6 days and 7 nights

July 24th, 2004, 17:26

Sorry if this has been asked or mentioned before. In the movie 6 days 7 nights, Harrison Ford flies from his home island to Tahiti. He charters passengers and takes freight along to nearby islands. So what he does is considered what? Freight, passenger, bush flying, charter...? It also appears that he works alone as he owns his own plane. What part is he working under and how would a person go about working like he does? It is like a dream to be able to live on an island and fly your own airplane for hire like that. I would appreciate any help with this.

I_Money · July 24th, 2004, 20:10

I have meet him before - he has crashed a couple of planes a JetRanger, and a Seneca or Seminole. He is also quite short.

mtsu_av8er · July 24th, 2004, 22:15

What he does would be considered Hollywood at it's finest... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Really, I think what he did would be considered charter. He wasn't really in the U.S. so I'm not even sure what agency would govern such a thing (this was a movie, so this is all speculation...). Since it was charter (135), assuming you wanted to duplicate that operation in the U.S., you'd need a Part 135 certificate. The pilot would have to meet 135 requirements. In addition, you'd have to maintain your aircraft to part 135 specifications. Refer to part 135 for specifics.

Don't believe the nay-sayers. You can get a single aircraft/single pilot 135 cert. It's been done more than a few times.

Here's a Tennesseean that's flown single pilot 135 for a long time!!

GregCollins2 · July 25th, 2004, 08:29

Lloyd is correct as usual. It is entirely possible for a single pilot/airplane operation to get a 135 certificate. Sounds like another good research paper doesn't Lloyd?! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Dig into Part 135 Brian, then watch the movie again, you'll find the movie a lot more amusing!

As a 135 operator, you will need to have a qualified Chief Pilot. Company specific, and FAA approved, operations and maintenance procedures manuals. An approved initial and recurrent training program. Hire an outside organization to provide random drug and alcohol screening. Hire an outside organization to provide recurrent training and conduct the require proficiency check flights every 6 months. You will need a contract with an FAA approved mechanic or repair station to provide maintenance and aircraft inspections, and you will have to draft an approved maintenance procedures manual. This part is easier said than done, because the mechanic or repair station must be qualified to do 135 work, and they must be available to you at all times, if the mechanic moves, or opts out of the contract, you must cease operations until a new mechanic is approved. You will need an MEL for your aircraft, which will be bare bones if you are far from parts suppliers, no parts= "no fly". If you plan to carry passengers single pilot in anything but severe clear you will need an approved, certified, and functional three axis autopilot. You will also need insurance which can be very costly if you are carrying passengers or valuable cargo. There's more, but these are the basics.

It's hard to start up a small 135 operation and make enough money in the first few years to keep it going. You will need enough capital to carry you through several years without any profit. If there is a profit to be made, there will most likely be established competition that you will have to take business from and that is not easy. If you can find a poorly managed operation and take over, assuming the FAA approves you, than you might make a go of it. It can be done, just look at many of the operators in Alaska. If you plan to operate in a part of the world under JAA rules you will need to convert your certificates and ratings and meet their standards which are frequently higher than FAA.

GregCollins2 · July 25th, 2004, 08:35

That's a neat link Lloyd! Have you met the man? I've been in and out of Crossville, but I haven't run into him. There's another operation like that in Morristown that is basically a retired airline captain with a C-310. I don't think he gets much work though, just does it to keep busy in retirement. Plus it gives him an excuse to hang out at the airport.

mtsu_av8er · July 25th, 2004, 19:04

No, I've never met him at all, but he seems to be a legend around the Crossville are. He'd probably have a whole lotta stories to tell!! (Seen his Bio?? )

Just as you mentioned about the fellow in Morrisville, I don't think that this little operation is what keeps his lights on....wouldn't it be nice to retire and just do this for the fun of it?

