Mesa Air Group

Bog · August 11th, 2005, 16:37

Not sure if this has been covered, but let me tell you what's up with Mesa right now.

The ERJs in CLT are being moved to MCO to do the Delta Connection flying. We have 36, with an agreement for 30, and no-one will tell us what will happen with the extra 6 aircraft. We'll probably dump them.

The PHL-based CRJs (-100s and -200s) will be phased out of the US Airways system soon. Those 23 aircraft will go to the United system. Most likely, the "extra" 6 ERJs will be traded for 6 more CRJs to cover the additional 30 jets that United is allowing us.

All CRJ-900s have been delivered. No more are coming. So, the only additional aircraft we'll be acquiring totals 1. Yes, 1, one, uno.

Right now, we're properly staffed on the ERJ. These aircraft are going to the Freedom Airlines certificate, and because of that many eligible pilots will bail from the E to the C. If any of you happen to get offered a newhire spot at Freedom, it's now a perfectly acceptable place to work. It's common seniority list, covered under our SCOPE, and no longer a bad thing.

The Dash 8 is staffed. The Beech ... who knows. We're losing more 1900 flying, so that's a daily guessing game. The CRJ is understaffed by about 100 crews right now, so a newhire will probably get that. Plan on being based in ORD. PHX is the most senior base, DEN is closed, BNA will most likely close in the next few months, and PHL will be closing soon too. IAD seniority covers the entire spectrum. If you come out of MAPD and get hired here, plan on a 4-year upgrade.

As for the America West / US Airways merger, Mesa will likely not gain any flying. Most of the U 737s will get shuffled to PHX to cover routes currently done with CR9s. The CR9s will start flying to the East, hubbing out of CLT and covering U 737 flying. CLT might become a CRJ base, but don't hold your breath waiting for that.

That's about where things are. I would not recommend that anyone work here right now. I won't go into details, but suffice to say there are plenty of other places offering better employment. PM me with any questions, or just post them here. Also keep in mind that if you attend MAPD, only Mesa will hire you. That's a lot of money to spend for one interview slot.

-B

project7 · August 11th, 2005, 22:27

Thanks for the real deal bog

Mr_Creepy · August 12th, 2005, 22:55

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The ERJs in CLT are being moved to MCO to do the Delta Connection flying.

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Oh Bog you are cruel!

Almost makes me want to re-apply (not!)

It will be great to have Mesa back at MCO though, I miss the good old days.

MikeD · August 13th, 2005, 00:34

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Right now, we're properly staffed on the ERJ. These aircraft are going to the Freedom Airlines certificate, and because of that many eligible pilots will bail from the E to the C. If any of you happen to get offered a newhire spot at Freedom, it's now a perfectly acceptable place to work. It's common seniority list, covered under our SCOPE, and no longer a bad thing.

-B

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How will differentiation between Freedom A, B, and I guess now C pilots be known then? With all the previous problems surrounding that name? And will a pilot be expected to explain which of them he/she is?

DE727UPS · August 13th, 2005, 01:22

Mike. I think what he's trying to say is that the assimilation is complete with ALPA's blessing. At that point, not much else can be done. Even CO scabs have been assimilated with ALPA's blessing. That might not meet your standard, or mine, but we don't run things. All we can really do is sit back and shake our heads and not forget the past, as wheelsup would suggest we do.

Personally, I don't forget crap....

wheelsup · August 13th, 2005, 08:37

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All we can really do is sit back and shake our heads and not forget the past, as wheelsup would suggest we do.

[/ QUOTE ]

If I suggested forgetting the original guys who made life so hard on the Mesa pilots, I came across wrong. What I meant was people are making such a big deal about this NEW freedom and its all due to ignorance. You can't hold a guy responsible for a former pilot group's actions. Holding a grudge against the current freedom guys is just wrong...

~wheelsup

P.S. Pilots never forget, that's the point of the "list" right?

Bog · August 13th, 2005, 13:45

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How will differentiation between Freedom A, B, and I guess now C pilots be known then? With all the previous problems surrounding that name? And will a pilot be expected to explain which of them he/she is?

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Yes, The List will be the way. To the best of what I know, none of the F-A pilots are on the ERJ anyway, so none of them will be in MCO. It would be nice if ALPA National put out a nice story about this so that the rest of the industry would not hassle these guys.

raysalmon · August 26th, 2005, 01:03

Small correction to the way things currently are at Mesa....the Dash is not staffed, we are very short at the moment and are currently hiring into the Dash 8. 10 new FOs coming on Sept. 6 and most liekly another class in October.

