CFI Union

jhugz · November 3rd, 2009, 21:57

Anyone have any experiences w/ one. If so hit me up in a PM.

Maurus · November 3rd, 2009, 23:50

Is there such a thing? If so, they have utterly failed.

jhugz · November 3rd, 2009, 23:53

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Originally Posted by Maurus

Is there such a thing? If so, they have utterly failed.

I know there have been a couple of places that have done this in shop...just wondering on some specifics.

kh15 · November 3rd, 2009, 23:56

Man, would a union be awesome. Right now I wish I could get paid 1,500 salary a month so I could know what I'll be making every month.....$1,500 would be golden.

jhugz · November 4th, 2009, 00:00

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Originally Posted by kh15

$1,500 would be golden.

Not to bust your balls but isn't that awful. I busted my ass to be where I'm at now. I could make more then that at a McD's drive through.

CFIT99 · November 4th, 2009, 00:17

agree..but I think his point is more along the lines that as an instructor you know how much you at least make...instead of 1 month making 2400 then the next 900 ...which I know has happened to some of my friends who instruct

flyingmaniac · November 4th, 2009, 00:18

Should there be a poll in the making?????

jhugz · November 4th, 2009, 00:21

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Originally Posted by CFIT99

agree..but I think his point is more along the lines that as an instructor you know how much you at least make...instead of 1 month making 2400 then the next 900 ...which I know has happened to some of my friends who instruct

No doubt about it, it would be nice.

As said before more then fair wages for a CFI would be:

25k For CFI
30k For Ass Chief
35k For Chief

Plus

Good Dental/Medical, Matching 401k, Paid Vacation, and monthly re-currency paid for by company.

Jbroz04 · November 4th, 2009, 00:50

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Quote:
Originally Posted by kh15

$1,500 would be golden.

Not to bust your balls but isn't that awful. I busted my ass to be where I'm at now. I could make more then that at a McD's drive through.

1500*12/52/7.3=47.42 hours a week. So you really can't make that at Mcdonalds. Just felt like doing the math.

jhugz · November 4th, 2009, 00:53

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Originally Posted by Jbroz04

1500*12/52/7.3=47.42 hours a week. So you really can't make that at Mcdonalds. Just felt like doing the math.

Your point? On a good month we are 7 hours short of being a minimum wage shop.

Jbroz04 · November 4th, 2009, 00:56

My point was that your statement that you could make MORE than that at mcdonalds was false. Sorry if it seems dickish but when you grow up in a house where your dad is a lawyer, you DONT make a argument unless you have facts to back it up and your facts have better be right because he will go check them. So I ran the numbers to see if they made sense and they didnt. That was my point.

jhugz · November 4th, 2009, 01:01

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Originally Posted by Jbroz04

My point was that your statement that you could make MORE than that at mcdonalds was false. Sorry if it seems dickish but when you grow up in a house where your dad is a lawyer, you DONT make a argument unless you have facts to back it up and your facts have better be right because he will go check them. So I ran the numbers to see if they made sense and they didnt. That was my point.

I made $750 as a FT CFI this month...could scan my pay stubs for you so that you can have all the facts.

Jbroz04 · November 4th, 2009, 01:06

I believe your not making crap there. I was just talking about the mcdonalds pay. The low pay is why I'll happily keep my job running the warehouse and just teach airplanes and gliders come next year. I couldn't live off just 750 a month.

jskibo · November 4th, 2009, 01:18

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Originally Posted by jhugz

I made $750 as a FT CFI this month...could scan my pay stubs for you so that you can have all the facts.

Ouch man....That sucks.

I think my instructor made that alone off me last month.

Douglas · November 4th, 2009, 01:20

Dude, I would be up for it but I'm too poor to pay the dues...that's how they get ya!

I have this day dream of being at our monthly CFI meeting with the bosses, we are going to put the brakes on the meeting pull out a gavel and jokingly vote in Union and a Union president and other items. I would love to see the reaction.

It would be funny, if we wouldn't all be fired before the joke fell.

--------
I honestly feel like I get a fair shake at my shop.
I think I get a just slightly below a fair % of the money I bring in with an hour of work. I know the boss is not paying me so little because they want more for themselves, but its because they have very little.

