MEI ride advice?

RiddlePilot · August 12th, 2004, 16:12

I'm going up for my MEI ride on monday probably, and I'm just curious if anyone has any tips/suggestions/advice for this thing. I've been studying the POH and ASA multiengine oral guide, but can anyone think of anything else that I could read in order to prepare? Also, any advice for the flight portion?

Any help would be appreciated.

gomntwins · August 12th, 2004, 18:13

Make sure you can teach the factors that affect Vmc and what makes an engine a critical engine. The ride's pretty easy... just think about things before you do them (think through the drag demo... you're still relatively new to it... so don't rush it). That's about all I have for advice!

BANYO · August 12th, 2004, 19:42

The MEI checkride is usually pretty straightforward. The oral emphasizes aircraft systems, performance and limitations, and multi-engine flight principles...Vmc, critical engine, etc. Expect correlative and "instructional knowledge" questions in each area.
On the flight portion, know the safety limits involved in multi-engine training, things like how to safely simulate a failed engine, safe altitudes for feathering the prop., etc. I might expect some emphasis on stall/spin awareness...this is a hot topic in multi-engine training with Arizona DPEs. Know about safely performing Vmc demos at high density altitude...the only way it's done in PRC!
You've done enough checkrides to know to be relaxed, have fun, and expect to learn something...good luck on the ride!

pilot602 · August 14th, 2004, 11:45

Know single engine aerodynamics ... know single engine aerodynamics ... know single engine aerodynamics ... know single engine aerodynamics ... know single engine aerodynamics ... know single engine aerodynamics ...

Subtle enough? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Seriously though, know the aerodynamics involved with single engine flight, how they affect minimum controlable airspeed (Vmc is just an arbitrary number painted on the ASI, minimum controlable airspeed is what *really* changes and most people refer to as "Vmc") how weight, CG, atmospheric conditions, leverage arms, torque, postion/side of operating engine all contribute to create a critical engine or affect minimum controllabe airspeed.

The only thing that is different between at CFI and an MEI is the knowledge of multiengine operations and aerodynamics. Everything else is the same.

RiddlePilot · August 14th, 2004, 17:50

Hey, thanks for the help guys. Luckily since I have my CFI/CFII already, there's not TOO much to do on this ride...it's still just a bit nerveracking. I'm just afraid of busting the last one. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

CLR4ILS · August 15th, 2004, 16:05

Riddle,
pretty straight forward ride if you had a thorough instructor. In my oral I was hit pretty hard on the following area's:

Flight principles engine inop - have your VMC brief memorized...

Systems on the Seminole - had to explain and diagram the prop system, gear, and fuel system.

Performance - single VS Multi engine, operating at max total weights, stability (CG forward VS Aft), and asked to pull out the POH and explain:

Accelerate/Stop distance
Accelerate/Go
Barrier Speed..........
What does the shaded triangle mean on the TKF distance chart?
Service ceiling (both engines)
Single engine Service Ceiling
Absolute ceiling
Absolute ceiling (single)
Single engine power on stall speed
All of the V-speeds
Single engine speeds
Maneuvering speeds (Min and Max gross wt)

MEL...MEL...MEL...MEL and how to teach it in a simple way so the student will understand it the first time. He knew that I knew how to define it, but wanted to see how I would teach it.

The flight was easy. I think 1.2 on the hobbs. Mostly hit me on the walk around.

If you need anything, PM me and I can email you some of my briefs I made for MEI..

Good Luck...ILS

RiddlePilot · August 15th, 2004, 16:52

[ QUOTE ]
MEL...MEL...MEL...MEL and how to teach it in a simple way so the student will understand it the first time. He knew that I knew how to define it, but wanted to see how I would teach it.

[/ QUOTE ]

All of the planes at my school are MEL'd, so thankfully I've been through the paces before. We covered MELs in-depth on my initial and even CFII (rare), so I'm hoping I can get away from it this time around. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

August 12th, 2004, 16:12	#1
RiddlePilot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Prescott, AZ Posts: 928	MEI ride advice? I'm going up for my MEI ride on monday probably, and I'm just curious if anyone has any tips/suggestions/advice for this thing. I've been studying the POH and ASA multiengine oral guide, but can anyone think of anything else that I could read in order to prepare? Also, any advice for the flight portion? Any help would be appreciated.