MikeD · August 26th, 2005, 01:10

[ QUOTE ]
Small correction to the way things currently are at Mesa....the Dash is not staffed, we are very short at the moment and are currently hiring into the Dash 8. 10 new FOs coming on Sept. 6 and most liekly another class in October.

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Are street Capts still being done in the D-8? I'm curious with the short manning. Or was that something that was only done a year or so ago?

woodreau · August 26th, 2005, 20:13

The Beech is also short staffed. The last two newhire classes are lineholders in their domiciles and in one domicile, one newhire FO is the senior FO in the domicile. Eventually, the next few newhire classes will hold reserve lines. Mostly hiring off the street to get upgraded to captain after a few weeks of playing FO.

But if the 1900s go away, the pilots will probably get transitioned into new equipment or the juniors ones will get furloughed...

CFIse · August 26th, 2005, 20:52

[ QUOTE ]
Small correction to the way things currently are at Mesa....the Dash is not staffed, we are very short at the moment and are currently hiring into the Dash 8. 10 new FOs coming on Sept. 6 and most liekly another class in October.

[/ QUOTE ]

Is that the whole class?

Bog · August 27th, 2005, 03:07

We are extremely short-staffed on everything but the ERJ right now. Extremely.

wheelsup · August 27th, 2005, 14:04

A buddy of mine is currently in class right now. He said there are something like 25 people in it, and that they wanted 35 or 40, and that was just to keep up with attrition. They just couldn't fill it (go figure

).

~wheelsup

Edit: With upgrade times dropping left and right (post on flightinfo states 1.5 years for ERJ capt) I bet more and more people will apply though. I had dinner with a former Mesa f/o who had been on property 4 years and was just about to upgrade but was hired at America West. This was around april-ish. So in about 5 months upgrade has dropped by 50%. Not bad...

Also, bog, any news on mesa getting EMB-170's/190's? It would seem to me they would be jumping on those left and right.

raysalmon · August 27th, 2005, 17:30

No, DH8 Captain is going a lot more senior again. We've had several displacements from other equipment due to base closures and 1900 fleet reduction. Having said that, we just ran a small upgrade class and will probably be running another soon.

raysalmon · August 27th, 2005, 17:33

No, there will be a significant number of CRJ and ERJ slots as well. Total class size will probably be as big or bigger than August.

Bog · August 31st, 2005, 13:00

EMB 170 / 190 at MAG ... doubtful. Yes, it'd be great because it is a smaller airplane designed to actually carry passengers and their stuff (ala the Fokkers and DC9s), but adding yet another type of aircraft to our certificates doesn't make sense financially. It wouldn't suprise me to see the CRJ-750 (CR9 airframe certified for 70 seats) coming in the near future.

Doug Taylor · September 2nd, 2005, 16:50

So Mesa's running this commercial on cable in PHX:

"I just flew to Alaska for free!"

"I just flew to New York for free!"

"How did you do that?"

"I work for Mesa Airlines"

"I work for Mesa Airlines!"

Someone needs to tell the marketing department that it sounds like they're having their employees work for free!

(I know, I know...)

MikeD · September 2nd, 2005, 18:16

[ QUOTE ]
So Mesa's running this commercial on cable in PHX:

"I just flew to Alaska for free!"

"I just flew to New York for free!"

"How did you do that?"

"I work for Mesa Airlines"

"I work for Mesa Airlines!"

Someone needs to tell the marketing department that it sounds like they're having their employees work for free!

(I know, I know...)

[/ QUOTE ]

Cool! I'm putting my app in now!

Doug Taylor · September 2nd, 2005, 18:49

Maybe the Air Force could use it for recruitment?

"I just flew to Kirkuk Air Base for FREE!"

Voiceover: "how'd you do it?"

"I work for the United States Air Force!"

