The CPC sylabus stinks!

[USMCmech]

I hate the darn thing!

There are far to many stage checks.

There is nowere enough time to do the nessacery amount of time in the pattern.

Skipping around the lessons is highly restircted.

The ground school labs leave far too much for the later lessons.


That coupled with a lack of aviliable check airmen at my school drives me bonkers.

[DE727UPS]

This is why I haven't like part 141 since I was introduced to it in 1982.

[USMCmech]

Originally Posted by DE727UPS

This is why I haven't like part 141 since I was introduced to it in 1982.

Honestly, I don't see a single advantage to useing Pt 141 for a PPL.

Other than financing and imigration, which have nothing to do with actuall flight instruction.

[sefro]

The CPC stuff is a joke. Some where I have written down all of the errors in the IFR book that they give you with that kit. I finally got to the point where I would just turn off the sound and study out off the FAA instrument procedures and instrument flying handbook. The worst part was the trouble I had with the computer sending my information to my school.
Seth

[mojo6911]

I feel sorry for my students. I can't take that many jokes from the Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire guy.



My biggest gripe with the CPC kit is that the students expect to complete each lesson in the alloted time that is in the chart in the back of the syllabus.

I do like the way the instrument syllabus is structured.

[bike21]

More like guidelines methinks

[Screaming_Emu]

the worst part about CPC is having to watch the Kings.

[sefro]

Originally Posted by Screaming_Emu

the worst part about CPC is having to watch the Kings.

I dont know martha king is pretty hot!!!!
Seth

[mattp1803]

Originally Posted by sefro

I dont know martha king is pretty hot!!!!
Seth

Soooo truuuuuuee .................................................. ..............

[exleardriver]

i don't do part 141, but i'm a career instructor now and have my own ideas and ways for teaching to tailor to the needs of the individual. part 141 does have it's place however. the faa recognized the phenomenon of 'time-building' instructors and sought a way to help standardize training methods to improve overall quality across the country. it works, particularly for an instructor who doesn't take as much of his own time to plan lessons and is essentially building time. this is not to say that 141 instructors are bad..quality varies from teacher to teacher, but part 141 has worked to improve and standardize what the faa wants to see.

[Cessnaflyer]

I work at a 141 school and I have to say that it is very nice to be able to have all the instructors and students on the same page. The standardization really helps and procedures for each aircraft can be followed correctly.

[bike21]

A 141 syllabus (CPC structure) certainly isn't the devil, hence my 'guidelines' comment a few posts back. There is actually a little more flexibility than the syllabus and naysayers lead you to believe. Granted you can't get crazy with jumping around lessons and not adhering to the content or time constraints, but no one including a POI will go nuts if it all basically adds up in the end.

[exleardriver]

Originally Posted by Cessnaflyer

I work at a 141 school and I have to say that it is very nice to be able to have all the instructors and students on the same page. The standardization really helps and procedures for each aircraft can be followed correctly.

and that is indeed a good vote in part 141's favor..standardized procedures are a necessity, especially for students who intend to ever work as a crew part 91, 121 or 135..or for sure single-pilot ifr.

[ATOflyer]

Originally Posted by Cessnaflyer

I work at a 141 school and I have to say that it is very nice to be able to have all the instructors and students on the same page. The standardization really helps and procedures for each aircraft can be followed correctly.

Exactly. If an instructor were to leave his/her student halfway through their training and left them with you, you would know exactly where to pick up from without having to rehash many other things and waste the student's time and money.

[Cessnaflyer]

Theres not many places anymore where you can rent for close to 200 hours and reach Commercial ASEL and CFI for sub $30k. I am on track to make my money back from the college by CFIing for them now!


I believe the 141 structure helped me so much in reaching that mark

[barnstormer09]

Originally Posted by sefro

I dont know martha king is pretty hot!!!!
Seth

lol. One of the guys in my PPL ground class took a screen shot of Martha pointing to the LDmax curve (which had the caption TOTAL DRAG) and added the text "These videos are a" right above the chart. It's still hanging from the bulletin board at the FBO, even though my school has their own program and we don't use the CPC stuff or that FBO anymore.

[OldComputerGuy]

I've worked at two different flight schools, each with a very different corporate culture. (Both schools were CPC's, by the way.) The first one, each student was assigned a primary instructor, and had a secondary instructor for those times when the student wanted to fly and his/her primary wasn't available. Since you knew your students (and knew them well), it wasn't as crucial that everything be so standardized and regimented, though ironically it was this school that had better standardization of procedures.

At my present school, the students can fly with whomever they want, whenever they want, and use the online scheduling system to book their own lessons. So you never know who is going to show up on your schedule and when. Without the sylabus, you'd have a hard time finding out exactly what you're supposed to be working on with the student.

Between the two schools, I felt that the first one had a much better setup. Unfortunately, that school is no longer around, hence my move to the other school.

[DE727UPS]

61 can be as "structured" as 141. Use the same syllabus and there is no difference.

[exleardriver]

Originally Posted by OldComputerGuy

At my present school, the students can fly with whomever they want, whenever they want, and use the online scheduling system to book their own lessons. So you never know who is going to show up on your schedule and when. Without the sylabus, you'd have a hard time finding out exactly what you're supposed to be working on with the student.

Between the two schools, I felt that the first one had a much better setup. Unfortunately, that school is no longer around, hence my move to the other school.

wow..i would definitely not favor this approach. sticking with a single instructor pays off for students. i wouldn't like this as a student, nor as an instructor. you managing with this okay?

[killbilly]

Originally Posted by exleardriver

wow..i would definitely not favor this approach. sticking with a single instructor pays off for students. i wouldn't like this as a student, nor as an instructor. you managing with this okay?

This is the big reason I went the flying club route with and instructor who does not depend on instructing for his livelihood. The downside is scheduling, but since I'm not in a major hurry it works out.

[Douglas]

cpc is a joke.
I never heard of it until I moved for my CFI job.
Me and Jepp, got along great.