only game in town. Jetsource has come back and has several airplanes. It seems they're doing some business. There are quite a few 91 operators though, some with great equipment.
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What kind of times does Schubach hire at for the right seat?

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Not really sure what the program is over there now. Much has changed since I left, including the airplanes on the ramp. I did see an advertisment on climbto350 a while back the stated 2500TT and 500 jet, but I'm sure they're hiring with less than that if you have some kind of "in". They have King Air's as well so the mins will be less for that. Sorry, not much help Lucas. Oh, regarding the GA in Carlsbad..........it's insane! I've had to go around in the jet several times for a 172 in the way. It's amazing to see the amount of traffic in the area. The CRQ controllers aren't the best in the business either.

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jonnyb,

I was looking at WCC's site and saw what was their current newsletter. They had you under New Arrivals to WCC. I think they need to update their semi annual newsletter.

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Yeah, if you look at the date on the newsletter, it's like 3 or 4 years old, so that would explain why it says my name under "New Crew". I noticed that a while back and figured they would've changed it by now.

scoobs · April 11th, 2005, 13:58

I knew that there were a few Pt 135 but is there any Pt 91 in San Diego?It seems that the best corporate jobs in Socal are in the OC.

February 12th, 2005, 13:41	#1
scoobs Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 678	West Coast Charter Does anybody have info for WCC?Looking for pay,schedules,upgrades,and benefits.Also what is competive to get on as a KA SIC.

February 12th, 2005, 14:43	#2
CaliforniaSurfer Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: SoCal Posts: 296	Re: West Coast Charter jonnyb could answer your questions because he used to work there and still has a few friends there. I heard they want like 1500 or 2000 TT because they need 2500 to upgrade you to captain on the KA and don't want you getting impatient. Good luck

February 12th, 2005, 23:52	#3
jonnyb Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: So. California Posts: 1,304	Re: West Coast Charter Kevin just said it perfectly. It's a good place to work. They're still great friends of mine.

February 13th, 2005, 02:49	#4
scoobs Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 678	Re: West Coast Charter How hard is it to get on and how many hours to do you fly a month.And what kind of time do you need to move onto the jet.Also is there any good charter operators in San Diego.

February 20th, 2005, 15:35	#5
scoobs Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 678	Re: West Coast Charter bump

February 23rd, 2005, 11:11	#6
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 6,849	Re: West Coast Charter Seems most GA corporate/charter ops are out of CRQ. Beyond that, I get the impression that VNY and BUR are Charter Central in SoCal. I don't know about specific companies.

February 23rd, 2005, 14:11	#7
stuckingfk Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: El Forko Grande Posts: 2,577	Re: West Coast Charter [ QUOTE ] Seems most GA corporate/charter ops are out of CRQ. Beyond that, I get the impression that VNY and BUR are Charter Central in SoCal. I don't know about specific companies. [/ QUOTE ] A fellow CFI that used to work in SoCal told me Clay Lacy out of VNY has hired a couple FO's with 700 hours of total time.

February 23rd, 2005, 16:35	#8
CaliforniaSurfer Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: SoCal Posts: 296	Re: West Coast Charter Yeah, VNY is definitely a place to be if you want charter work. When I was working on the ramp at SNA, we'd get jets in from VNY all the time. Once I was talking to a new FO with Spirit Aviation out of VNY and he was telling me that this was his first jet job (Westwind) and he was stoked. He said if you want to go charter, go to VNY because there are loads of operators. I think he had just over 1000 TT.

February 23rd, 2005, 22:23	#9
stuckingfk Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: El Forko Grande Posts: 2,577	Re: West Coast Charter [ QUOTE ] Yeah, VNY is definitely a place to be if you want charter work. When I was working on the ramp at SNA, we'd get jets in from VNY all the time. Once I was talking to a new FO with Spirit Aviation out of VNY and he was telling me that this was his first jet job (Westwind) and he was stoked. He said if you want to go charter, go to VNY because there are loads of operators. I think he had just over 1000 TT. [/ QUOTE ] Do you think he just sent out resumes to every charter operator on the field?

February 24th, 2005, 04:29	#10
C650CPT Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Home Sweet Home! Posts: 957	Re: West Coast Charter [ QUOTE ] Do you think he just sent out resumes to every charter operator on the field? [/ QUOTE ] In my opinion, the quickest way to get your resume thrown away is to mail it out to an operator. When we get a resume in the mail it tells us that this person is not really interested in working with us otherwise they would have walked it in. Meeting the decision maker goes along ways in establishing a relationship, and in this business it is all about relationship / networking ( have you heard that before? ) When small operators are looking to fill the other seat they are looking for personality and to a degree image, and they need to meet you face to face and interact with you to establish this. Aviation skills and abilities play into it, based on the operators needs, are they looking for a junior copilot, a senior copilot that they need to be able to upgrade to a junior capt or are they looking to hire a senior capt, this is all considered with insurance requirements in mind. Jim

February 24th, 2005, 14:18	#11
CaliforniaSurfer Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: SoCal Posts: 296	Re: West Coast Charter That's pretty much what I PM'd EatSleepFly. Our Chief only hires people who walk it in wearing a suit and can carry a conversation.

February 24th, 2005, 14:48	#12
EatSleepFly Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ?? Posts: 4,600	Re: West Coast Charter Yup, ESF is going to don his best suit, print out a buttload of resumes and go "on tour" as soon as he gets his tax refund back.