August 11th, 2005, 16:37	#1
Bog Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,164	Mesa Air Group Not sure if this has been covered, but let me tell you what's up with Mesa right now. The ERJs in CLT are being moved to MCO to do the Delta Connection flying. We have 36, with an agreement for 30, and no-one will tell us what will happen with the extra 6 aircraft. We'll probably dump them. The PHL-based CRJs (-100s and -200s) will be phased out of the US Airways system soon. Those 23 aircraft will go to the United system. Most likely, the "extra" 6 ERJs will be traded for 6 more CRJs to cover the additional 30 jets that United is allowing us. All CRJ-900s have been delivered. No more are coming. So, the only additional aircraft we'll be acquiring totals 1. Yes, 1, one, uno. Right now, we're properly staffed on the ERJ. These aircraft are going to the Freedom Airlines certificate, and because of that many eligible pilots will bail from the E to the C. If any of you happen to get offered a newhire spot at Freedom, it's now a perfectly acceptable place to work. It's common seniority list, covered under our SCOPE, and no longer a bad thing. The Dash 8 is staffed. The Beech ... who knows. We're losing more 1900 flying, so that's a daily guessing game. The CRJ is understaffed by about 100 crews right now, so a newhire will probably get that. Plan on being based in ORD. PHX is the most senior base, DEN is closed, BNA will most likely close in the next few months, and PHL will be closing soon too. IAD seniority covers the entire spectrum. If you come out of MAPD and get hired here, plan on a 4-year upgrade. As for the America West / US Airways merger, Mesa will likely not gain any flying. Most of the U 737s will get shuffled to PHX to cover routes currently done with CR9s. The CR9s will start flying to the East, hubbing out of CLT and covering U 737 flying. CLT might become a CRJ base, but don't hold your breath waiting for that. That's about where things are. I would not recommend that anyone work here right now. I won't go into details, but suffice to say there are plenty of other places offering better employment. PM me with any questions, or just post them here. Also keep in mind that if you attend MAPD, only Mesa will hire you. That's a lot of money to spend for one interview slot. -B

August 11th, 2005, 22:27	#2
project7 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 430	Re: Mesa Air Group Thanks for the real deal bog

August 12th, 2005, 22:55	#3
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: Mesa Air Group [ QUOTE ] The ERJs in CLT are being moved to MCO to do the Delta Connection flying. [/ QUOTE ] Oh Bog you are cruel! Almost makes me want to re-apply (not!) It will be great to have Mesa back at MCO though, I miss the good old days.

August 13th, 2005, 00:34	#4
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Mesa Air Group [ QUOTE ] Right now, we're properly staffed on the ERJ. These aircraft are going to the Freedom Airlines certificate, and because of that many eligible pilots will bail from the E to the C. If any of you happen to get offered a newhire spot at Freedom, it's now a perfectly acceptable place to work. It's common seniority list, covered under our SCOPE, and no longer a bad thing. -B [/ QUOTE ] How will differentiation between Freedom A, B, and I guess now C pilots be known then? With all the previous problems surrounding that name? And will a pilot be expected to explain which of them he/she is?

August 13th, 2005, 01:22	#5
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,517	Re: Mesa Air Group Mike. I think what he's trying to say is that the assimilation is complete with ALPA's blessing. At that point, not much else can be done. Even CO scabs have been assimilated with ALPA's blessing. That might not meet your standard, or mine, but we don't run things. All we can really do is sit back and shake our heads and not forget the past, as wheelsup would suggest we do. Personally, I don't forget crap....

August 13th, 2005, 08:37	#6
wheelsup Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: _ Posts: 5,356	Re: Mesa Air Group [ QUOTE ] All we can really do is sit back and shake our heads and not forget the past, as wheelsup would suggest we do. [/ QUOTE ] If I suggested forgetting the original guys who made life so hard on the Mesa pilots, I came across wrong. What I meant was people are making such a big deal about this NEW freedom and its all due to ignorance. You can't hold a guy responsible for a former pilot group's actions. Holding a grudge against the current freedom guys is just wrong... ~wheelsup P.S. Pilots never forget, that's the point of the "list" right?

August 13th, 2005, 13:45	#7
Bog Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,164	Re: Mesa Air Group [ QUOTE ] How will differentiation between Freedom A, B, and I guess now C pilots be known then? With all the previous problems surrounding that name? And will a pilot be expected to explain which of them he/she is? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, The List will be the way. To the best of what I know, none of the F-A pilots are on the ERJ anyway, so none of them will be in MCO. It would be nice if ALPA National put out a nice story about this so that the rest of the industry would not hassle these guys.

August 26th, 2005, 01:03	#8
raysalmon Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: CO Posts: 260	Re: Mesa Air Group Small correction to the way things currently are at Mesa....the Dash is not staffed, we are very short at the moment and are currently hiring into the Dash 8. 10 new FOs coming on Sept. 6 and most liekly another class in October.

