PC12 purchase...need lots of hours fast - Page 2

Mr.Maximus · July 20th, 2007, 21:14

Read your posts, and quite honestly alot of this seems a bit "out there". Are you willing to bet your future on a group of guys that "party like rockstars and do things they don't want others to know about"? In todays aviation world, I have a hard time believing that someone that is purchasing a 4 million dollar aircraft would want (and nothing personal) a 1,500 hour pilot flying them around in their aircraft. Again, nothing personal - but 1,500 hours is not that much time. Then there's the insurance. While a PC-12 is a fairly simplistic aircraft - it's still a turbine and insurance premiums are going to be through the roof for a 1,500 hour pilot. What's to say if they hire a qualified Captain to mentor you, they're not going to say see ya later to you. Why would someone hire a qualified person to train an unqualified person - then what, fire the original qualified individual? Seems pretty far fetched.

If you decide this is all on the up and up, and are willing to bet the next couple of years of your life on it - then I would do this. Finish your instrument and commercial asap. Get your hours up so you can get on with a regional that flys turboprops - especially something with PT-6's (I think that's what the PC12 has). The Beech 1900 comes to mind. This would accomplish a couple of things. First, you'll build up your hours rapidly. Second, you'll get some real world practical experience in the system. Third, you'll get intimate with the PT-6, which will help you to transition to the PC12 and most likely would be of benefit regarding insurance. Fourth, if things don't work out with flying the PC12 (that's a long time from the now) - you'll have gained the experience to be marketable in the aviation industry - whether it's corporate, airline, freight or whatever.

Good luck, think things through before you stake your future on such a singular game plan.

Max

MFT1Air · July 20th, 2007, 21:46

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Originally Posted by Mr.Maximus

Read your posts, and quite honestly alot of this seems a bit "out there". Are you willing to bet your future on a group of guys that "party like rockstars and do things they don't want others to know about"? In todays aviation world, I have a hard time believing that someone that is purchasing a 4 million dollar aircraft would want (and nothing personal) a 1,500 hour pilot flying them around in their aircraft. Again, nothing personal - but 1,500 hours is not that much time. Then there's the insurance. While a PC-12 is a fairly simplistic aircraft - it's still a turbine and insurance premiums are going to be through the roof for a 1,500 hour pilot. What's to say if they hire a qualified Captain to mentor you, they're not going to say see ya later to you. Why would someone hire a qualified person to train an unqualified person - then what, fire the original qualified individual? Seems pretty far fetched.

If you decide this is all on the up and up, and are willing to bet the next couple of years of your life on it - then I would do this. Finish your instrument and commercial asap. Get your hours up so you can get on with a regional that flys turboprops - especially something with PT-6's (I think that's what the PC12 has). The Beech 1900 comes to mind. This would accomplish a couple of things. First, you'll build up your hours rapidly. Second, you'll get some real world practical experience in the system. Third, you'll get intimate with the PT-6, which will help you to transition to the PC12 and most likely would be of benefit regarding insurance. Fourth, if things don't work out with flying the PC12 (that's a long time from the now) - you'll have gained the experience to be marketable in the aviation industry - whether it's corporate, airline, freight or whatever.

Good luck, think things through before you stake your future on such a singular game plan.

Max

As it is good to remain skeptical of the "too good to be true" edit, believe me when I say there are more than a few individuals out there with as the cliche' goes, "money to burn" that wouldn't mind spottin' him that time simply because it's nothing but a toy to them. Surprisingly enough, I see it frequently around the Houston area with many of those "heavy rollers" who just do it. . .because they can. They own King Air 90/200; they have their glorified "air chauffeurs" that truly take them, on a whim, to various places. . .just because. Oh yes. . .they also "bring in" entertainment as well.

Yep, they are responsible, educated, well-off professionals who work hard and play hard. The pay/benefits are superb simply because you are kinda like their hired help, and they wish to keep you around to ensure that continuity. . .and truly, for them. . .money doesn't matter. They'll write it off somewhere.

