CFII/MEI Checkride

[coa]

Has anyone ever taken the practical for the CFII and MEI on the same ride?

The reason I ask is because I currently have my CFI (ASEL), and am working on the CFII (ASEL) as well as trying to get my MEI (working on getting the Multi-engine PIC hours at the moment as well).

Would I be able to take one single checkride and, upon successful completion, be endorsed for CFII and MEI certificates? If so, would these be considered as add-ons to my CFI certificate? Also, would I be able to give instrument instrction in an ASEL if I did it this way?

Thanks for any replies.

[tgrayson]

Originally Posted by coa

Has anyone ever taken the practical for the CFII and MEI on the same ride?

It may be one flight, but two separate checkrides. I'm sure examiners differ on how solid a line they draw between the two.

<<endorsed for CFII and MEI certificates?>>

Those aren't certificates, they're ratings. You already have a Flight Instructor certificate.

<<If so, would these be considered as add-ons to my CFI certificate?>>

Yes.

<<Also, would I be able to give instrument instrction in an ASEL if I did it this way?>>

Yes. The -II is not class specific.

[coa]

thanks again tgrayson.

the reason I asked was since I want to get my CFII and then eventually my MEI, why not take the CFII/MEI ride on the same day w/ the same DE? It would end up saving me some money in the end as I need to build the 15 hours PIC for the MEI anyway, why not train for the CFII in the multi while I log the 15 hours PIC, thus killing 2 birds with one stone?

it could end up saving me some money and time if I can find a local DE who has or is willing to both these rides on the same day.

I will have to start calling some local examiners to find out whether or not they do this.

I'm hoping maybe some posters that have gone this route can chime in and give a gouge as to how the ride(s) went and whether or not it was worth it to do it this way.

[tgrayson]

Originally Posted by coa

thus killing 2 birds with one stone?

Sounds like a good idea.

Originally Posted by coa

it could end up saving me some money and time if I can find a local DE who has or is willing to both these rides on the same day.

Oh, I'm sure examiners will have no problem with it. It's done quite often.

Originally Posted by coa

I'm hoping maybe some posters that have gone this route can chime in and give a gouge as to how the ride(s) went and whether or not it was worth it to do it this way.

How it goes will vary a lot among examiners. I had one student recently who did his CSEL and CFI-SEL on the same day. He said the Examiner carefully delineated each ride, so he didn't get a break on skipping maneuvers.

You probably would have received more responses if you had posted in one of the more traveled sections. This one doesn't seem to get much business.

[coa]

tgrayson, just an update and a couple of questions as well.

The school i'm planning on instructing at states that they will pay for my MEI training. Thus, I've decided to continue training in a single for my CFII, and upon employment at this school, receive my MEI with them paying for it.

My questions are in regards to the CFII PTS. On page 17, it states the areas of operation required for the addition of an instrument rating to a flight instructor certificate. This would include my situation.

It states that areas of operation I (FOI) and IV (Preflight lesson on a maneuver to be performed in flight) are NOT REQUIRED. Does this mean that the examiner can STILL choose to test me on these 2 areas or does it mean that the examiner cannot test me on these 2 areas regardless of the situation?

Is 'not required' and 'required' in the PTS considered the equivalent of 'shall' and 'shall not'?

The reason I ask is becuase later on that same page it states the following:
If a task (or tasks) is listed for an area of operation, that task (or tasks) is mandatory.

Can you help clarify this?

Thanks again.

[tgrayson]

Originally Posted by coa

Is 'not required' and 'required' in the PTS considered the equivalent of 'shall' and 'shall not'?

Unfortunately not. The examiner, at his discretion, can test you on the things in the PTS what are not "required", so you need to go prepared for all of them.

I think most examiners, though, will skip most things that aren't required. Particularly FOI. Most examiners do not respect this particular area of knowledge and give it short shrift even on the initial CFI. Most candidates I know don't even review this prior to add-ons. For your own examiner, you might confirm this with previous candidates or even the examiner himself.