On the other hand, can you imagine taking the whole 135 inspection by yourself?? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

July 25th, 2004, 19:16

Thanks for the wealth of information. It seems like it isn't so fun the way you guys made it look. In the movie he gets to live in a beautiful island and fly between islands in paradise. His girlfriend in the movie is hot too [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/buck.gif[/img]

kellwolf · July 25th, 2004, 20:47

Damn Hollywood. Always making reality look much cooler on film than it is in real life.....

FalconCapt · July 25th, 2004, 20:50

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Thanks for the wealth of information. It seems like it isn't so fun the way you guys made it look. In the movie he gets to live in a beautiful island and fly between islands in paradise. His girlfriend in the movie is hot too [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/buck.gif[/img]

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Do NOT look to Hollywood for any career insight... ever...

kellwolf · July 25th, 2004, 21:07

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Do NOT look to Hollywood for any career insight... ever...

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Yeah, those FedEx planes are death traps. Look what happened to Tom Hanks.

July 26th, 2004, 00:43

I wasn't exactly looking at movies for careers insight. I just tought having a job like that looks cool. Isn't that sort of like Bush flying?

mtsu_av8er · July 26th, 2004, 01:31

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Isn't that sort of like Bush flying?

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Hardly....bush flying is a whole lot tougher (and more rewarding, I'd think) than that.

Freight Guy · July 26th, 2004, 12:54

If I remember correctly, he was doing some bush flying when they crashed on the beach.
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MikeD · July 26th, 2004, 22:52

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Do NOT look to Hollywood for any career insight... ever...

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Yeah, those FedEx planes are death traps. Look what happened to Tom Hanks.

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Yeah. And as a Naval Aviator, all you do is fly, play volleyball, and hit the club with the 26-1 girl/guy ratio. No additional duty crap or any other military BS. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

August 11th, 2004, 23:02

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Do NOT look to Hollywood for any career insight... ever...

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Yeah, those FedEx planes are death traps. Look what happened to Tom Hanks.

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Yeah. And as a Naval Aviator, all you do is fly, play volleyball, and hit the club with the 26-1 girl/guy ratio. No additional duty crap or any other military BS. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Someone has been watching too much Top Gun. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

FalconCapt · August 11th, 2004, 23:17

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Someone has been watching too much

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Check author, post #1, this thread...

mtsu_av8er · August 12th, 2004, 02:04

DOH!!!

USMCmech · August 14th, 2004, 21:32

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Someone has been watching too much

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Check author, post #1, this thread...

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BURN!

Doug Taylor · August 15th, 2004, 14:29

Don't all "Hog" (A-10) pilots all pick their noses and tease the ascot-wearing "Viper" sissies? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

MikeD · August 15th, 2004, 14:37

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Don't all "Hog" (A-10) pilots all pick their noses and tease the ascot-wearing "Viper" sissies? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Many, yes. But the Hog community is rapidly on the way to becoming sissies too.....with the computer upgrades they're getting for the Hog, all to turn it into a 300 knot F-16. New-guy pilots are raving about how advanced the jet will be, and can't wait to be able to whiz-bang dropping bombs from 15,000 AGL; old heads that used to bomb with an iron sight and navigate with a 1:100,000 map through the German Fulda Gap under a 300 foot overcast....are throwing up in disgust. Since there's not many of them left, the SNAPs (Sensitive New Age Pilots) taking over of the helm is coming along......

Glad I got out of that crap.

Now all they need are the ascots.

Doug Taylor · August 15th, 2004, 14:41

Ascots!! HA! Don't worry Mike, if I ever catch you in an ascot, I'll perform a mercy killing for you!

You'd do it for ME, MAN! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

July 24th, 2004, 20:10	#2
I_Money Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal Posts: 5,674	Re: 6 days and 7 nights I have meet him before - he has crashed a couple of planes a JetRanger, and a Seneca or Seminole. He is also quite short.