I should be so lucky.

Mr.Maximus · July 20th, 2007, 22:23

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Originally Posted by MFT1Air

As it is good to remain skeptical of the "too good to be true" edit, believe me when I say there are more than a few individuals out there with as the cliche' goes, "money to burn" that wouldn't mind spottin' him that time simply because it's nothing but a toy to them. Surprisingly enough, I see it frequently around the Houston area with many of those "heavy rollers" who just do it. . .because they can. They own King Air 90/200; they have their glorified "air chauffeurs" that truly take them, on a whim, to various places. . .just because. Oh yes. . .they also "bring in" entertainment as well.

Yep, they are responsible, educated, well-off professionals who work hard and play hard. The pay/benefits are superb simply because you are kinda like their hired help, and they wish to keep you around to ensure that continuity. . .and truly, for them. . .money doesn't matter. They'll write it off somewhere.

I should be so lucky.

I realize there are many out there with money to burn, in fact alot of the 135 charter industry is based on that. My whole point is to have a Plan B in mind in the above situation - great things that appear out of nowhere disappear very quickly. It would be a shame for that individual to spend the next 19 months prepping for a one option plan without something to fall back on if it falls through.

Max

stuckingfk · July 20th, 2007, 22:32

You have a lot of options, most sound good to me.

First and foremost, is this a career you want to embark on? If so, get your commercial single and multi engine land with instrument land as fast as you can. If you decide to buy a plane, do that, but get the ball rolling. Sounds like you have time on your side.

Maybe you could get your time up and go work for 6 months for Alpah Flying in the NE. I'm sure a few hundred hours of time in the PC12 will help with insurance.

I'd also like to piggy back on what the others said, who says this group won't dip out on you in a year or so? Why do they want you? And you say they're going to help you get going, what does that entail? Where will you be flying for these guys?

Good luck

t-cart · July 21st, 2007, 10:35

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Originally Posted by Mr.Maximus

Read your posts, and quite honestly alot of this seems a bit "out there". Are you willing to bet your future on a group of guys that "party like rockstars and do things they don't want others to know about"? In todays aviation world, I have a hard time believing that someone that is purchasing a 4 million dollar aircraft would want (and nothing personal) a 1,500 hour pilot flying them around in their aircraft. Again, nothing personal - but 1,500 hours is not that much time. Then there's the insurance. While a PC-12 is a fairly simplistic aircraft - it's still a turbine and insurance premiums are going to be through the roof for a 1,500 hour pilot. What's to say if they hire a qualified Captain to mentor you, they're not going to say see ya later to you. Why would someone hire a qualified person to train an unqualified person - then what, fire the original qualified individual? Seems pretty far fetched.

If you decide this is all on the up and up, and are willing to bet the next couple of years of your life on it - then I would do this. Finish your instrument and commercial asap. Get your hours up so you can get on with a regional that flys turboprops - especially something with PT-6's (I think that's what the PC12 has). The Beech 1900 comes to mind. This would accomplish a couple of things. First, you'll build up your hours rapidly. Second, you'll get some real world practical experience in the system. Third, you'll get intimate with the PT-6, which will help you to transition to the PC12 and most likely would be of benefit regarding insurance. Fourth, if things don't work out with flying the PC12 (that's a long time from the now) - you'll have gained the experience to be marketable in the aviation industry - whether it's corporate, airline, freight or whatever.

Good luck, think things through before you stake your future on such a singular game plan.

Max

To the original poster, This is some very good advise and if it were me , i would certainly think about this. Good luck to you.. FLY SAFE T.C.