February 24th, 2005, 15:25	#13
stuckingfk Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: El Forko Grande Posts: 2,577	Re: West Coast Charter [ QUOTE ] That's pretty much what I PM'd EatSleepFly. Our Chief only hires people who walk it in wearing a suit and can carry a conversation. [/ QUOTE ] What kind of flying do they do where you work CA Surfer?

February 24th, 2005, 15:43	#14
CaliforniaSurfer Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: SoCal Posts: 296	Re: West Coast Charter Lovin' the tax refund, huh? Right on. To supplement my meager CFI income I worked 1 day a week (10 hour shifts) as a line service guy (ramp monkey) at Newport Jet Center, which is now called Atlantic Aviation. It was a pretty busy ramp at times with limited space. More than 2 G-IV's and your screwed. Basic fueling, marshalling, lav. service, and the like. Pretty fun, saw some neat things. Kevin

April 10th, 2005, 15:19	#15
scoobs Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 678	Re: West Coast Charter How long are upgrades.Do you have to have a certain amount of TT?

April 10th, 2005, 17:22	#16
jonnyb Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: So. California Posts: 1,304	Re: West Coast Charter Upgrades are made as needed and they want 2500 hours TT. But they're really good about sending you to school and upgrading as soon as you're ready, but 2500TT is pretty firm.

April 10th, 2005, 18:33	#17
scoobs Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 678	Re: West Coast Charter Thanks for the response.I know some companies will waive TT in they have enough time in type.How long to upgrade to the jet?Also Jonny how come you haven't got one of those good corporate gigs yet?Are you enjoying flying charter?

April 10th, 2005, 18:51	#18
jonnyb Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: So. California Posts: 1,304	Re: West Coast Charter No, they won't waive the total time. Time to jet is unknown. It all depends on when they have a position available and who wants it. There is no "set" prcedure the company uses for selecting crew on the jets, it just happens. I am very happy working for my present employer and don't plan on leaving anytime soon. I left WCC in October of 2003.

April 10th, 2005, 21:27	#19
scoobs Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 678	Re: West Coast Charter Is your current company a place you can retire?Also did you do any charter work in San Diego?

April 10th, 2005, 21:50	#20
jonnyb Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: So. California Posts: 1,304	Re: West Coast Charter [ QUOTE ] Is your current company a place you can retire? [/ QUOTE ] Definitely a possibility but I doubt it. [ QUOTE ] Also did you do any charter work in San Diego? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, I worked for Schubach Aviation in Carlsbad, Ca (CRQ) for a little over a year.

April 10th, 2005, 22:21	#21
scoobs Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 678	Re: West Coast Charter I know this is a hard question but to you plan on staying in aviation till you retire?Also how did you like working for Schubach?Considering how big San Diego is there is not a whole lot of Pt. 91 jobs.

April 10th, 2005, 23:16	#22
stuckingfk Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: El Forko Grande Posts: 2,577	Re: West Coast Charter [ QUOTE ] Yes, I worked for Schubach Aviation in Carlsbad, Ca (CRQ) for a little over a year. [/ QUOTE ] What kind of times does Schubach hire at for the right seat? I was in the CRQ area last year and loved it. I couldn't believe all the GA in the area. jonnyb, I was looking at WCC's site and saw what was their current newsletter. They had you under New Arrivals to WCC. I think they need to update their semi annual newsletter.

April 11th, 2005, 02:32	#23
jonnyb Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: So. California Posts: 1,304	Re: West Coast Charter [ QUOTE ] I know this is a hard question but to you plan on staying in aviation till you retire? [/ QUOTE ] As of now, yes. [ QUOTE ] Also how did you like working for Schubach? [/ QUOTE ] It was pretty cool. I was home a lot. I flew 3 types of airplanes, which was nice (kept me on my toes). Then new management came in a screwed everything up. Henry Schubach is great, it's the new management I didn't fare well with. It was great experience though. The chief pilot is a legend in my book and I had a great time overall. [ QUOTE ] Considering how big San Diego is there is not a whole lot of Pt. 91 jobs. [/ QUOTE ] I think you meant 135 jobs. Yeah, not too many options. There are a few though, schubach is not the only game in town. Jetsource has come back and has several airplanes. It seems they're doing some business. There are quite a few 91 operators though, some with great equipment. [ QUOTE ] What kind of times does Schubach hire at for the right seat? [/ QUOTE ] Not really sure what the program is over there now. Much has changed since I left, including the airplanes on the ramp. I did see an advertisment on climbto350 a while back the stated 2500TT and 500 jet, but I'm sure they're hiring with less than that if you have some kind of "in". They have King Air's as well so the mins will be less for that. Sorry, not much help Lucas. Oh, regarding the GA in Carlsbad..........it's insane! I've had to go around in the jet several times for a 172 in the way. It's amazing to see the amount of traffic in the area. The CRQ controllers aren't the best in the business either. [ QUOTE ] jonnyb, I was looking at WCC's site and saw what was their current newsletter. They had you under New Arrivals to WCC. I think they need to update their semi annual newsletter. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, if you look at the date on the newsletter, it's like 3 or 4 years old, so that would explain why it says my name under "New Crew". I noticed that a while back and figured they would've changed it by now.

April 11th, 2005, 13:58	#24
scoobs Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 678	Re: West Coast Charter I knew that there were a few Pt 135 but is there any Pt 91 in San Diego?It seems that the best corporate jobs in Socal are in the OC.

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