Flight Instructor Limitations Question

[BenWlson]

§ 61.195 Flight instructor limitations and qualifications.

(f) Training received in a multiengine airplane, a helicopter, or a powered-lift. A flight instructor may not give training required for the issuance of a certificate or rating in a multiengine airplane, a helicopter, or a powered-lift unless that flight instructor has at least 5 flight hours of pilot-in-command time in the specific make and model of multiengine airplane, helicopter, or powered-lift, as appropriate.


This regulation uses the phrase, "training required for the issuance of a certificate or rating." The way I read this, a MEI can give flight instruction in a ME airplane with no time in type for the purpose of a flight review, instrument proficiency check, insurance checkout, ATC refresher course, mountain flying course, etc. The flight instructor would only be prohibited from giving training that meets the requirements of a certificate or rating. Is this interpretation correct?

[Nihon_Ni]

Correct.

[PatrickCPS]

[MikeOH58]

OT but another limitation is 8 hours in 24 hours...Well today I flew 7.8 hours. I think I officially hate flying right now! Thank God for the rain tomorrow hehe

[PanJet]

Originally Posted by MikeOH58

OT but another limitation is 8 hours in 24 hours...Well today I flew 7.8 hours. I think I officially hate flying right now! Thank God for the rain tomorrow hehe

Rain? Man as long as it's not icing I'm more excited about rainy days then the sunny ones. I get to play in the clouds with my students and it's not so darn bumpy over these brown hills in eastern WA.

[MikeOH58]

FM1000 10011KT 2SM RA BR OVC007
FM1400 09012KT 2SM RA BR OVC004

Thats the problem rain poses lol. Don't have the II add on ride
until the 16th. Soon enough!

[PanJet]

Originally Posted by MikeOH58

FM1000 10011KT 2SM RA BR OVC007
FM1400 09012KT 2SM RA BR OVC004

Aww man. I wish we got that out here (without the icing). That'd be perfect for IFR practice. Seems like here either the clouds are too high (or non-existent) or it's 1/4SM FZFG OVC001.

[ftyflyboy]

I guess I have a problem with the logic here. Let’s take the flight review as an example.
Requirements for a BFR are at least 1 hour of ground and 1 hour of flight instruction. If you are a MEI without 5-hours in make and model you cannot sign a students’ log book as dual given, and your student cannot log the time as dual received, thus you cannot give the 1-hour of fight instruction to meet the requirements of a BFR.

[mojo6911]

Originally Posted by ftyflyboy

I guess I have a problem with the logic here. Let’s take the flight review as an example.
Requirements for a BFR are at least 1 hour of ground and 1 hour of flight instruction. If you are a MEI without 5-hours in make and model you cannot sign a students’ log book as dual given, and your student cannot log the time as dual received, thus you cannot give the 1-hour of fight instruction to meet the requirements of a BFR.

There is nothing that says you cannot give training in the airplane. It says you cannot give training towards a certificate or rating in a multi-engine airplane. When you are doing a flight review, it is training, but not training towards a certificate or rating in a multi-engine airplane.

Now I would like to get everyone's opinion on something a little different. We train students to take the Commercial Single and Multi the same day, doing the single portion in a 172, and showing complex proficiency and multi-engine in a Duchess.

Can an instructor without the 5 hours make and model give training to the student in the Duchess towards the 10 hours of complex for the single-engine portion, while another instructor ultimately gives training and signs them off for the multi portion?

[USMCmech]

Originally Posted by mojo6911

Can an instructor without the 5 hours make and model give training to the student in the Duchess towards the 10 hours of complex for the single-engine portion, while another instructor ultimately gives training and signs them off for the multi portion?

I would say no.

Since the 10 hours of complex time is to meet a requirement for a certificate, the intent of the reg would prohibit this.

[Cessnaflyer]

Originally Posted by PanJet

Rain? Man as long as it's not icing I'm more excited about rainy days then the sunny ones. I get to play in the clouds with my students and it's not so darn bumpy over these brown hills in eastern WA.

Haha I know what you are talking about. Tomorrow I only have 2 students here and a ground session so I don't think I'll be tossed around too much.