Student under the hood. . .how do you log it?

surreal1221 · November 22nd, 2007, 12:21

It just dawned on me, and really. . .I could care less. . .but I want to know the rest of you log this type of time.

I have a number of instrument students, and I have been just logging it as Dual Given for the whole flight. Do you guys log any PIC time while they are under the hood? These students are all private certificated pilot(s) in ASEL, so I'm also not logging any of the landings, and am not logging any PIC time with them. But, like a safety pilot example. . .two people are logging PIC.

Would it be appropriate for me to log the time they are under the hood (for example .8 of a 1.0 flight) as PIC time for me?

Not trying to get into a whole debate, just want to know how some of you guys log this type of stuff. Or is it best that I just continue to log it as dual given.

vabantha · November 22nd, 2007, 12:46

Why aren't you logging all your dual given as PIC?

Quote:

Originally Posted by surreal1221

It just dawned on me, and really. . .I could care less. . .but I want to know the rest of you log this type of time.

I have a number of instrument students, and I have been just logging it as Dual Given for the whole flight. Do you guys log any PIC time while they are under the hood? These students are all private certificated pilot(s) in ASEL, so I'm also not logging any of the landings, and am not logging any PIC time with them. But, like a safety pilot example. . .two people are logging PIC.

Would it be appropriate for me to log the time they are under the hood (for example .8 of a 1.0 flight) as PIC time for me?

Not trying to get into a whole debate, just want to know how some of you guys log this type of stuff. Or is it best that I just continue to log it as dual given.

PGT · November 22nd, 2007, 12:51

I always thought it was dual given = PIC

MidlifeFlyer · November 22nd, 2007, 13:09

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61.51(e)(3) An authorized instructor may log as pilot-in-command time all flight time while acting as an authorized instructor.
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surreal, I have the same question as the others. Why are you choosing not to log legitimate PIC time? Is it because you have met all of your PIC time requirements for Part 135 and your ATP already so you don't need it?

surreal1221 · November 22nd, 2007, 15:28

Hmm I just learned something.

I'll end up going back logging it as PIC.

All of my dual given.

Thanks guys.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MidlifeFlyer

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61.51(e)(3) An authorized instructor may log as pilot-in-command time all flight time while acting as an authorized instructor.
==============================

surreal, I have the same question as the others. Why are you choosing not to log legitimate PIC time? Is it because you have met all of your PIC time requirements for Part 135 and your ATP already so you don't need it?

Berkut · November 22nd, 2007, 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by MidlifeFlyer

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61.51(e)(3) An authorized instructor may log as pilot-in-command time all flight time while acting as an authorized instructor.
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omg loophole.

Always Moving · November 22nd, 2007, 21:41

I suggest you do a CFIRC!

And you are probably NOT and oldtimer but a fresh FI

Crockrocket94 · November 23rd, 2007, 14:51

Surreal! I expected more out of you than that!

As long as your are appropriatly rated to teach in that airplane you can log PIC

Don't they teach you anything up there at FFC?

:P

surreal1221 · November 23rd, 2007, 15:56

Trick question Craig, lol.

And Alwaysmoving, welcome to JC. . .but more importantly. . .wth is CFIRC?

And yes, I'm a pretty new CFI.

Nihon_Ni · November 23rd, 2007, 17:05

CFIRC = CFI Refresher Clinic

It's how you renew your certificate when it expires every 24 months.

SIUav8er · November 26th, 2007, 02:01

wow, not logging dual as PIC...what the heck man! (did you know that you also get to log XC, night, actual, etc... as an instructor giving instruction?)

Douglas · November 26th, 2007, 09:16

Don't forget to log the approaches if you are in actual, too.

cfii2007 · November 27th, 2007, 19:14

Actually you should wear a hood, just like your student.

You can then log it as PIC and simulated instrumet.

JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!

beechpilot · November 28th, 2007, 20:38

I log the time under: As flight instructor, PIC, and total time.

cfii2007 · November 29th, 2007, 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Douglas

Don't forget to log the approaches if you are in actual, too.

I don't believe the CFII can log the approaches...only the time spent in actual conditions.

MidlifeFlyer · November 29th, 2007, 18:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfii2007

I don't believe the CFII can log the approaches...only the time spent in actual conditions.

