Gold Seal question

vikingair · October 23rd, 2009, 19:11

I'm a bit confused about the requirements for a Gold Seal certificate.
My first time signoff/pass rate is 9/7 and counting the retests (two) my total signoff/pass rate is 11/9. They were all foreign contract students (Chinese) so while I'd like it to be higher I won't beat myself up about it.

I understand that the two retests don't count towards the Gold Seal and I need one more fresh sign off/pass to qualify (bringing my first time signoff/pass rate to 10/8)

Does it hurt me to sign off a student for a retest who failed the first time with another instructor or would that count to lower my total percentage?

Trained and recommended at least 10 applicants for certificates or ratings, and at least 80 percent of these applicants must have passed the flight test on their first attempt;

moxiepilot · October 23rd, 2009, 23:40

The way I read it, your answer is right here:

Quote:

Originally Posted by vikingair

Trained and recommended at least 10 applicants for certificates or ratings, and at least 80 percent of these applicants must have passed the flight test on their first attempt

vikingair · October 24th, 2009, 00:33

So I get that..I really do. I can take 1000 students who have failed with another CFI, retrain them and have them pass and it doesn't do squat. I would have 1009 signoffs, 1007 passes and still only 7 first time passes and 2 failures. Would that give me a percentage of .006?

particlem86 · October 24th, 2009, 05:39

From my understanding I'd say you need the 80% on first attempt of people you sign off for their first attempt. If you sign somebody else who failed their first time, but you were not the original instructor (you didn't "sign" their first application), it doesn't really effect it any way. In fact, when I did mine less than a year ago, its all on iacra now, and the FSDO guy just wanted me to show him proof of my pass rate which I did using a spread sheet I made. Like any reg I'm sure you can read into it as much as you want, and it can be interpreted many ways, but bottom line, the FAA will want to see that you signed off at least 10 people for their first checkride, and they made it through the first time. That's the vibe around here at least. Haha, but I can't say that IS the way it is.

Jbroz04 · October 24th, 2009, 11:09

Dont you also have to be a CFI for 24 months?

FlybyLaw · October 25th, 2009, 17:10

If it is your first sign off with them, then it counts toward your gold seal. That is what the FSDO told me years ago.

Douglas · October 25th, 2009, 21:52

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Originally Posted by Jbroz04

Dont you also have to be a CFI for 24 months?

Nope.

MFT1Air · October 26th, 2009, 15:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Douglas

Nope.

Let me please carry the question a step further. How long is required for a newly minted CFI or CFII to sign off on either a CFI or CFII?

Is there a time requirement?

vikingair · October 26th, 2009, 16:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFT1Air

Let me please carry the question a step further. How long is required for a newly minted CFI or CFII to sign off on either a CFI or CFII?

Is there a time requirement?

There is and there isn't..61.195(H) Generally you need to have held your instructor cert for 24 months but there are provisions that allow you to give the ground and/or flight training with less than 24 months

nosehair · October 26th, 2009, 19:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by vikingair

61.195(H) Generally you need to have held your instructor cert for 24 months but there are

under a 141 school

Quote:

provisions that allow you to give the ground and/or flight training with less than 24 months

particlem86 · October 27th, 2009, 16:23

Generally, for any initial CFI training, you have to be the whole 2 year 200 dual given. After that, anything goes. If you got your CFI yesterday, and then got your CFII today, you could train your buddy who got his CFI today to get his CFII. Its only the initial that has the tricky rules.

Maurus · October 29th, 2009, 02:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by particlem86

Generally, for any initial CFI training, you have to be the whole 2 year 200 dual given. After that, anything goes. If you got your CFI yesterday, and then got your CFII today, you could train your buddy who got his CFI today to get his CFII. Its only the initial that has the tricky rules.

Yup, my first signoff was a CFII add-on

MFT1Air · October 29th, 2009, 15:11

Sounds good to me.

October 23rd, 2009, 19:11	#1
vikingair Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 117	Gold Seal question I'm a bit confused about the requirements for a Gold Seal certificate. My first time signoff/pass rate is 9/7 and counting the retests (two) my total signoff/pass rate is 11/9. They were all foreign contract students (Chinese) so while I'd like it to be higher I won't beat myself up about it. I understand that the two retests don't count towards the Gold Seal and I need one more fresh sign off/pass to qualify (bringing my first time signoff/pass rate to 10/8) Does it hurt me to sign off a student for a retest who failed the first time with another instructor or would that count to lower my total percentage? Trained and recommended at least 10 applicants for certificates or ratings, and at least 80 percent* of these applicants must have passed the flight test on their first attempt*;

October 24th, 2009, 00:33	#3
vikingair Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 117	Re: Gold Seal question So I get that..I really do. I can take 1000 students who have failed with another CFI, retrain them and have them pass and it doesn't do squat. I would have 1009 signoffs, 1007 passes and still only 7 first time passes and 2 failures. Would that give me a percentage of .006?

October 24th, 2009, 05:39	#4
particlem86 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Corn fields, USA Posts: 18	Re: Gold Seal question From my understanding I'd say you need the 80% on first attempt of people you sign off for their first attempt. If you sign somebody else who failed their first time, but you were not the original instructor (you didn't "sign" their first application), it doesn't really effect it any way. In fact, when I did mine less than a year ago, its all on iacra now, and the FSDO guy just wanted me to show him proof of my pass rate which I did using a spread sheet I made. Like any reg I'm sure you can read into it as much as you want, and it can be interpreted many ways, but bottom line, the FAA will want to see that you signed off at least 10 people for their first checkride, and they made it through the first time. That's the vibe around here at least. Haha, but I can't say that IS the way it is.

October 24th, 2009, 11:09	#5
Jbroz04 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vermilion Posts: 614	Re: Gold Seal question Dont you also have to be a CFI for 24 months? __________________ The last thing every pilot does after a gear up landing is to move the gear selector to down.

October 25th, 2009, 17:10	#6
FlybyLaw Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 41	Re: Gold Seal question If it is your first sign off with them, then it counts toward your gold seal. That is what the FSDO told me years ago.

October 27th, 2009, 16:23	#11
particlem86 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Corn fields, USA Posts: 18	Re: Gold Seal question Generally, for any initial CFI training, you have to be the whole 2 year 200 dual given. After that, anything goes. If you got your CFI yesterday, and then got your CFII today, you could train your buddy who got his CFI today to get his CFII. Its only the initial that has the tricky rules.

October 29th, 2009, 15:11	#13
MFT1Air Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Clear Lake, TX Posts: 1,599	Re: Gold Seal question Sounds good to me.

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