NW_Pilot · July 21st, 2007, 11:31

Maximus, I kind of agree this is "out there" but whats wrong with training on thier dime? If they're going to pay for my training there's no reason I shouldn't take full advantage of it. I've been a carpenter for 23 years and do have something very solid to fall back on if they bail out. The worst thing that could happen at this point is i'd have to go back to construction with some more time in my logbook. I'll be the first to admit i'm not qualified "yet" to fly this one but if they're paying...i'm flying. If they dump me for someone else, I still had fun and i'm not out anything.

These are a good bunch of guys that need some tax writeoffs I guess. Why they bought this particular plane, I dunno. Why they want me, I dunno. My sister manages thier finances for them and has for a few years now and they're on the level. They recently promoted her to a executive position and pay her almost $100k per year. I might be nothing more than a chauffer to them but on the other hand they have treated my sister very, very well over the last few years and I have benefitted from thier genorosity as well, like $80k they loaned her to get her house gutted and remodeled that I was paid nicely for last year.

Every scenario posted has been right from thier mouths,not mine and i've told them there's more qualified people for the job and what they're asking of me is a BIGTIME commitment. It's like playing highschool football and going straight to the NFL as a starting QB. They're crazy but not stupid.

What if's? What if I continue to post, update my progress from time to time, and wind up 2 or 3 years from now flying this thing? What if they decide to drop me like a hot tater? Either way it's a win win situation for me...i'll either be piloting a sweet plane or pounding nails for the rest of my days. Either way, i'm not selling my tools...i'll always be a carpenter.

"stuckingfk" They pay for my training...thats the only way I can or will do this cuz I can't afford it, period. All they're asking of me is for a time commitment and some loyalty which they should expect given this oppurtunity, especially if they're paying for it. Where would I fly them? Wherever they want to go...i've heard them mention Alaska to Central America and anyplace west of the Mississippi. They're hunters, fisherman, outdoors types and have homes in Montana, Texas, Arizona, Cabo, Costa Rica so I guess that's where i'll be flying them.

MFT1Air · July 21st, 2007, 12:27

I read all the posts, and I see no one disagreeing with you about the wonderful opportunity you have. Like most of us, it's always our role to play that "devil's advocate" realizing many of the significant "cons" can become reality. Wouldn't be right if we didn't address it. By no means am I pessimistic about the opportunity you have, but if it goes to hell in a hand basket, you're prepped for the alternative.

NW_Pilot · July 21st, 2007, 15:21

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Originally Posted by MFT1Air

I read all the posts, and I see no one disagreeing with you about the wonderful opportunity you have. Like most of us, it's always our role to play that "devil's advocate" realizing many of the significant "cons" can become reality. Wouldn't be right if we didn't address it. By no means am I pessimistic about the opportunity you have, but if it goes to hell in a hand basket, you're prepped for the alternative.

It's cool, I asked for some opinions and that's just what I got and I appreciate everyones point of view. This has all happened pretty fast and my head is spinning trying to figure out the best way to go about it. Two weeks ago I was a 200 hr private pilot doing my construction thing and these guys call me up with this "oppurtunity" so i'm just trying to come up with options, present them, and go from there. I certainly don't want to let it pass me by, i'm stoked about the possibility of flying on a regular basis again, but i'm also aware that the bottom could fall out of this and i'll still be pounding nails a year from now.

Again, thanks for EVERYONE'S input. I'm all ears and have considered the major undertaking and potential risk that will go along with this. Like going from a $70k per yr career to a $10-15k per yr job for the next 2 yrs. Selling off the majority of my crap to be able to be transplantable if the need arises.

NW_Pilot · July 21st, 2007, 15:57

You guys are just pissed cuz it didn't happen to you

. J/K, you all seem like a cool bunch and I hope oppurtunities far greater than this come your way

Mr.Maximus · July 21st, 2007, 16:30

NW Pilot,

In no way was I advocating to not go for it - just to do so with eyes wide open and a Plan B. If you have the backup in place as it seems like you do - then definately go for it. It doesn't sound like you have much to lose and everything to gain from it if things go as scripted. I fly around alot of well healed individuals for a living in a Challenger 604 and have found it to be by in large a phenomenal "job". Best of luck to you - keep us posted with how things are going. Take care.