It's one of those "controversies." I describe it in some detail here:

May a CFII Log Student Approaches Flown in Actual IMC?

cfii2007 · November 29th, 2007, 20:02

Good info...I've never logged it, and never will.

cfii2007 · November 29th, 2007, 20:02

The two pilots may, however, agree prior to initiating the flight that the safety pilot will be the PIC responsible for the operation and safety of the aircraft during the flight. If this is done, then the safety pilot may log all the flight time as PIC time in accordance with FAR 1.1 and the pilot under the hood may log, concurrently, all of the flight time during which he is the sole manipulator of the controls as PIC time in accordance with FAR 61.51(c)(2)(i). Enclosed please find a prior FAA interpretation concerning the logging of flight time under simulated instrument flight conditions. We hope that this interpretation will be of further assistance to you.</B>

November 22nd, 2007, 12:21	#1
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 8,979	Student under the hood. . .how do you log it? It just dawned on me, and really. . .I could care less. . .but I want to know the rest of you log this type of time. I have a number of instrument students, and I have been just logging it as Dual Given for the whole flight. Do you guys log any PIC time while they are under the hood? These students are all private certificated pilot(s) in ASEL, so I'm also not logging any of the landings, and am not logging any PIC time with them. But, like a safety pilot example. . .two people are logging PIC. Would it be appropriate for me to log the time they are under the hood (for example .8 of a 1.0 flight) as PIC time for me? Not trying to get into a whole debate, just want to know how some of you guys log this type of stuff. Or is it best that I just continue to log it as dual given. __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \| The TRoP \| Rmble On \| ALPA \|

November 22nd, 2007, 12:51	#3
PGT Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: DSM / STC Posts: 3,050	Re: Student under the hood. . .how do you log it? I always thought it was dual given = PIC __________________ PPL 55 hours TT

November 22nd, 2007, 13:09	#4
MidlifeFlyer Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: Denver Colorado Posts: 2,952	Re: Student under the hood. . .how do you log it? ============================== 61.51(e)(3) An authorized instructor may log as pilot-in-command time all flight time while acting as an authorized instructor. ============================== surreal, I have the same question as the others. Why are you choosing not to log legitimate PIC time? Is it because you have met all of your PIC time requirements for Part 135 and your ATP already so you don't need it? __________________ Mark www.midlifeflight.com "I don't understand" doesn't mean it's gray

November 22nd, 2007, 21:41	#7
Always Moving Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 34	Re: Student under the hood. . .how do you log it? I suggest you do a CFIRC! And you are probably NOT and oldtimer but a fresh FI

November 23rd, 2007, 14:51	#8
Crockrocket94 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In a place warmer than State College.. for now. Posts: 884	Re: Student under the hood. . .how do you log it? Surreal! I expected more out of you than that! As long as your are appropriatly rated to teach in that airplane you can log PIC Don't they teach you anything up there at FFC? :P __________________ Craig CFI-CFII-MEI www.logshare.com/log.jsp?email=craigcrocker1@yahoo.com

November 23rd, 2007, 15:56	#9
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 8,979	Re: Student under the hood. . .how do you log it? Trick question Craig, lol. And Alwaysmoving, welcome to JC. . .but more importantly. . .wth is CFIRC? And yes, I'm a pretty new CFI. __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \| The TRoP \| Rmble On \| ALPA \|

November 23rd, 2007, 17:05	#10
Nihon_Ni Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 265	Re: Student under the hood. . .how do you log it? CFIRC = CFI Refresher Clinic It's how you renew your certificate when it expires every 24 months.

November 26th, 2007, 02:01	#11
SIUav8er Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: at work Posts: 924	Re: Student under the hood. . .how do you log it? wow, not logging dual as PIC...what the heck man! (did you know that you also get to log XC, night, actual, etc... as an instructor giving instruction?) __________________ Commercial Pilot, CE-500 Gold Seal CFI.II.MEI IGI Future GoJet Pilot.

November 26th, 2007, 09:16	#12
Douglas Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 51	Re: Student under the hood. . .how do you log it? Don't forget to log the approaches if you are in actual, too. __________________ CFI

November 27th, 2007, 19:14	#13
cfii2007 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,286	Re: Student under the hood. . .how do you log it? Actually you should wear a hood, just like your student. You can then log it as PIC and simulated instrumet. JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!

November 28th, 2007, 20:38	#14
beechpilot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: KAUG Posts: 427	Re: Student under the hood. . .how do you log it? I log the time under: As flight instructor, PIC, and total time.

November 29th, 2007, 20:02	#17
cfii2007 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,286	Re: Student under the hood. . .how do you log it? Good info...I've never logged it, and never will.

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