Solo students.

surreal1221 · January 18th, 2008, 21:33

Has anyone's student end up causing damage to an airplane during a solo flight?

Chewie von Nubbins · January 18th, 2008, 21:35

Uh oh. What happened?

surreal1221 · January 18th, 2008, 21:49

I may be able to detail it a bit further in the short future, but for now let's just say that a solo student had some difficulties landing an airplane out at the airport today.

a) The student was not mine.

USMC-SGT · January 18th, 2008, 22:46

I had a student wipe out the tail tie down on a skyhawk....no big deal, they are a dime a dozen and most flight schools keep them in stock.

I wasnt impressed but it could have been worse

ZachH · January 18th, 2008, 23:02

I sure hope it was not XXXX. I remember when that guy scraped the tip on landing and the did a go around pretending nothing happend, He was a fresh PPL.

slpilot · January 19th, 2008, 00:32

i heard of a student at a flight school i attended awhile back who was on a solo cross country and couldnt handle a crosswind and the wind pushed him into a ditch off the side of the runway

v1valarob · January 19th, 2008, 02:19

A student at our school bounced a plane and prop striked it. I emphasize what to do in a bounce big time now.

This is what my FIRST SOLO SIGN OFF student decided to do on his second go at the pattern.

-Rob

moxiepilot · January 19th, 2008, 06:37

about 4 weeks ago my student totaled his pa28-180.

he was the only student who i've soloed who has had a problem. the problem was caused because he was "experimenting" with some control inputs. the man is in his 40's.

i learned to tell my students not to frack around, but stick with the program.

I get to meet with the student and the FSDO next Thurs, not for a 709 check for me but remedial training for him. >

mojo6911 · January 19th, 2008, 09:32

It hasn't happened yet, but with as many people as I sign off, I am sure it is bound to happen at some point. As long as you do all the presolo stuff properly (training, endorsements, etc...), it can't really be your fault.

Crockrocket94 · January 19th, 2008, 11:41

Looks like some serious off roading there!

Surreal, I wouldnt worry about it, as long as the instructor is covered with endorsements etc, should be no problem.

surreal1221 · January 19th, 2008, 11:54

I'm not worried about anything, for anyone, except for the student.

I just hadn't really mentioned the subject - since it is kinda one of those unmentionables (Don't ask me if I've had a student do something to an airplane - you'll jinx me type of things).

OldTownPilot · January 19th, 2008, 12:27

Hasn't happened at our school. Know someone who it happened to, with fairly substantial damage. He has been hired by two airlines now, both all prop regionals. Took him a few tries to get hired by the first one though.

ryanmickG · January 21st, 2008, 12:35

61.87 guys. Make sure that you document everything in it. If you have on of these " I can solo a guy in 6 hours!" penis contest with other instructors then it could be a career ending mistake.

If something happens and the student logbook shows that you have not gone over 61.87 and you just did 200 touch n goes with the guy you are looking at suspension and violation on your record.

Not to mention the civil liability involved...

jtrain609 · January 21st, 2008, 12:58

Ryan ain't joking. Skymates has seen a handful of these incidents happen and if everything is documented correctly and you did the training, you SHOULD be fine. Now if you get an inspector investigating the case who wants to 709 you no matter what, well, good luck.

SkiHigh2002 · January 21st, 2008, 14:09

I used forms that listed EVERYTHING in the particular section of Part 61 that I needed to detail with the student. I made sure everything was in the student's logbook VERBATIM as it reads in the FAR. Finally, the student had to sign the form indicating that he/she had received all of the required training of the part.

To the point of the post, I had a guy go off the edge of the runway on his first solo. Likely, he didn't allow the nose wheel to straighten when he lined up on the runway. He applied full power and the aircraft lurched to the left side of the runway. He freaked and the left tire exited the runway. This was a guy who NEVER had any problem with runway centerline or not letting the nose wheel caster to center.

If I remember correctly, he soloed within the week. He was definitely my best student before and after the incident.

HighFlyingIL · January 21st, 2008, 18:11

FUnny this thread comes up. One of our instructors didn't help a private student out on a landing and ... well... NTSB says : http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...18X00584&key=1

BASICALLY heres how it went down... power was at idle, student touched down but bounced... he was coming back down for the 2nd bounce but went full power, yanked up REAL HARD on the controls and at 30 feet above the runway POWER-ON STALL!!! TAIL FIRST INTO THE RUNWAY... PLANE TOTALLED... Happened on Rwy. 33 which is right in front of my school, AND its at our home airport...student no longer wants to be a pilot... oh well... N97224 you will be missed (i did my first solo, and all my checkrides minus commercial in that plane darnit)

January 18th, 2008, 21:33	#1
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 9,840	Solo students. Has anyone's student end up causing damage to an airplane during a solo flight? __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \| The TRoP \| Rmble On \| ALPA \| IVAW \| ACLU \|

January 18th, 2008, 21:35	#2
Chewie von Nubbins Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KGKY Posts: 947	Re: Solo students. Uh oh. What happened? __________________ CFI, CFII, IGI

January 18th, 2008, 21:49	#3
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 9,840	Re: Solo students. I may be able to detail it a bit further in the short future, but for now let's just say that a solo student had some difficulties landing an airplane out at the airport today. a) The student was not mine. __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \| The TRoP \| Rmble On \| ALPA \| IVAW \| ACLU \|

January 18th, 2008, 22:46	#4
USMC-SGT Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: East Posts: 1,145	Re: Solo students. I had a student wipe out the tail tie down on a skyhawk....no big deal, they are a dime a dozen and most flight schools keep them in stock. I wasnt impressed but it could have been worse __________________ .....i have two speeds, walk and kill

January 18th, 2008, 23:02	#5
ZachH Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Fayetteville Posts: 281	Re: Solo students. I sure hope it was not XXXX. I remember when that guy scraped the tip on landing and the did a go around pretending nothing happend, He was a fresh PPL. __________________ If guns kill people I can blame misspelled words on my pencil - Larry the Cable Guy.