Max

MFT1Air · July 21st, 2007, 17:49

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Originally Posted by NW_Pilot

You guys are just pissed cuz it didn't happen to you

. J/K, you all seem like a cool bunch and I hope oppurtunities far greater than this come your way

Don't even think for a second I'm not envious, for believe me when I say I am. I've been provided plenty of opportunities to train in Meridians, Socatas, and King Airs because of my association with those current CFI's who fly for those cavalier types - who again are alive and well in Houston. I've seen each of them transition up in aircraft from King Airs to Citations with my riding right along with them.

Keep doing what you're doing! I'm hanging around these guys hoping for the same "hookup!"

NW_Pilot · July 21st, 2007, 22:52

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Originally Posted by Mr.Maximus

NW Pilot,

In no way was I advocating to not go for it - just to do so with eyes wide open and a Plan B. If you have the backup in place as it seems like you do - then definately go for it. It doesn't sound like you have much to lose and everything to gain from it if things go as scripted. I fly around alot of well healed individuals for a living in a Challenger 604 and have found it to be by in large a phenomenal "job". Best of luck to you - keep us posted with how things are going. Take care.

Max

I'm not bashing dude...I want the criticism good or bad, it helps me make an informed decision. I'm pickin up what your laying down and I do have serious doubts this will happen but it continues to unfold so i'm just ridin' the wave. Blue skies and tailwinds to everyone...i'll keep you posted.

NW_Pilot...out!

NW_Pilot · July 28th, 2007, 15:56

Well folks, I think (99.9%) it's official! The Pilatus job is coming through and after some serious discussion and the conversation I had this morning with the owners I think the final plan is going to be to buy a used PC12 and put it to work and i'll train in the bird i'll eventually be flying rather than going to an academy.

Now for the next potential problem, where to find a pilatus pilot willing to train me until I have the hours and skills needed to fly this forcken awesome machine??? I think I have someone lined up but he already has a fulltime gig and i'm not so sure he's going to be willing do it, I can't even ask him till he gets back from OSH.

Pépé le Pilot · August 1st, 2007, 12:13

The people you buy the PC12 from should have a list of pilots. I know that's how I got most of my private gigs, through a Beechcraft dealer...

NW_Pilot · August 5th, 2007, 08:36

Looks like my friend @ Horizon is up for the "challenge" of taking me and the PC12 on but can only commit to 3 days a week which is fine with me but will it work with the schedule the owners have in mind, that i'm not sure of. If they do buy a used PC12 and fly it for a year, how would 3 or 400 hours of turbine time look in the eyes of the insurance co? Regardless of how long it takes I think the oppurtunity for both of us is fantastic.

"Horizon guy" just finished a 4yr degree in aviation mgmt.(?) at Embry Riddle and has a ton of good things to bring to the table besides the obvious experience he already has and can only help get this thing up and running and i'm starting to get really excited as this is looking more and more like a done deal. The only problem is keeping a lid on it, can't really tell all the hot chicks about my new job until I have the "keys to the castle".

There is still no plane in the hanger yet but at least they have the hanger. I may have to go buy a little puddle jumper just to have something to put in it until the "Big Bird" arrives. Waiting for something like this really sucks! I WANT TO FLY NOW!!!

NW_Pilot · August 7th, 2007, 23:00

OK, i've got my pilot lined up for my training, a timeline developed, and a rock solid plan of attack. We (my pilot and myself) go in front of the owners hopefully for the last time friday and get them to cut a fat check or give us the keys to the castle or something. If all goes according to the script, I should start my instrument training over again in the next 2-3 weeks and by the time I have the inst. done I should have the hrs needed for my comm. then it's on to the PC12 for the next 400-500 hrs. which will give me around 600-700 TT and a whole bunch of turbine time...that ought to satisfy the damn insurance co.!