August 26th, 2005, 01:10	#9
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Mesa Air Group [ QUOTE ] Small correction to the way things currently are at Mesa....the Dash is not staffed, we are very short at the moment and are currently hiring into the Dash 8. 10 new FOs coming on Sept. 6 and most liekly another class in October. [/ QUOTE ] Are street Capts still being done in the D-8? I'm curious with the short manning. Or was that something that was only done a year or so ago?

August 26th, 2005, 20:13	#10
woodreau Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 263	Re: Mesa Air Group The Beech is also short staffed. The last two newhire classes are lineholders in their domiciles and in one domicile, one newhire FO is the senior FO in the domicile. Eventually, the next few newhire classes will hold reserve lines. Mostly hiring off the street to get upgraded to captain after a few weeks of playing FO. But if the 1900s go away, the pilots will probably get transitioned into new equipment or the juniors ones will get furloughed...

August 26th, 2005, 20:52	#11
CFIse Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Somewhere Posts: 624	Re: Mesa Air Group [ QUOTE ] Small correction to the way things currently are at Mesa....the Dash is not staffed, we are very short at the moment and are currently hiring into the Dash 8. 10 new FOs coming on Sept. 6 and most liekly another class in October. [/ QUOTE ] Is that the whole class?

August 27th, 2005, 03:07	#12
Bog Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,164	Re: Mesa Air Group We are extremely short-staffed on everything but the ERJ right now. Extremely.

August 27th, 2005, 14:04	#13
wheelsup Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: _ Posts: 5,356	Re: Mesa Air Group A buddy of mine is currently in class right now. He said there are something like 25 people in it, and that they wanted 35 or 40, and that was just to keep up with attrition. They just couldn't fill it (go figure ). ~wheelsup Edit: With upgrade times dropping left and right (post on flightinfo states 1.5 years for ERJ capt) I bet more and more people will apply though. I had dinner with a former Mesa f/o who had been on property 4 years and was just about to upgrade but was hired at America West. This was around april-ish. So in about 5 months upgrade has dropped by 50%. Not bad... Also, bog, any news on mesa getting EMB-170's/190's? It would seem to me they would be jumping on those left and right.

August 27th, 2005, 17:30	#14
raysalmon Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: CO Posts: 260	Re: Mesa Air Group No, DH8 Captain is going a lot more senior again. We've had several displacements from other equipment due to base closures and 1900 fleet reduction. Having said that, we just ran a small upgrade class and will probably be running another soon.

August 27th, 2005, 17:33	#15
raysalmon Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: CO Posts: 260	Re: Mesa Air Group No, there will be a significant number of CRJ and ERJ slots as well. Total class size will probably be as big or bigger than August.

August 31st, 2005, 13:00	#16
Bog Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,164	Re: Mesa Air Group EMB 170 / 190 at MAG ... doubtful. Yes, it'd be great because it is a smaller airplane designed to actually carry passengers and their stuff (ala the Fokkers and DC9s), but adding yet another type of aircraft to our certificates doesn't make sense financially. It wouldn't suprise me to see the CRJ-750 (CR9 airframe certified for 70 seats) coming in the near future.

September 2nd, 2005, 16:50	#17
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,540 Blog Entries: 1	Mesa Commercial in PHX So Mesa's running this commercial on cable in PHX: "I just flew to Alaska for free!" "I just flew to New York for free!" "How did you do that?" "I work for Mesa Airlines" "I work for Mesa Airlines!" Someone needs to tell the marketing department that it sounds like they're having their employees work for free! (I know, I know...)

September 2nd, 2005, 18:16	#18
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Mesa Commercial in PHX [ QUOTE ] So Mesa's running this commercial on cable in PHX: "I just flew to Alaska for free!" "I just flew to New York for free!" "How did you do that?" "I work for Mesa Airlines" "I work for Mesa Airlines!" Someone needs to tell the marketing department that it sounds like they're having their employees work for free! (I know, I know...) [/ QUOTE ] Cool! I'm putting my app in now!

September 2nd, 2005, 18:49	#19
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,540 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Mesa Commercial in PHX Maybe the Air Force could use it for recruitment? "I just flew to Kirkuk Air Base for FREE!" Voiceover: "how'd you do it?" "I work for the United States Air Force!"

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