Wings program

highflying · September 14th, 2003, 17:20

Can someone explain to me the wings program??

PFactor · September 14th, 2003, 17:33

All you need/want to know about it is in the FAR/AIM

Hollywood · September 15th, 2003, 08:55

it is a pilot proficiency program which can be done instead of a biannual flight review. there are like 20 different phases you can do. after you complete a phase you are given a pair of "wings" showing that you completed the phase. you get a different pair of wings each time you complete a phase. this is for the first ten phases. after that, you just get a certificate of completion for each phase. you must wait twelve months to start the next phase after you complete one. to complete the first phase, you must recieve one hour of flight training that includes basic ppl maneuvers, one hour of landings to include short/soft t/o and landings, croswind t/o- landings, normal approaches, and one hour of basic instrument training. flight instructors can recieve their wings by putting three students through the program successfully. flight instructors do not need to wait twelve months to put students through different phases. i busted my initial cfi because i didn't know every aspect of this program

pavelump · September 15th, 2003, 11:23

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i busted my initial cfi because i didn't know every aspect of this program

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That's lame.

MikeD · September 15th, 2003, 11:25

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i busted my initial cfi because i didn't know every aspect of this program

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That's lame.

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Agree. I'd love to have the name of that dip##### examiner. Give him/her a MikeD special kick in the ass for that one.

EatSleepFly · September 15th, 2003, 11:30

Hell yeah thats lame. Shoot, I still have to look up info. on that program when I have a student that wants to do it.

Mr_Creepy · September 15th, 2003, 11:55

Guys, you will lose that one. It's mentioned in the new PTS. The Pilot Proficiency Program is now mandatory knowledge for the CFI Oral.

The FAA is serious about that program and is insisting that all new CFIs are fully aware of its workings.

EatSleepFly · September 15th, 2003, 11:59

Hmm...must be since I got my CFI. It wasn't mentioned once...not one single time...during my CFI training. I know about it now though, since I've put a few people through it. I think its a better program than the usual BFR's.

Hollywood · September 15th, 2003, 12:22

i was pretty pissed. my flight partner went to him a week before me and the guy never even asked him about it. worse yet, when he asked me what it was i gave him the correct answer. i just couldn't go into enough detail about it. i feel that if an examiner is going to bust you on something, he should at least ask everyone. if it's important enough to bust on, then he should make sure all applicants know it.

Mr_Creepy · September 15th, 2003, 15:18

I agree! It needs to get out to the CFIs. I think it should be mentioned in the 14 CFRs too. Not sure why it isn't. Probably some liability issue.

pavelump · September 15th, 2003, 15:37

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Guys, you will lose that one. It's mentioned in the new PTS. The Pilot Proficiency Program is now mandatory knowledge for the CFI Oral.

The FAA is serious about that program and is insisting that all new CFIs are fully aware of its workings.

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I'm not saying that you're wrong, but could you point out where in the current PTS that it says that?

Dave

Mr_Creepy · September 15th, 2003, 16:54

No I can't because it is not released yet

I misspoke if I said it was already out - sorry!

Hollywood · September 15th, 2003, 19:04

my point exactly! it's not in my PTS. i've been told many times that "if it's not in the PTS they can't bust you". NOT TRUE. technically their not supposed to but they can do whatever they want.

n2o2diver · September 16th, 2003, 02:52

I just finished CFI ground school recently and I've never heard of it and if its not in the PTS how can it be testable? is the an AC that mandates it? if not I'd call the FSDO and check into it. Sounds like some personal "ism" .

pavelump · September 16th, 2003, 07:37

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No I can't because it is not released yet

I misspoke if I said it was already out - sorry!

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I wasn't aware that they were releasing another version of the PTS... The most current one is dated August 2002. Wasn't it's previous version from 1996 or something like that?

Dave

MikeD · September 17th, 2003, 02:45

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NOT TRUE. technically their not supposed to but they can do whatever they want.

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And that's why most dip##### DEs and fed examiners need a kick in the ass.

September 14th, 2003, 17:20	#1
highflying Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 22	Wings program Can someone explain to me the wings program??

