What options after failed sim check ride?

Magneto · December 10th, 2004, 11:25

First off, I'm just a PP on the outside, looking in. A close friend of mine is going through the sim portion of his training with a commuter airline. The feedback I'm getting is that the sim training is brutal. I'm getting the impression that if the new-hire-trainee busts the final sim ride, his/her chances of ever landing a spot in the pointy end of a commercial airliner are finished. This astounds me. Is there no recourse?

Magneto

jonnyb · December 10th, 2004, 18:11

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The feedback I'm getting is that the sim training is brutal. I'm getting the impression that if the new-hire-trainee busts the final sim ride, his/her chances of ever landing a spot in the pointy end of a commercial airliner are finished. This astounds me. Is there no recourse?

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It's not impossible to get another job. Much more difficult, especially with an airline? Yes. There are plenty of companies that would give a guy/gal a second chance. But like I said, not something you want on your record.

kellwolf · December 13th, 2004, 03:24

From what I've heard (and this is JUST hearsay since I'm not flying pro yet), it's not impossible. But like johnny said, it's tougher. Best thing to do is prepare yourself and DON'T BUST. Next best thing is if another airline asks about it, be honest. Tell them why you busted and what you learned, just like any questions about a busted checkride.

Magneto · December 14th, 2004, 15:23

Good news:

Inspite of having a rough time during the first 2 days in the sim, my friend passed the sim check ride and LOFT with flying colors.

Thanks for your responses.

Magneto

Icelandair · December 14th, 2004, 23:55

Don't most guys have a "train to proficiency" philosophy? I heard they would at least give some remedial training to you unless you were a complete retart.

Alchemy · December 16th, 2004, 06:57

It's rough, but depending on the circumstances you can probably get a second chance if you bust a PC.

At my airline the check airman was even allowed to re-train up to two unsatisfactory items on the spot after the checkride.

If your friend had already been falling behind his peers during his sim training and had been using extra sessions, then on top of that busted his PC, then he could be released from the airilne.

Washing out isn't the complete end of your career although it is a serious black mark. I have a close friend who washed out of a 121 carrier only to be picked up by another 3 months later, so it's still possible to get a job if you play your cards right. That's not a theory I want to test though.....

pscraig · January 28th, 2005, 20:09

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I'm getting the impression that if the new-hire-trainee busts the final sim ride, his/her chances of ever landing a spot in the pointy end of a commercial airliner are finished.

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Having just passed my PC today....(YEAH!

)

Where I work, if a new hire busts a PC they get two sim periods for retraining, and then a recheck. Then it's up to the director of training. Busting a PC does go on your record, but it's hardly the end of your career.

The sim training is intensive, but I wouldn't call it brutal. I enjoyed it, and it would have been more fun if it didn't take place all night until 0330. (yawn)

Alchemy · February 1st, 2005, 17:34

Congrats PSCraig! It wasn't so bad, was it?

December 10th, 2004, 11:25	#1
Magneto Newbie Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2	What options after failed sim check ride? First off, I'm just a PP on the outside, looking in. A close friend of mine is going through the sim portion of his training with a commuter airline. The feedback I'm getting is that the sim training is brutal. I'm getting the impression that if the new-hire-trainee busts the final sim ride, his/her chances of ever landing a spot in the pointy end of a commercial airliner are finished. This astounds me. Is there no recourse? Magneto

December 10th, 2004, 18:11	#2
jonnyb Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: So. California Posts: 1,304	Re: What options after failed sim check ride? [ QUOTE ] The feedback I'm getting is that the sim training is brutal. I'm getting the impression that if the new-hire-trainee busts the final sim ride, his/her chances of ever landing a spot in the pointy end of a commercial airliner are finished. This astounds me. Is there no recourse? [/ QUOTE ] It's not impossible to get another job. Much more difficult, especially with an airline? Yes. There are plenty of companies that would give a guy/gal a second chance. But like I said, not something you want on your record.

December 13th, 2004, 03:24	#3
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,667	Re: What options after failed sim check ride? From what I've heard (and this is JUST hearsay since I'm not flying pro yet), it's not impossible. But like johnny said, it's tougher. Best thing to do is prepare yourself and DON'T BUST. Next best thing is if another airline asks about it, be honest. Tell them why you busted and what you learned, just like any questions about a busted checkride.

December 14th, 2004, 15:23	#4
Magneto Newbie Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2	Re: What options after failed sim check ride? Good news: Inspite of having a rough time during the first 2 days in the sim, my friend passed the sim check ride and LOFT with flying colors. Thanks for your responses. Magneto

December 14th, 2004, 23:55	#5
Icelandair Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: North Dakota, USA Posts: 247	Re: What options after failed sim check ride? Don't most guys have a "train to proficiency" philosophy? I heard they would at least give some remedial training to you unless you were a complete retart.

December 16th, 2004, 06:57	#6
Alchemy Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Austin, TX, USA Posts: 1,752	Re: What options after failed sim check ride? It's rough, but depending on the circumstances you can probably get a second chance if you bust a PC. At my airline the check airman was even allowed to re-train up to two unsatisfactory items on the spot after the checkride. If your friend had already been falling behind his peers during his sim training and had been using extra sessions, then on top of that busted his PC, then he could be released from the airilne. Washing out isn't the complete end of your career although it is a serious black mark. I have a close friend who washed out of a 121 carrier only to be picked up by another 3 months later, so it's still possible to get a job if you play your cards right. That's not a theory I want to test though.....

January 28th, 2005, 20:09	#7
pscraig Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,021	Re: What options after failed sim check ride? [ QUOTE ] I'm getting the impression that if the new-hire-trainee busts the final sim ride, his/her chances of ever landing a spot in the pointy end of a commercial airliner are finished. [/ QUOTE ] Having just passed my PC today....(YEAH! ) Where I work, if a new hire busts a PC they get two sim periods for retraining, and then a recheck. Then it's up to the director of training. Busting a PC does go on your record, but it's hardly the end of your career. The sim training is intensive, but I wouldn't call it brutal. I enjoyed it, and it would have been more fun if it didn't take place all night until 0330. (yawn)

February 1st, 2005, 17:34	#8
Alchemy Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Austin, TX, USA Posts: 1,752	Re: What options after failed sim check ride? Congrats PSCraig! It wasn't so bad, was it?

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