Now I worked at a different place that I saw a very small % of what was charged for an hour of my time. The only thing you can do there is quit. I did.

I personally think the answer is to charge more, which is only accomplishable if you go independent. IMO. If my school charged more we wouldn't be competitive to the other schools in the area.
It's a tough go to have a flight school, but if I worked at a place that I felt had the money and was holding out, I too would be all for a union.

My last pay check was $350
My one before that was a record high $1300

Blackhawk · November 4th, 2009, 01:21

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Originally Posted by jskibo

Ouch man....That sucks.

I think my instructor made that alone off me last month.

Yeah, I make more than that in a week instructing 0830-1430 M-F.

Jbroz04 · November 4th, 2009, 01:23

What about finding a part time job to make some extra cash till things pick up James? Go work at like a Red Lobster. You can work 2-3 nights a week and make a few hundred extra to get you through. Also get that debt off your credit card! The interest rate is crazy high.

jhugz · November 4th, 2009, 01:29

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Originally Posted by Jbroz04

What about finding a part time job to make some extra cash till things pick up James? Go work at like a Red Lobster. You can work 2-3 nights a week and make a few hundred extra to get you through. Also get that debt off your credit card! The interest rate is crazy high.

Trying but I'm kinda getting my balls busted on being there even when I don't have students.

As for the union dues...if this is going to just be an in house shop is there need for them?

Jbroz04 · November 4th, 2009, 01:31

As far as the union dues go yes even in house one have dues.

kh15 · November 4th, 2009, 02:28

The most I have made in one month is 2,000 flat. I figured out that I get paid exactly half the time I actually spend at the school. AND I make 48% of what is charged for my services...AND if it's a "advanced" student, the school charges even more for my services yet I get paid the same. AND I don't recieve NO benefits, NO paid time off, NO vacation. CFI'd for a year and a half now 7 days a week and I am slipping in school...time to move home, get a part time job as a ramper and finish college. It sucks because I love flying, better yet I love teaching...awesome job until we land and taxi back to the school...then reality sets in.

NickH · November 4th, 2009, 02:46

I have to ask, is your 'Comrade Obama' signature line critical of his policies or welcoming him as a socialist leader? I mean, given that you're a supporter of trade unionism and socialism?

I did just under $3K last month, which for autumn in Oregon is not too bad.

I'd suggest Taxi driving as a part time second job for the winter. I did last year and my accent, combined with my 'I'm an unemployed pilot' sob story, left me with about $300 a night. Net. That said, it's not easy, honest, legal or safe.

jhugz · November 4th, 2009, 02:54

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Originally Posted by NickH

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I'm a commie

NickH · November 4th, 2009, 03:56

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Originally Posted by jhugz

I'm a commie

Good for you. Many people on this site are but don't admit it.

BajtheJino · November 4th, 2009, 08:47

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Originally Posted by NickH

Many people on this site are but don't admit it.

I'll have to say the idea of a CFI union doesn't even begin to compute.

mojo6911 · November 4th, 2009, 08:55

CFIs are a dime a dozen right now. I could fire the whole staff and have the spots filled in 3 days.

November 3rd, 2009, 21:57	#1
jhugz Old Skool Join Date: May 2007 Location: YMCA Posts: 1,704	CFI Union Anyone have any experiences w/ one. If so hit me up in a PM. __________________ DHC-8-200 FA \| AGI.IGI \| CSEL.CMEL \| CFIA.CFII.MEI

November 3rd, 2009, 23:50	#2
Maurus Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,600	Re: CFI Union Is there such a thing? If so, they have utterly failed. __________________ “I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies; for the hardest victory is over self.” - Aristotle

November 3rd, 2009, 23:56	#4
kh15 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 37	Re: CFI Union Man, would a union be awesome. Right now I wish I could get paid 1,500 salary a month so I could know what I'll be making every month.....$1,500 would be golden.