August 12th, 2004, 18:13	#2
gomntwins Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: South Dakota Posts: 489	Re: MEI ride advice? Make sure you can teach the factors that affect Vmc and what makes an engine a critical engine. The ride's pretty easy... just think about things before you do them (think through the drag demo... you're still relatively new to it... so don't rush it). That's about all I have for advice!

August 12th, 2004, 19:42	#3
BANYO Newbie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: AZ Posts: 8	Re: MEI ride advice? The MEI checkride is usually pretty straightforward. The oral emphasizes aircraft systems, performance and limitations, and multi-engine flight principles...Vmc, critical engine, etc. Expect correlative and "instructional knowledge" questions in each area. On the flight portion, know the safety limits involved in multi-engine training, things like how to safely simulate a failed engine, safe altitudes for feathering the prop., etc. I might expect some emphasis on stall/spin awareness...this is a hot topic in multi-engine training with Arizona DPEs. Know about safely performing Vmc demos at high density altitude...the only way it's done in PRC! You've done enough checkrides to know to be relaxed, have fun, and expect to learn something...good luck on the ride!

August 14th, 2004, 11:45	#4
pilot602 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: who haa Posts: 3,750	Re: MEI ride advice? Know single engine aerodynamics ... know single engine aerodynamics ... know single engine aerodynamics ... know single engine aerodynamics ... know single engine aerodynamics ... know single engine aerodynamics ... Subtle enough? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] Seriously though, know the aerodynamics involved with single engine flight, how they affect minimum controlable airspeed (Vmc is just an arbitrary number painted on the ASI, minimum controlable airspeed is what really changes and most people refer to as "Vmc") how weight, CG, atmospheric conditions, leverage arms, torque, postion/side of operating engine all contribute to create a critical engine or affect minimum controllabe airspeed. The only thing that is different between at CFI and an MEI is the knowledge of multiengine operations and aerodynamics. Everything else is the same.

August 14th, 2004, 17:50	#5
RiddlePilot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Prescott, AZ Posts: 928	Re: MEI ride advice? Hey, thanks for the help guys. Luckily since I have my CFI/CFII already, there's not TOO much to do on this ride...it's still just a bit nerveracking. I'm just afraid of busting the last one. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

August 15th, 2004, 16:05	#6
CLR4ILS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 580	Re: MEI ride advice? Riddle, pretty straight forward ride if you had a thorough instructor. In my oral I was hit pretty hard on the following area's: Flight principles engine inop - have your VMC brief memorized... Systems on the Seminole - had to explain and diagram the prop system, gear, and fuel system. Performance - single VS Multi engine, operating at max total weights, stability (CG forward VS Aft), and asked to pull out the POH and explain: Accelerate/Stop distance Accelerate/Go Barrier Speed.......... What does the shaded triangle mean on the TKF distance chart? Service ceiling (both engines) Single engine Service Ceiling Absolute ceiling Absolute ceiling (single) Single engine power on stall speed All of the V-speeds Single engine speeds Maneuvering speeds (Min and Max gross wt) MEL...MEL...MEL...MEL and how to teach it in a simple way so the student will understand it the first time. He knew that I knew how to define it, but wanted to see how I would teach it. The flight was easy. I think 1.2 on the hobbs. Mostly hit me on the walk around. If you need anything, PM me and I can email you some of my briefs I made for MEI.. Good Luck...ILS

August 15th, 2004, 16:52	#7
RiddlePilot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Prescott, AZ Posts: 928	Re: MEI ride advice? [ QUOTE ] MEL...MEL...MEL...MEL and how to teach it in a simple way so the student will understand it the first time. He knew that I knew how to define it, but wanted to see how I would teach it. [/ QUOTE ] All of the planes at my school are MEL'd, so thankfully I've been through the paces before. We covered MELs in-depth on my initial and even CFII (rare), so I'm hoping I can get away from it this time around. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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