University of Minnesota at Crookston

CoBuilder · December 14th, 2005, 12:11

Hi nice to read you all. I'm sort of new here. Does anyone have any experiences with the University of Minnesota at Crookston's flight programs? They seem to have concentrated efforts in various fields of aviation: Law enforcement, business aviation, natural resources, and agricultural aviation. From the brief way they described it in the brochures and site it looks interesting. Tuition isn't high as well (no out of state difference in tuition)and is quite cheap comparable to the bigger name schools like UND, Riddle, Webster. I did a search and it hasn't been mentioned, anybody with experiences with them? Thanks for the time.

UAL747400 · December 14th, 2005, 20:34

UND is actually very cheap. Especially if you get residency and get in-state tuition.

Actually, that's one of UND's satelite flight training locations isnt it? I know there are UND planes that fly out of there from another school. Heck if I know which one though. I could be way off though.

CoBuilder · December 14th, 2005, 22:38

UM Crookston has it's flight lessons at Crookston Municipal airport which is about 1-2 miles from the campus. I'm not sure if UND's main flying takes place there but in the brochure I have they did mention that Grand Forks UND is 30 miles west of Crookston. They also mentioned the UND fleet of Piper aircrafts. BTW, how is residency established for instate tuition? I would be a transfer student from out of state.

UAL747400 · December 14th, 2005, 22:44

This is what I did. Got a ND drivers license, and then paid rent at a buddies apartment for the summer and therefore "living" there for a year. You just have to show that you had an established place of residence. I also got a fishing license which is nothing more than going online and printing one off and filling it out. Then fill out the UND North Dakota residency form and you're done.

You'll have to pay out of state tuition for one year at least. Unless you start a year before hand setting this up.

If you average out the flight course cost in with your tuition and other expenses, it comes to being around 8-10 grand a semester. Pretty cheap considering the equipment we fly and how badass the school its self is.

I figured it out based on what I paid for my private pilots license that I got a year and a half before coming to UND and it costs significantly more to go to a reg. university and get your training at an FBO. Depending on the school and FBO of course, but in general it really does actually cost more.

UND might be the only exception to the "flight schools are insanely expensive" thing. Havent looked into the costs of many others. All I know is, is embry riddle is rediculous, and a few others I can think of off hand. That and the regular university-FBO route is also more expensive. Especially ones with nice equipment.

CoBuilder · December 15th, 2005, 18:40

I'm thinking that when people advise it's cheaper to go to a school near home and train at the local FBO, they say so because it's expected that you are near a FBO, have a car, and enroll at a low tuition city commuter college.

The problem I see with that is that it is all dependent on location. Some big metropolitan cities I have discovered are not near any cheap FBOs and we all know that car insurance/gas is not cheap either. You would have to drive hours just to go to more rural areas where the FBO's are located. And even with the class B international airports around they are not suitable for the private pilot beginning trainee: some even prohibit private pilot training altogether though my introductory flight was flying over one.

The area I'm living in now , Brooklyn, NY would leave me going north and driving for a total of 4-5 hours(to and back) for a commute to the FBO upstate for training, and then an additional 2hour commute to class and back home total. From work to school I have a commute of one hour as well. heck , if i take the subway(LIRR) the commute would be even longer and I'd have to transfer to buses which costs even more than gas itself. Now this just isn't doable or realistic to pull off given that I don't own a car and at my age 21 insurance for full coverage would be at least 4k annual. There would be no way for me to pay for insurance since I do have to eat and I'm fairly reluctant on asking my parents for money since they have their hands full on mortgage payments and bills. I can kiss the pt job I have right now goodbye with that commute.

So yep, you made a good point that going to university and flying there is rather cheaper in some cases than the university alone and FBO route. I figured having everything done at a university would be more practical then going all the hassle of commuting here and there like I just described. UM crookston is one of the cheapest I can find right now for a transfer. Another is SUNY Farmingdale and Vaughn College of Aeronautics but I've heard terrible stuff about them. I am in quite a dilemma. I've already been accepted to southeastern oklahoma(cheap school for aviation) and university of alaska at anchorage since they're almost like reluctant backups with the application fee being waived.

Isn't ND the coldest state in America?

UAL747400 · December 15th, 2005, 19:02

Its damn cold. Brainfreeze-from-cold-air-just-being-around-your-skull cold.

Oddly enough right now though its warmer than my home town in Davenport Iowa which is located right were that little nub sticks out from Iowa, where the mississippi flows east to west.

category · January 6th, 2008, 12:42

anybody goes to Crookston now, if so how is it?