January 19th, 2008, 00:32	#6
slpilot Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 61	Re: Solo students. i heard of a student at a flight school i attended awhile back who was on a solo cross country and couldnt handle a crosswind and the wind pushed him into a ditch off the side of the runway

January 19th, 2008, 02:19	#7
v1valarob Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 1,197 Blog Entries: 6	Re: Solo students. A student at our school bounced a plane and prop striked it. I emphasize what to do in a bounce big time now. This is what my FIRST SOLO SIGN OFF student decided to do on his second go at the pattern. -Rob __________________ SF340 - SIC CFI/MEI http://robertstogsdill.flyblog.com

January 19th, 2008, 06:37	#8
moxiepilot Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: CFI / CFII in PA Posts: 2,712	Re: Solo students. about 4 weeks ago my student totaled his pa28-180. he was the only student who i've soloed who has had a problem. the problem was caused because he was "experimenting" with some control inputs. the man is in his 40's. i learned to tell my students not to frack around, but stick with the program. I get to meet with the student and the FSDO next Thurs, not for a 709 check for me but remedial training for him. >

January 19th, 2008, 09:32	#9
mojo6911 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: GKY Posts: 1,727	Re: Solo students. It hasn't happened yet, but with as many people as I sign off, I am sure it is bound to happen at some point. As long as you do all the presolo stuff properly (training, endorsements, etc...), it can't really be your fault.

January 19th, 2008, 11:41	#10
Crockrocket94 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In a place warmer than State College.. for now. Posts: 894	Re: Solo students. Looks like some serious off roading there! Surreal, I wouldnt worry about it, as long as the instructor is covered with endorsements etc, should be no problem. __________________ Craig CFI-CFII-MEI www.logshare.com/log.jsp?email=craigcrocker1@yahoo.com

January 19th, 2008, 11:54	#11
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 9,840	Re: Solo students. I'm not worried about anything, for anyone, except for the student. I just hadn't really mentioned the subject - since it is kinda one of those unmentionables (Don't ask me if I've had a student do something to an airplane - you'll jinx me type of things). __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \| The TRoP \| Rmble On \| ALPA \| IVAW \| ACLU \|

January 19th, 2008, 12:27	#12
OldTownPilot Old Skool Join Date: May 2005 Location: BGR (Bangor, ME) Posts: 3,035 Blog Entries: 6	Re: Solo students. Hasn't happened at our school. Know someone who it happened to, with fairly substantial damage. He has been hired by two airlines now, both all prop regionals. Took him a few tries to get hired by the first one though. __________________ As a wise man said, sumb!tch flew in, sumb!tch'll fly out. Ski Hard. Party Harder.

January 21st, 2008, 12:35	#13
ryanmickG Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arlington TX Posts: 1,910	Re: Solo students. 61.87 guys. Make sure that you document everything in it. If you have on of these " I can solo a guy in 6 hours!" penis contest with other instructors then it could be a career ending mistake. If something happens and the student logbook shows that you have not gone over 61.87 and you just did 200 touch n goes with the guy you are looking at suspension and violation on your record. Not to mention the civil liability involved...

January 21st, 2008, 12:58	#14
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,346	Re: Solo students. Ryan ain't joking. Skymates has seen a handful of these incidents happen and if everything is documented correctly and you did the training, you SHOULD be fine. Now if you get an inspector investigating the case who wants to 709 you no matter what, well, good luck. __________________

January 21st, 2008, 14:09	#15
SkiHigh2002 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 150	Re: Solo students. I used forms that listed EVERYTHING in the particular section of Part 61 that I needed to detail with the student. I made sure everything was in the student's logbook VERBATIM as it reads in the FAR. Finally, the student had to sign the form indicating that he/she had received all of the required training of the part. To the point of the post, I had a guy go off the edge of the runway on his first solo. Likely, he didn't allow the nose wheel to straighten when he lined up on the runway. He applied full power and the aircraft lurched to the left side of the runway. He freaked and the left tire exited the runway. This was a guy who NEVER had any problem with runway centerline or not letting the nose wheel caster to center. If I remember correctly, he soloed within the week. He was definitely my best student before and after the incident. __________________ --------- "It is possible to fly without motors, but not without knowledge and skill" -- Wilbur Wright

January 21st, 2008, 18:11	#16
HighFlyingIL Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Carol Stream, IL Posts: 72	Re: Solo students. FUnny this thread comes up. One of our instructors didn't help a private student out on a landing and ... well... NTSB says : http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...18X00584&key=1 BASICALLY heres how it went down... power was at idle, student touched down but bounced... he was coming back down for the 2nd bounce but went full power, yanked up REAL HARD on the controls and at 30 feet above the runway POWER-ON STALL!!! TAIL FIRST INTO THE RUNWAY... PLANE TOTALLED... Happened on Rwy. 33 which is right in front of my school, AND its at our home airport...student no longer wants to be a pilot... oh well... N97224 you will be missed (i did my first solo, and all my checkrides minus commercial in that plane darnit)

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