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Old June 9th, 2008, 10:24   #1
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Default Helicopter to ASEL PPL

I may have a student that holds a helicopter PPL that wants to get his ASEL PPL. Looking at 61.63, it sounds like he will still need the required 40 hours of flight training (since it is an additional category). The only thing that I see he doesn't have to do is take his written again. Am I reading this correctly, or am I missing more of the FARs? Does he still need to do the full 40 hours of flight training?
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Old June 9th, 2008, 14:30   #2
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Read it again.

61.109(a) "40 hours flight time", which includes 20 hours flight training, and 10 hours solo in..." then breaks it down into specific hours of single-engine time.
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Old June 9th, 2008, 21:55   #3
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I may have a student that holds a helicopter PPL that wants to get his ASEL PPL. Looking at 61.63, it sounds like he will still need the required 40 hours of flight training (since it is an additional category). The only thing that I see he doesn't have to do is take his written again. Am I reading this correctly, or am I missing more of the FARs? Does he still need to do the full 40 hours of flight training?
Go to my website and follow the link for private pilot add on; it's on the left side.
There is a syllabus in Word format. Please feel free to copy it and change it in any way you see fit. The syllabus is specific to my area (it lists the cross country airports), and there is at least one spelling error. I realistically came up with 27.5 hours. Also, I need to update it with some of the ground and on-line courses (I use the AOPA ASF and FAA Safety courses liberally).
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Old June 9th, 2008, 23:50   #4
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Default Re: Helicopter to ASEL PPL

This doesn't exactly cover your situation, but it'll give you the idea:

http://www.jetcareers.com/content/view/112/220/
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Old June 10th, 2008, 09:48   #5
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Default Re: Helicopter to ASEL PPL

Okay, I went back and re-read 61.109 and looked specifically where it mentions anything about airplane single-engine, or in an airplane. After doing so my count of hours required was 22.

Thanks for the replies.

Sam, your website looks good. I like your syllabus too, so I will probably borrow from it if not use it outright.

Ian, that's a great write-up that you did, and it helps explain very clearly what a pilot needs and why. Great stuff!

Thanks again!

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Old June 10th, 2008, 14:02   #6
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Default Re: Helicopter to ASEL PPL

I know you're trying to 'cheap it out', but realisticly, it's 30.

"20 hours flt. training (with an instructor) and 10 hours solo, in the areas of operation listed in 61.107(b)(1)..."

61.107(b)(1) is "For an airplane category single-engine class rating."

The further break-down of single-engine time is to specify, say for example, 3 hours navigation training in a single-engine, but the intent is to have a total of 20 dual and 10 solo in a single engine.
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I know you're trying to 'cheap it out', but realisticly, it's 30.

"20 hours flt. training (with an instructor) and 10 hours solo, in the areas of operation listed in 61.107(b)(1)..."

61.107(b)(1) is "For an airplane category single-engine class rating."

The further break-down of single-engine time is to specify, say for example, 3 hours navigation training in a single-engine, but the intent is to have a total of 20 dual and 10 solo in a single engine.
Yeah, my updated syllabus comes in at 30.5 hours.
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