November 4th, 2009, 00:17	#6
CFIT99 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: your moms house Posts: 146	Re: CFI Union agree..but I think his point is more along the lines that as an instructor you know how much you at least make...instead of 1 month making 2400 then the next 900 ...which I know has happened to some of my friends who instruct

November 4th, 2009, 00:18	#7
flyingmaniac Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Middle Ten I See Posts: 1,242	Re: CFI Union Should there be a poll in the making????? __________________ http://www.SellPart135.com http://heartbreakridge.mybrute.com People suffer because of desire. ^Rev. Run

November 4th, 2009, 00:56	#11
Jbroz04 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vermilion Posts: 611	Re: CFI Union My point was that your statement that you could make MORE than that at mcdonalds was false. Sorry if it seems dickish but when you grow up in a house where your dad is a lawyer, you DONT make a argument unless you have facts to back it up and your facts have better be right because he will go check them. So I ran the numbers to see if they made sense and they didnt. That was my point. __________________ The last thing every pilot does after a gear up landing is to move the gear selector to down.

November 4th, 2009, 01:06	#13
Jbroz04 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vermilion Posts: 611	Re: CFI Union I believe your not making crap there. I was just talking about the mcdonalds pay. The low pay is why I'll happily keep my job running the warehouse and just teach airplanes and gliders come next year. I couldn't live off just 750 a month. __________________ The last thing every pilot does after a gear up landing is to move the gear selector to down.

November 4th, 2009, 01:20	#15
Douglas Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: The Good Life. Posts: 2,254	Re: CFI Union Dude, I would be up for it but I'm too poor to pay the dues...that's how they get ya! I have this day dream of being at our monthly CFI meeting with the bosses, we are going to put the brakes on the meeting pull out a gavel and jokingly vote in Union and a Union president and other items. I would love to see the reaction. It would be funny, if we wouldn't all be fired before the joke fell. -------- I honestly feel like I get a fair shake at my shop. I think I get a just slightly below a fair % of the money I bring in with an hour of work. I know the boss is not paying me so little because they want more for themselves, but its because they have very little. Now I worked at a different place that I saw a very small % of what was charged for an hour of my time. The only thing you can do there is quit. I did. I personally think the answer is to charge more, which is only accomplishable if you go independent. IMO. If my school charged more we wouldn't be competitive to the other schools in the area. It's a tough go to have a flight school, but if I worked at a place that I felt had the money and was holding out, I too would be all for a union. My last pay check was $350 My one before that was a record high $1300 __________________ EYE/ Double EYE/ Multi EYE/ GOLDEN-EYE Instructor---> Full Time Charter pilot-> Part Time Legend-----> Spare Time. Student pilot guide

November 4th, 2009, 01:23	#17
Jbroz04 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vermilion Posts: 611	Re: CFI Union What about finding a part time job to make some extra cash till things pick up James? Go work at like a Red Lobster. You can work 2-3 nights a week and make a few hundred extra to get you through. Also get that debt off your credit card! The interest rate is crazy high. __________________ The last thing every pilot does after a gear up landing is to move the gear selector to down.

November 4th, 2009, 01:31	#19
Jbroz04 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vermilion Posts: 611	Re: CFI Union As far as the union dues go yes even in house one have dues. __________________ The last thing every pilot does after a gear up landing is to move the gear selector to down.

November 4th, 2009, 02:28	#20
kh15 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 37	Re: CFI Union The most I have made in one month is 2,000 flat. I figured out that I get paid exactly half the time I actually spend at the school. AND I make 48% of what is charged for my services...AND if it's a "advanced" student, the school charges even more for my services yet I get paid the same. AND I don't recieve NO benefits, NO paid time off, NO vacation. CFI'd for a year and a half now 7 days a week and I am slipping in school...time to move home, get a part time job as a ramper and finish college. It sucks because I love flying, better yet I love teaching...awesome job until we land and taxi back to the school...then reality sets in.

November 4th, 2009, 02:46	#21
NickH Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 878	Re: CFI Union I have to ask, is your 'Comrade Obama' signature line critical of his policies or welcoming him as a socialist leader? I mean, given that you're a supporter of trade unionism and socialism? I did just under $3K last month, which for autumn in Oregon is not too bad. I'd suggest Taxi driving as a part time second job for the winter. I did last year and my accent, combined with my 'I'm an unemployed pilot' sob story, left me with about $300 a night. Net. That said, it's not easy, honest, legal or safe.

November 4th, 2009, 08:55	#25
mojo6911 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: GKY Posts: 3,386	Re: CFI Union CFIs are a dime a dozen right now. I could fire the whole staff and have the spots filled in 3 days.

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