NW_Pilot · August 8th, 2007, 17:43

Well, we have our first trip in the PC12 planned for Oct. 26, to South Dakota for a pheasant hunting trip. I've never been hunting before although I have shot skeet before but I don't even know what the hell i'm going to do. I guess i'll have to buy a shotgun and go hunting or carry birds for 10 days...pretty rough business.

The up side is I will start getting some time in the PC12 and begin my path to fame and fortune...OK, well fame anyway. Although I will have to pay for my lodging, everything else will be covered and my time will not cost me anything. This is so awesome, I can't believe this is how I will be spending "the rest of my days" I can't wait to get started!

Mr.Maximus · August 9th, 2007, 23:05

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.............................................. ........................

Max

NW_Pilot · August 10th, 2007, 10:26

Well Max, from what i've seen of those pheasant they aren't the brightest birds so I should at least have a chance. I only want to get one or two, have one stuffed and eat the other maybe. I usually prefer to buy my fowl at the grocers.

NW_Pilot · September 10th, 2007, 09:52

Sum Biatches...This mortgage bank fiasco has my plans to fly full time on hold...possibly permanently. The "Dudes" have started second guessing the Pilatus purchase and are prolly going to back out of the deal.

I on the other hand, have not and will not throw in the towel that easily, i'm selling my truck and a few other things and going for my Inst., Comm. & CFI...I will fly one way or another!

I'll be 38 in a week, I hate my job, recently divorced, kids gone...screw it, i'm out!

DE727UPS · September 10th, 2007, 13:13

Good luck. Hope things work out.

38 isn't too old to still have a good career in aviation. I say "good" as one who didn't need to make over 100K as long as I enjoyed what I was doing. Your single-ness will allow you to have a higher QOL while making less.

Just don't leave your kids out of the picture. They are precious, and they need to know you want to be in their life.

NW_Pilot · September 10th, 2007, 14:25

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Originally Posted by DE727UPS

Good luck. Hope things work out.

38 isn't too old to still have a good career in aviation. I say "good" as one who didn't need to make over 100K as long as I enjoyed what I was doing. Your single-ness will allow you to have a higher QOL while making less.

Just don't leave your kids out of the picture. They are precious, and they need to know you want to be in their life.

Well, I only feel/act 25 so i'm good there. I don't need to make $100k a yr either, as long as i'm flying and making a "livable wage". I don't really have the desire to go to an airline...just doesn't sound all that appealing to me but I could be wrong. As far as kids go they're all grown up, we have a great relationship, their bio mother is totally out of the picture and #2 is flakey and off to the races...so it's kind of been just us 3 for the last 6 or 8 yrs and we like it that way.

My goal with this route is to teach my youngest to fly and get him on a career path he can enjoy for many years to come and still have fun. If it's in the cards we're going to buy an RV4 or Christen Eagle next year and head south chasing the sun for a few months.

Jimmy_Norton · October 26th, 2007, 09:16

I thought all you need was the POH, the keys, and your fee? And why are you being so careful with this, you were ready to take off across the Atlantic in that Lear 25 without any training.

SteveC · October 26th, 2007, 10:01

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Originally Posted by Jimmy_Norton

I thought all you need was the POH, the keys, and your fee? And why are you being so careful with this, you were ready to take off across the Atlantic in that Lear 25 without any training.

You might be confusing him with an NW_Pilot on a different forum...I don't see any posts by NW here where he mentions a Lear, and I'm pretty sure I know who you're talking about. Different cat.

Jimmy_Norton · October 26th, 2007, 10:03

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Originally Posted by SteveC

You might be confusing him with an NW_Pilot on a different forum...I don't see any posts by NW here where he mentions a Lear, and I'm pretty sure I know who you're talking about. Different cat.