July 24th, 2004, 22:15	#3
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,567	Re: 6 days and 7 nights What he does would be considered Hollywood at it's finest... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Really, I think what he did would be considered charter. He wasn't really in the U.S. so I'm not even sure what agency would govern such a thing (this was a movie, so this is all speculation...). Since it was charter (135), assuming you wanted to duplicate that operation in the U.S., you'd need a Part 135 certificate. The pilot would have to meet 135 requirements. In addition, you'd have to maintain your aircraft to part 135 specifications. Refer to part 135 for specifics. Don't believe the nay-sayers. You can get a single aircraft/single pilot 135 cert. It's been done more than a few times. Here's a Tennesseean that's flown single pilot 135 for a long time!!

July 25th, 2004, 08:29	#4
GregCollins2 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hendersonville, NC Posts: 284	Re: 6 days and 7 nights Lloyd is correct as usual. It is entirely possible for a single pilot/airplane operation to get a 135 certificate. Sounds like another good research paper doesn't Lloyd?! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Dig into Part 135 Brian, then watch the movie again, you'll find the movie a lot more amusing! As a 135 operator, you will need to have a qualified Chief Pilot. Company specific, and FAA approved, operations and maintenance procedures manuals. An approved initial and recurrent training program. Hire an outside organization to provide random drug and alcohol screening. Hire an outside organization to provide recurrent training and conduct the require proficiency check flights every 6 months. You will need a contract with an FAA approved mechanic or repair station to provide maintenance and aircraft inspections, and you will have to draft an approved maintenance procedures manual. This part is easier said than done, because the mechanic or repair station must be qualified to do 135 work, and they must be available to you at all times, if the mechanic moves, or opts out of the contract, you must cease operations until a new mechanic is approved. You will need an MEL for your aircraft, which will be bare bones if you are far from parts suppliers, no parts= "no fly". If you plan to carry passengers single pilot in anything but severe clear you will need an approved, certified, and functional three axis autopilot. You will also need insurance which can be very costly if you are carrying passengers or valuable cargo. There's more, but these are the basics. It's hard to start up a small 135 operation and make enough money in the first few years to keep it going. You will need enough capital to carry you through several years without any profit. If there is a profit to be made, there will most likely be established competition that you will have to take business from and that is not easy. If you can find a poorly managed operation and take over, assuming the FAA approves you, than you might make a go of it. It can be done, just look at many of the operators in Alaska. If you plan to operate in a part of the world under JAA rules you will need to convert your certificates and ratings and meet their standards which are frequently higher than FAA.

July 25th, 2004, 08:35	#5
GregCollins2 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hendersonville, NC Posts: 284	Re: 6 days and 7 nights That's a neat link Lloyd! Have you met the man? I've been in and out of Crossville, but I haven't run into him. There's another operation like that in Morristown that is basically a retired airline captain with a C-310. I don't think he gets much work though, just does it to keep busy in retirement. Plus it gives him an excuse to hang out at the airport.

July 25th, 2004, 19:04	#6
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,567	Re: 6 days and 7 nights No, I've never met him at all, but he seems to be a legend around the Crossville are. He'd probably have a whole lotta stories to tell!! (Seen his Bio?? ) Just as you mentioned about the fellow in Morrisville, I don't think that this little operation is what keeps his lights on....wouldn't it be nice to retire and just do this for the fun of it? On the other hand, can you imagine taking the whole 135 inspection by yourself?? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

July 24th, 2004, 17:26	#1
Lurker Posts: n/a	6 days and 7 nights Sorry if this has been asked or mentioned before. In the movie 6 days 7 nights, Harrison Ford flies from his home island to Tahiti. He charters passengers and takes freight along to nearby islands. So what he does is considered what? Freight, passenger, bush flying, charter...? It also appears that he works alone as he owns his own plane. What part is he working under and how would a person go about working like he does? It is like a dream to be able to live on an island and fly your own airplane for hire like that. I would appreciate any help with this.

July 25th, 2004, 19:16	#7
Lurker Posts: n/a	Re: 6 days and 7 nights Thanks for the wealth of information. It seems like it isn't so fun the way you guys made it look. In the movie he gets to live in a beautiful island and fly between islands in paradise. His girlfriend in the movie is hot too [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/buck.gif[/img]

July 25th, 2004, 20:47	#8
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,860	Re: 6 days and 7 nights Damn Hollywood. Always making reality look much cooler on film than it is in real life.....