PGT · January 6th, 2008, 12:53

don't rule out St. Cloud State

that's where I'm going, pretty cheap pace as well.

juxtapilot · January 9th, 2008, 22:10

UMC has a lot more "culture" than UND.

category · January 16th, 2008, 19:29

anybody here goes to Crookston? I know people at UND fly to Crookston but I want an opinion about the school from people who actually go there.

juxtapilot · January 21st, 2008, 04:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoBuilder

Hi nice to read you all. I'm sort of new here. Does anyone have any experiences with the University of Minnesota at Crookston's flight programs? They seem to have concentrated efforts in various fields of aviation: Law enforcement, business aviation, natural resources, and agricultural aviation. From the brief way they described it in the brochures and site it looks interesting. Tuition isn't high as well (no out of state difference in tuition)and is quite cheap comparable to the bigger name schools like UND, Riddle, Webster. I did a search and it hasn't been mentioned, anybody with experiences with them? Thanks for the time.

I love your avatar. A lot.

category · January 21st, 2008, 13:34

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Originally Posted by juxtapilot

I love your avatar. A lot.

eww you like asian men?

juxtapilot · January 21st, 2008, 16:44

Uh...

AngelFuree · January 22nd, 2008, 00:33

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Originally Posted by juxtapilot

I love your avatar. A lot.

I agree. She's extremely cute!

category · January 22nd, 2008, 14:30

you guys are always going off-topic what does that have to do with U OF M Crookston?

AngelFuree · January 22nd, 2008, 17:50

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Originally Posted by category

you guys are always going off-topic what does that have to do with U OF M Crookston?

I'm sorry you don't like girls and don't enjoy the convo.

Should we talk about U of M girls (or guys, one's orientation may be diverse), instead?

Micaoct · January 23rd, 2008, 09:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngelFuree

I'm sorry you don't like girls and don't enjoy the convo.

Should we talk about U of M girls (or guys, one's orientation may be diverse), instead?

LAFF · January 23rd, 2008, 10:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoBuilder

Hi nice to read you all. I'm sort of new here. Does anyone have any experiences with the University of Minnesota at Crookston's flight programs? They seem to have concentrated efforts in various fields of aviation: Law enforcement, business aviation, natural resources, and agricultural aviation. From the brief way they described it in the brochures and site it looks interesting. Tuition isn't high as well (no out of state difference in tuition)and is quite cheap comparable to the bigger name schools like UND, Riddle, Webster. I did a search and it hasn't been mentioned, anybody with experiences with them? Thanks for the time.

I went to school at UMC. Did my ROTC at UND - Det 610.

What do you want to know? I loved the place and would go back in a second. However, you only need one 4 year degree in life so that won't happen again.

-LAFF

category · January 26th, 2008, 23:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngelFuree

I'm sorry you don't like girls and don't enjoy the convo.

Should we talk about U of M girls (or guys, one's orientation may be diverse), instead?

hey... now get your facts straight. Did I ever say I did not like girls? She looks like any other asian girl around the block to me, so I do not understand why she deserves special treatment?

Unless UND does not have any asians

but whatever the case is I will agree that she is hot.

WalterSobchak · January 27th, 2008, 02:00

Given it was a decade ago, but I got recruited to play football there did my visit in the middle of winter(-15 and 25 mph wind) and found out the guy to girl ratio was 7:1. Needless to say I did not go there. Seems like a nice education, but once again that was 10 years ago.

juxtapilot · January 28th, 2008, 00:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by category

hey... now get your facts straight. Did I ever say I did not like girls? She looks like any other asian girl around the block to me, so I do not understand why she deserves special treatment?

Unless UND does not have any asians but whatever the case is I will agree that she is hot.

Correct.

December 14th, 2005, 12:11	#1
CoBuilder Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 160	University of Minnesota at Crookston Hi nice to read you all. I'm sort of new here. Does anyone have any experiences with the University of Minnesota at Crookston's flight programs? They seem to have concentrated efforts in various fields of aviation: Law enforcement, business aviation, natural resources, and agricultural aviation. From the brief way they described it in the brochures and site it looks interesting. Tuition isn't high as well (no out of state difference in tuition)and is quite cheap comparable to the bigger name schools like UND, Riddle, Webster. I did a search and it hasn't been mentioned, anybody with experiences with them? Thanks for the time.

December 14th, 2005, 20:34	#2
UAL747400 Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND (UND)/ Davenport, IA Posts: 2,204	UND is actually very cheap. Especially if you get residency and get in-state tuition. Actually, that's one of UND's satelite flight training locations isnt it? I know there are UND planes that fly out of there from another school. Heck if I know which one though. I could be way off though. __________________