Ahhhh.....my bad........sheesh if this nw_pilot knew about the nw_pilot I am thinking of he would have chosen a different screenname......lol

July 20th, 2007, 21:14	#26
Mr.Maximus Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: This One Posts: 289	Re: PC12 purchase...need lots of hours fast Read your posts, and quite honestly alot of this seems a bit "out there". Are you willing to bet your future on a group of guys that "party like rockstars and do things they don't want others to know about"? In todays aviation world, I have a hard time believing that someone that is purchasing a 4 million dollar aircraft would want (and nothing personal) a 1,500 hour pilot flying them around in their aircraft. Again, nothing personal - but 1,500 hours is not that much time. Then there's the insurance. While a PC-12 is a fairly simplistic aircraft - it's still a turbine and insurance premiums are going to be through the roof for a 1,500 hour pilot. What's to say if they hire a qualified Captain to mentor you, they're not going to say see ya later to you. Why would someone hire a qualified person to train an unqualified person - then what, fire the original qualified individual? Seems pretty far fetched. If you decide this is all on the up and up, and are willing to bet the next couple of years of your life on it - then I would do this. Finish your instrument and commercial asap. Get your hours up so you can get on with a regional that flys turboprops - especially something with PT-6's (I think that's what the PC12 has). The Beech 1900 comes to mind. This would accomplish a couple of things. First, you'll build up your hours rapidly. Second, you'll get some real world practical experience in the system. Third, you'll get intimate with the PT-6, which will help you to transition to the PC12 and most likely would be of benefit regarding insurance. Fourth, if things don't work out with flying the PC12 (that's a long time from the now) - you'll have gained the experience to be marketable in the aviation industry - whether it's corporate, airline, freight or whatever. Good luck, think things through before you stake your future on such a singular game plan. Max

July 20th, 2007, 22:32	#29
stuckingfk Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: El Forko Grande Posts: 2,547	Re: PC12 purchase...need lots of hours fast You have a lot of options, most sound good to me. First and foremost, is this a career you want to embark on? If so, get your commercial single and multi engine land with instrument land as fast as you can. If you decide to buy a plane, do that, but get the ball rolling. Sounds like you have time on your side. Maybe you could get your time up and go work for 6 months for Alpah Flying in the NE. I'm sure a few hundred hours of time in the PC12 will help with insurance. I'd also like to piggy back on what the others said, who says this group won't dip out on you in a year or so? Why do they want you? And you say they're going to help you get going, what does that entail? Where will you be flying for these guys? Good luck

July 21st, 2007, 11:31	#31
NW_Pilot Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 59	Re: PC12 purchase...need lots of hours fast Maximus, I kind of agree this is "out there" but whats wrong with training on thier dime? If they're going to pay for my training there's no reason I shouldn't take full advantage of it. I've been a carpenter for 23 years and do have something very solid to fall back on if they bail out. The worst thing that could happen at this point is i'd have to go back to construction with some more time in my logbook. I'll be the first to admit i'm not qualified "yet" to fly this one but if they're paying...i'm flying. If they dump me for someone else, I still had fun and i'm not out anything. These are a good bunch of guys that need some tax writeoffs I guess. Why they bought this particular plane, I dunno. Why they want me, I dunno. My sister manages thier finances for them and has for a few years now and they're on the level. They recently promoted her to a executive position and pay her almost $100k per year. I might be nothing more than a chauffer to them but on the other hand they have treated my sister very, very well over the last few years and I have benefitted from thier genorosity as well, like $80k they loaned her to get her house gutted and remodeled that I was paid nicely for last year. Every scenario posted has been right from thier mouths,not mine and i've told them there's more qualified people for the job and what they're asking of me is a BIGTIME commitment. It's like playing highschool football and going straight to the NFL as a starting QB. They're crazy but not stupid. What if's? What if I continue to post, update my progress from time to time, and wind up 2 or 3 years from now flying this thing? What if they decide to drop me like a hot tater? Either way it's a win win situation for me...i'll either be piloting a sweet plane or pounding nails for the rest of my days. Either way, i'm not selling my tools...i'll always be a carpenter. "stuckingfk" They pay for my training...thats the only way I can or will do this cuz I can't afford it, period. All they're asking of me is for a time commitment and some loyalty which they should expect given this oppurtunity, especially if they're paying for it. Where would I fly them? Wherever they want to go...i've heard them mention Alaska to Central America and anyplace west of the Mississippi. They're hunters, fisherman, outdoors types and have homes in Montana, Texas, Arizona, Cabo, Costa Rica so I guess that's where i'll be flying them. __________________ " There's old pilots, and there's bold pilots, but there aren't many old bold pilots"