July 25th, 2004, 20:50	#9
FalconCapt Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 489	Re: 6 days and 7 nights [ QUOTE ] Thanks for the wealth of information. It seems like it isn't so fun the way you guys made it look. In the movie he gets to live in a beautiful island and fly between islands in paradise. His girlfriend in the movie is hot too [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/buck.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Do NOT look to Hollywood for any career insight... ever...

July 25th, 2004, 21:07	#10
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,860	Re: 6 days and 7 nights [ QUOTE ] Do NOT look to Hollywood for any career insight... ever... [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, those FedEx planes are death traps. Look what happened to Tom Hanks.

July 26th, 2004, 00:43	#11
Lurker Posts: n/a	Re: 6 days and 7 nights I wasn't exactly looking at movies for careers insight. I just tought having a job like that looks cool. Isn't that sort of like Bush flying?

July 26th, 2004, 01:31	#12
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,567	Re: 6 days and 7 nights [ QUOTE ] Isn't that sort of like Bush flying? [/ QUOTE ] Hardly....bush flying is a whole lot tougher (and more rewarding, I'd think) than that.

July 26th, 2004, 12:54	#13
Freight Guy Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 53	Re: 6 days and 7 nights If I remember correctly, he was doing some bush flying when they crashed on the beach. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Smilecrunch.gif[/img]

July 26th, 2004, 22:52	#14
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: 6 days and 7 nights [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Do NOT look to Hollywood for any career insight... ever... [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, those FedEx planes are death traps. Look what happened to Tom Hanks. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah. And as a Naval Aviator, all you do is fly, play volleyball, and hit the club with the 26-1 girl/guy ratio. No additional duty crap or any other military BS. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

August 11th, 2004, 23:02	#15
Lurker Posts: n/a	Re: 6 days and 7 nights [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Do NOT look to Hollywood for any career insight... ever... [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, those FedEx planes are death traps. Look what happened to Tom Hanks. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah. And as a Naval Aviator, all you do is fly, play volleyball, and hit the club with the 26-1 girl/guy ratio. No additional duty crap or any other military BS. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Someone has been watching too much Top Gun. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

August 11th, 2004, 23:17	#16
FalconCapt Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 489	Re: 6 days and 7 nights [ QUOTE ] Someone has been watching too much [/ QUOTE ] Check author, post #1, this thread...

August 12th, 2004, 02:04	#17
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,567	Re: 6 days and 7 nights DOH!!!

August 14th, 2004, 21:32	#18
USMCmech Old Skool Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 1,644	Re: 6 days and 7 nights [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Someone has been watching too much [/ QUOTE ] Check author, post #1, this thread... [/ QUOTE ] BURN!

August 15th, 2004, 14:29	#19
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,186 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 6 days and 7 nights Don't all "Hog" (A-10) pilots all pick their noses and tease the ascot-wearing "Viper" sissies? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

August 15th, 2004, 14:37	#20
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: 6 days and 7 nights [ QUOTE ] Don't all "Hog" (A-10) pilots all pick their noses and tease the ascot-wearing "Viper" sissies? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Many, yes. But the Hog community is rapidly on the way to becoming sissies too.....with the computer upgrades they're getting for the Hog, all to turn it into a 300 knot F-16. New-guy pilots are raving about how advanced the jet will be, and can't wait to be able to whiz-bang dropping bombs from 15,000 AGL; old heads that used to bomb with an iron sight and navigate with a 1:100,000 map through the German Fulda Gap under a 300 foot overcast....are throwing up in disgust. Since there's not many of them left, the SNAPs (Sensitive New Age Pilots) taking over of the helm is coming along...... Glad I got out of that crap. Now all they need are the ascots.

August 15th, 2004, 14:41	#21
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,186 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 6 days and 7 nights Ascots!! HA! Don't worry Mike, if I ever catch you in an ascot, I'll perform a mercy killing for you! You'd do it for ME, MAN! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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