If you crash a plane...

[VSTMusic]

Not too long ago there was 2 incidents at Embry-Riddle PRC where and instructor and his student ran off the runway and banged up the plane. There was also another solo student kind of crashed on a solo cross country (didn't flare) All are fine thankfully but I was wondering if an incident like this would affect ones ability in getting a job. Or is it 'over' if you wreck a plane in flight training? I just wanted to know because a couple of my friends were saying who would hire a pilot who wrecked a plane in flight training?

comments, opinions, Facts?

[Jason]

One of best friends in college landed an Arrow gear up and that never slowed him down....he was a Captain at a regional by the time he was in his mid 20's and is now at SWA.

Jason

[BoilerPilot2007]

Cooperate with the FAA

[95redTA]

it can affect your ability to get a job wither lower times but over a lifespan...... it may have very little effect employers know that you would not crash/damage a plane on purpose its just a matter of satisfying the insurance company once you have enough hours most of the time you wont have much trouble with low time youll probably need some type of waiver for the insurance company.

Question- Why dont the insurance companys go ahead and give the interviews.......

[Jason]

Originally Posted by 95redTA

Question- Why dont the insurance companys go ahead and give the interviews.......

Answer - Because the notion that insurance companies control all aspects of aviation simply isn't correct. Trust me, I've been in the position of negotiating with the insurance company to get new pilots insured and with a few very special exceptions - you can always find an insurance company to insure anyone to fly anything if you're willing to pay the associated premiums. The problem is that the chief pilots/department managers/aircraft owners have their mind set that they only want to spend X amount of dollars out the budget for insurance and as a result are in the position of having to find applicants with certain qualifications.

[TFaudree_ERAU]

Originally Posted by 95redTA

it can affect your ability to get a job wither lower times but over a lifespan...... it may have very little effect employers know that you would not crash/damage a plane on purpose its just a matter of satisfying the insurance company once you have enough hours most of the time you wont have much trouble with low time youll probably need some type of waiver for the insurance company.

Question- Why dont the insurance companys go ahead and give the interviews.......

I see lots of periods, but none of them are where they need to be.

Originally Posted by Jason

Answer - Because the notion that insurance companies control all aspects of aviation simply isn't correct.

You sure it doesn't have anything to do with Warren Buffet owning Flight Safety and Applied Underwriters Inc? Lets see how this might work. Aircraft operator calls insurance agent of choice. Insurance agent talks to Applied Underwriters and they say "here's the premium, and they have to go to Flight Safety for training". Wow, so the absurd premium AND the fees to go to FSI...sounds like a fat wallet for Mr. Buffet.

[Jason]

Yeah, I'm sure.....

There is no disputing that Mr/ Buffet has a nice little gig going but it's not quite as far reaching as you make it sound.

[E6BAV8R]

It depends, in my opinion. Depending on if the incident/accident was your fault. If you have an engine failure and land in a field with no problems at all, I think it can help your chances.

Even if the problem wasn't you fault, I think if you show how much it helped you prepare and be more cinical, it can help.

[cavu4u]

While not good, it's not the end of the world. I know of a flight instructor that geared up an airplane with a student after he had interviewed with a regional, but before they had extended him an offer or 'thanks, but no thanks' letter. He contacted the regional as soon as it happened and let them know. They thanked him for letting them know so quickly and told them they'd take the incident into consideration as they determine whether to extend him an offer or not. Long story short... they still hired him.

[NW_Pilot]

Originally Posted by E6BAV8R

It depends, in my opinion. Depending on if the incident/accident was your fault. If you have an engine failure and land in a field with no problems at all, I think it can help your chances.

I had an engine failure once, set it down in a crap field, no damage or injuries. Talked to the FAA guy and after 30 minutes of questioning he was more than satisfied and went on his way...never heard another thing about it! Also got a check from the owner of the plane for $1,000 for not bending the thing up.

[t-cart]

Originally Posted by NW_Pilot

I had an engine failure once, set it down in a crap field, no damage or injuries. Talked to the FAA guy and after 30 minutes of questioning he was more than satisfied and went on his way...never heard another thing about it! Also got a check from the owner of the plane for $1,000 for not bending the thing up.

I always wondered where that stuff comes from. Do they grow it next to the corn and beans? FLY SAFE T.C.

[NW_Pilot]

Originally Posted by t-cart

I always wondered where that stuff comes from. Do they grow it next to the corn and beans? FLY SAFE T.C.

It was actually an old landfill that had been covered with dirt/grass...methane vents were sticking up everywhere. With probably a little over 800' or so to land I made one pass to determine the best path through them and kicked the tail around, landed between all of them and brought it to a stop about 100 ft. from a large/deep ditch at the treeline. It was very hilly too, bounced about 20' in the air after touchdown and "stuck it to the ground" and hit the brakes after it touched again. There were a few tense moments at first but afterwards I was good to go. I don't go up without scanning for emergency landing areas from the time I leave the ground till I land again. Oh, short field landings are my favorite now too so remember to practice those often!

[KW]

Pilot I knew ran an aircraft off the end of a runway. It didn't stop them from going on to a regional. I think the biggest thing companies want to see is that the accident was a mistake, that you owned up to it, and that you learned from it.

[Stratopilot]

Originally Posted by 95redTA

it can affect your ability to get a job wither lower times but over a lifespan...... it may have very little effect employers know that you would not crash/damage a plane on purpose its just a matter of satisfying the insurance company once you have enough hours most of the time you wont have much trouble with low time youll probably need some type of waiver for the insurance company.

Question- Why dont the insurance companys go ahead and give the interviews.......

HA! With my workload I don't have the bloody time to interview our insureds pilots, i also don't have the expert knowledge in the specifics of the aircraft, that and I don't see how "Tell me how you over came a difficult situation" applies to determining whether an operation is a good risk or not...However, we do frequently go out and see prospects and thier operation, but thats about a close as we get. Most of the time we rely on information that the broker gives us and other sources of information to verify that the information we are getting is accurate. Simply put over all we're are looking at the forest not the trees. If the forest looks good, we'll agressively persue the account, if it stinks we'll avoid it like the bloody plague.....usually. We as aviation insurance companies are not responsible for the safe operation of an airline, or a 135 operation, we are simply there to provide coverage for a premium that is justified based upon what the market will bear and in merits of the risk or lack thereof

[Stratopilot]

Originally Posted by TFaudree_ERAU

I see lots of periods, but none of them are where they need to be.



You sure it doesn't have anything to do with Warren Buffet owning Flight Safety and Applied Underwriters Inc? .

Never heard of Applied Underwriters. The main carriers in the market to day are Global Aerospace, USAIG, AIG Aviation. The smaller ones are W. Brown, Pheonix Aviation Insurance, CV Starr, Allianz, and the newest one on the block Inter-Aero. oh and London Aviation Underwriters. Applied Underwriters might be a reinsurer though...I'll have to look in to that. I've also never made anyone go to a specific training center.All i care about from that end is that its full motion simulator based training, and that they attend every year. On VERY rare occasion can I get approval for "in aircraft" recurrency training.

[Gizmo]

[quote=TFaudree_ERAU;572517]I see lots of periods, but none of them are where they need to be.



LMAO

Gawd I love this place.