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Old August 8th, 2007, 09:26   #1
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If one is rated and current for a particular aircraft and is receiving instrument training from a CFII, can the time be logged as both actual and PIC?
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Old August 8th, 2007, 09:37   #2
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Old August 8th, 2007, 14:58   #3
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If one is rated and current for a particular aircraft
You don't even have to be 'current', and you don't have to say 'particular aircraft', the word 'rated' means the 'rating' on your pilot certificate, under the word "Ratings", such as, 'Airplane Single Engine Land'.

It does not mean 'rated' as in qualified to be PIC, such as endorsements or currency, or instrument rated.

According to the regulation governing Logging PIC Time, FAR 61.51(e)
you only have to be 'rated', as in ASEL, and be the sole manipulator of the controls, and you can log PIC. That does NOT mean you can ACT as the PIC, but you may log it as PIC.

You don't have to be current, or have a medical, or have a current flight review, or have ever manipulated the controls of this flying machine ever before.

You can be out of flying 10 years, go up with a friend who has a Malibu, or a Bonanza, or a tailwheel Pitts, or whatever it is, and log PIC for all the time you were the sole manipulator.

Oh, yeah, IMC time too. None of that matters. Someone else, the instructor, or another current qualified pilot is the PIC. You're not.
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Old August 9th, 2007, 13:11   #5
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You can be out of flying 10 years, go up with a friend who has a Malibu, or a Bonanza, or a tailwheel Pitts, or whatever it is, and log PIC for all the time you were the sole manipulator.
Are you talking about having a Flight Review done in this situation or not? If he does not have a Flight Review he can not log PIC, AFAIK.
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Are you talking about having a Flight Review done in this situation or not? If he does not have a Flight Review he can not log PIC, AFAIK.
Wrong. He can log it, just cannot act it. It's been beaten to death here. Feel free to do a search and if you don't come up with it, somebody'll help you out. I'm on my way out the door...
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