July 21st, 2007, 12:27	#32
MFT1Air Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Clear Lake, TX Posts: 1,162	Re: PC12 purchase...need lots of hours fast I read all the posts, and I see no one disagreeing with you about the wonderful opportunity you have. Like most of us, it's always our role to play that "devil's advocate" realizing many of the significant "cons" can become reality. Wouldn't be right if we didn't address it. By no means am I pessimistic about the opportunity you have, but if it goes to hell in a hand basket, you're prepped for the alternative.

July 21st, 2007, 15:57	#34
NW_Pilot Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 59	Re: PC12 purchase...need lots of hours fast You guys are just pissed cuz it didn't happen to you . J/K, you all seem like a cool bunch and I hope oppurtunities far greater than this come your way __________________ " There's old pilots, and there's bold pilots, but there aren't many old bold pilots"

July 21st, 2007, 16:30	#35
Mr.Maximus Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: This One Posts: 289	Re: PC12 purchase...need lots of hours fast NW Pilot, In no way was I advocating to not go for it - just to do so with eyes wide open and a Plan B. If you have the backup in place as it seems like you do - then definately go for it. It doesn't sound like you have much to lose and everything to gain from it if things go as scripted. I fly around alot of well healed individuals for a living in a Challenger 604 and have found it to be by in large a phenomenal "job". Best of luck to you - keep us posted with how things are going. Take care. Max

July 28th, 2007, 15:56	#38
NW_Pilot Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 59	Re: PC12 purchase...need lots of hours fast Well folks, I think (99.9%) it's official! The Pilatus job is coming through and after some serious discussion and the conversation I had this morning with the owners I think the final plan is going to be to buy a used PC12 and put it to work and i'll train in the bird i'll eventually be flying rather than going to an academy. Now for the next potential problem, where to find a pilatus pilot willing to train me until I have the hours and skills needed to fly this forcken awesome machine??? I think I have someone lined up but he already has a fulltime gig and i'm not so sure he's going to be willing do it, I can't even ask him till he gets back from OSH. __________________ " There's old pilots, and there's bold pilots, but there aren't many old bold pilots"

August 1st, 2007, 12:13	#39
Pépé le Pilot Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 40	Re: PC12 purchase...need lots of hours fast The people you buy the PC12 from should have a list of pilots. I know that's how I got most of my private gigs, through a Beechcraft dealer... __________________ Chuck Norris is right behind you !

August 5th, 2007, 08:36	#40
NW_Pilot Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 59	Re: PC12 purchase...need lots of hours fast Looks like my friend @ Horizon is up for the "challenge" of taking me and the PC12 on but can only commit to 3 days a week which is fine with me but will it work with the schedule the owners have in mind, that i'm not sure of. If they do buy a used PC12 and fly it for a year, how would 3 or 400 hours of turbine time look in the eyes of the insurance co? Regardless of how long it takes I think the oppurtunity for both of us is fantastic. "Horizon guy" just finished a 4yr degree in aviation mgmt.(?) at Embry Riddle and has a ton of good things to bring to the table besides the obvious experience he already has and can only help get this thing up and running and i'm starting to get really excited as this is looking more and more like a done deal. The only problem is keeping a lid on it, can't really tell all the hot chicks about my new job until I have the "keys to the castle". There is still no plane in the hanger yet but at least they have the hanger. I may have to go buy a little puddle jumper just to have something to put in it until the "Big Bird" arrives. Waiting for something like this really sucks! I WANT TO FLY NOW!!! __________________ " There's old pilots, and there's bold pilots, but there aren't many old bold pilots"