December 14th, 2005, 22:44	#4
UAL747400 Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND (UND)/ Davenport, IA Posts: 2,204	This is what I did. Got a ND drivers license, and then paid rent at a buddies apartment for the summer and therefore "living" there for a year. You just have to show that you had an established place of residence. I also got a fishing license which is nothing more than going online and printing one off and filling it out. Then fill out the UND North Dakota residency form and you're done. You'll have to pay out of state tuition for one year at least. Unless you start a year before hand setting this up. If you average out the flight course cost in with your tuition and other expenses, it comes to being around 8-10 grand a semester. Pretty cheap considering the equipment we fly and how badass the school its self is. I figured it out based on what I paid for my private pilots license that I got a year and a half before coming to UND and it costs significantly more to go to a reg. university and get your training at an FBO. Depending on the school and FBO of course, but in general it really does actually cost more. UND might be the only exception to the "flight schools are insanely expensive" thing. Havent looked into the costs of many others. All I know is, is embry riddle is rediculous, and a few others I can think of off hand. That and the regular university-FBO route is also more expensive. Especially ones with nice equipment. __________________

December 15th, 2005, 19:02	#6
UAL747400 Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND (UND)/ Davenport, IA Posts: 2,204	Its damn cold. Brainfreeze-from-cold-air-just-being-around-your-skull cold. Oddly enough right now though its warmer than my home town in Davenport Iowa which is located right were that little nub sticks out from Iowa, where the mississippi flows east to west. __________________

January 6th, 2008, 12:42	#7
category Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 95	Re: University of Minnesota at Crookston anybody goes to Crookston now, if so how is it?

December 14th, 2005, 22:38	#3
CoBuilder Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 160	UM Crookston has it's flight lessons at Crookston Municipal airport which is about 1-2 miles from the campus. I'm not sure if UND's main flying takes place there but in the brochure I have they did mention that Grand Forks UND is 30 miles west of Crookston. They also mentioned the UND fleet of Piper aircrafts. BTW, how is residency established for instate tuition? I would be a transfer student from out of state.

December 15th, 2005, 18:40	#5
CoBuilder Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 160	I'm thinking that when people advise it's cheaper to go to a school near home and train at the local FBO, they say so because it's expected that you are near a FBO, have a car, and enroll at a low tuition city commuter college. The problem I see with that is that it is all dependent on location. Some big metropolitan cities I have discovered are not near any cheap FBOs and we all know that car insurance/gas is not cheap either. You would have to drive hours just to go to more rural areas where the FBO's are located. And even with the class B international airports around they are not suitable for the private pilot beginning trainee: some even prohibit private pilot training altogether though my introductory flight was flying over one. The area I'm living in now , Brooklyn, NY would leave me going north and driving for a total of 4-5 hours(to and back) for a commute to the FBO upstate for training, and then an additional 2hour commute to class and back home total. From work to school I have a commute of one hour as well. heck , if i take the subway(LIRR) the commute would be even longer and I'd have to transfer to buses which costs even more than gas itself. Now this just isn't doable or realistic to pull off given that I don't own a car and at my age 21 insurance for full coverage would be at least 4k annual. There would be no way for me to pay for insurance since I do have to eat and I'm fairly reluctant on asking my parents for money since they have their hands full on mortgage payments and bills. I can kiss the pt job I have right now goodbye with that commute. So yep, you made a good point that going to university and flying there is rather cheaper in some cases than the university alone and FBO route. I figured having everything done at a university would be more practical then going all the hassle of commuting here and there like I just described. UM crookston is one of the cheapest I can find right now for a transfer. Another is SUNY Farmingdale and Vaughn College of Aeronautics but I've heard terrible stuff about them. I am in quite a dilemma. I've already been accepted to southeastern oklahoma(cheap school for aviation) and university of alaska at anchorage since they're almost like reluctant backups with the application fee being waived. Isn't ND the coldest state in America?

January 6th, 2008, 12:53	#8
PGT Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: IA & MN Posts: 3,112	Re: University of Minnesota at Crookston don't rule out St. Cloud State that's where I'm going, pretty cheap pace as well. __________________ College student.PPL.Working on IR

January 9th, 2008, 22:10	#9
juxtapilot Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Portland Posts: 861	Re: University of Minnesota at Crookston UMC has a lot more "culture" than UND.

January 16th, 2008, 19:29	#10
category Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 95	Re: University of Minnesota at Crookston anybody here goes to Crookston? I know people at UND fly to Crookston but I want an opinion about the school from people who actually go there.

January 21st, 2008, 16:44	#13
juxtapilot Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Portland Posts: 861	Re: University of Minnesota at Crookston Uh...

January 22nd, 2008, 14:30	#15
category Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 95	Re: University of Minnesota at Crookston you guys are always going off-topic what does that have to do with U OF M Crookston?

January 27th, 2008, 02:00	#20
WalterSobchak Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 559	Re: University of Minnesota at Crookston Given it was a decade ago, but I got recruited to play football there did my visit in the middle of winter(-15 and 25 mph wind) and found out the guy to girl ratio was 7:1. Needless to say I did not go there. Seems like a nice education, but once again that was 10 years ago. __________________ 4 forces of flight: Stall, Spin, Crash, & Burn

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