September 14th, 2003, 17:33	#2
PFactor Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 135	Re: Wings program All you need/want to know about it is in the FAR/AIM

September 15th, 2003, 08:55	#3
Hollywood Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: florida Posts: 286	Re: Wings program it is a pilot proficiency program which can be done instead of a biannual flight review. there are like 20 different phases you can do. after you complete a phase you are given a pair of "wings" showing that you completed the phase. you get a different pair of wings each time you complete a phase. this is for the first ten phases. after that, you just get a certificate of completion for each phase. you must wait twelve months to start the next phase after you complete one. to complete the first phase, you must recieve one hour of flight training that includes basic ppl maneuvers, one hour of landings to include short/soft t/o and landings, croswind t/o- landings, normal approaches, and one hour of basic instrument training. flight instructors can recieve their wings by putting three students through the program successfully. flight instructors do not need to wait twelve months to put students through different phases. i busted my initial cfi because i didn't know every aspect of this program

September 15th, 2003, 11:23	#4
pavelump Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 790	Re: Wings program [ QUOTE ] i busted my initial cfi because i didn't know every aspect of this program [/ QUOTE ] That's lame.

September 15th, 2003, 11:25	#5
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Wings program [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i busted my initial cfi because i didn't know every aspect of this program [/ QUOTE ] That's lame. [/ QUOTE ] Agree. I'd love to have the name of that dip##### examiner. Give him/her a MikeD special kick in the ass for that one.

September 15th, 2003, 11:30	#6
EatSleepFly Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ?? Posts: 4,600	Re: Wings program Hell yeah thats lame. Shoot, I still have to look up info. on that program when I have a student that wants to do it.

September 15th, 2003, 11:55	#7
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,810	Re: Wings program Guys, you will lose that one. It's mentioned in the new PTS. The Pilot Proficiency Program is now mandatory knowledge for the CFI Oral. The FAA is serious about that program and is insisting that all new CFIs are fully aware of its workings.

September 15th, 2003, 11:59	#8
EatSleepFly Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ?? Posts: 4,600	Re: Wings program Hmm...must be since I got my CFI. It wasn't mentioned once...not one single time...during my CFI training. I know about it now though, since I've put a few people through it. I think its a better program than the usual BFR's.

September 15th, 2003, 12:22	#9
Hollywood Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: florida Posts: 286	Re: Wings program i was pretty pissed. my flight partner went to him a week before me and the guy never even asked him about it. worse yet, when he asked me what it was i gave him the correct answer. i just couldn't go into enough detail about it. i feel that if an examiner is going to bust you on something, he should at least ask everyone. if it's important enough to bust on, then he should make sure all applicants know it.

September 15th, 2003, 15:18	#10
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,810	Re: Wings program I agree! It needs to get out to the CFIs. I think it should be mentioned in the 14 CFRs too. Not sure why it isn't. Probably some liability issue.

September 15th, 2003, 15:37	#11
pavelump Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 790	Re: Wings program [ QUOTE ] Guys, you will lose that one. It's mentioned in the new PTS. The Pilot Proficiency Program is now mandatory knowledge for the CFI Oral. The FAA is serious about that program and is insisting that all new CFIs are fully aware of its workings. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not saying that you're wrong, but could you point out where in the current PTS that it says that? Dave

September 15th, 2003, 16:54	#12
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,810	Re: Wings program No I can't because it is not released yet I misspoke if I said it was already out - sorry!

September 15th, 2003, 19:04	#13
Hollywood Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: florida Posts: 286	Re: Wings program my point exactly! it's not in my PTS. i've been told many times that "if it's not in the PTS they can't bust you". NOT TRUE. technically their not supposed to but they can do whatever they want.

September 16th, 2003, 02:52	#14
n2o2diver Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Livin the Dream Posts: 220	Re: Wings program I just finished CFI ground school recently and I've never heard of it and if its not in the PTS how can it be testable? is the an AC that mandates it? if not I'd call the FSDO and check into it. Sounds like some personal "ism" .

September 16th, 2003, 07:37	#15
pavelump Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 790	Re: Wings program [ QUOTE ] No I can't because it is not released yet I misspoke if I said it was already out - sorry! [/ QUOTE ] I wasn't aware that they were releasing another version of the PTS... The most current one is dated August 2002. Wasn't it's previous version from 1996 or something like that? Dave

September 17th, 2003, 02:45	#16
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Wings program [ QUOTE ] NOT TRUE. technically their not supposed to but they can do whatever they want. [/ QUOTE ] And that's why most dip##### DEs and fed examiners need a kick in the ass.

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