August 7th, 2007, 23:00	#41
NW_Pilot Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 59	Re: PC12 purchase...need lots of hours fast OK, i've got my pilot lined up for my training, a timeline developed, and a rock solid plan of attack. We (my pilot and myself) go in front of the owners hopefully for the last time friday and get them to cut a fat check or give us the keys to the castle or something. If all goes according to the script, I should start my instrument training over again in the next 2-3 weeks and by the time I have the inst. done I should have the hrs needed for my comm. then it's on to the PC12 for the next 400-500 hrs. which will give me around 600-700 TT and a whole bunch of turbine time...that ought to satisfy the damn insurance co.! __________________ " There's old pilots, and there's bold pilots, but there aren't many old bold pilots"

August 8th, 2007, 17:43	#42
NW_Pilot Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 59	Re: PC12 purchase...need lots of hours fast Well, we have our first trip in the PC12 planned for Oct. 26, to South Dakota for a pheasant hunting trip. I've never been hunting before although I have shot skeet before but I don't even know what the hell i'm going to do. I guess i'll have to buy a shotgun and go hunting or carry birds for 10 days...pretty rough business. The up side is I will start getting some time in the PC12 and begin my path to fame and fortune...OK, well fame anyway. Although I will have to pay for my lodging, everything else will be covered and my time will not cost me anything. This is so awesome, I can't believe this is how I will be spending "the rest of my days" I can't wait to get started! __________________ " There's old pilots, and there's bold pilots, but there aren't many old bold pilots"

August 9th, 2007, 23:05	#43
Mr.Maximus Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: This One Posts: 289	Re: PC12 purchase...need lots of hours fast If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.............................................. ........................ Max

August 10th, 2007, 10:26	#44
NW_Pilot Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 59	Re: PC12 purchase...need lots of hours fast Well Max, from what i've seen of those pheasant they aren't the brightest birds so I should at least have a chance. I only want to get one or two, have one stuffed and eat the other maybe. I usually prefer to buy my fowl at the grocers. __________________ " There's old pilots, and there's bold pilots, but there aren't many old bold pilots"

September 10th, 2007, 09:52	#45
NW_Pilot Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 59	Re: PC12 purchase...need lots of hours fast Sum Biatches...This mortgage bank fiasco has my plans to fly full time on hold...possibly permanently. The "Dudes" have started second guessing the Pilatus purchase and are prolly going to back out of the deal. I on the other hand, have not and will not throw in the towel that easily, i'm selling my truck and a few other things and going for my Inst., Comm. & CFI...I will fly one way or another! I'll be 38 in a week, I hate my job, recently divorced, kids gone...screw it, i'm out! __________________ " There's old pilots, and there's bold pilots, but there aren't many old bold pilots"

September 10th, 2007, 13:13	#46
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,481	Re: PC12 purchase...need lots of hours fast Good luck. Hope things work out. 38 isn't too old to still have a good career in aviation. I say "good" as one who didn't need to make over 100K as long as I enjoyed what I was doing. Your single-ness will allow you to have a higher QOL while making less. Just don't leave your kids out of the picture. They are precious, and they need to know you want to be in their life. __________________ Click here to see how I became a UPS pilot http://www.jetcareers.com/content/view/65/132/

October 26th, 2007, 09:16	#48
Jimmy_Norton Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 97	Re: PC12 purchase...need lots of hours fast I thought all you need was the POH, the keys, and your fee? And why are you being so careful with this, you were ready to take off across the Atlantic in that Lear 25 without any training.

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