low enroute

planejay · January 27th, 2007, 12:40

Recently I had a CFII student as me "why do some of the VORs's on the low enroute have a compass rose and others do not?" I answered with the response that I had been taught in my CFII training that being, "they are terminal VOR." After that he preceeded to show me some terminal VORs that had them, essentially proving me wrong and making me scratch my head. So I guess my question is, why do some have them and some don't? One answer that I remember hearing is that the VOR's that are unmonitored will not have a compass rose, but I can't back any of those up with literature. Thanks for the help.
-Jason

DE727UPS · January 27th, 2007, 16:16

How about if they are part of an airway?

I'm guessing...

tgrayson · January 27th, 2007, 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by planejay

"why do some of the VORs's on the low enroute have a compass rose and others do not?"
-Jason

Probably just reducing chart clutter.

triple7 · January 27th, 2007, 16:47

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Originally Posted by DE727UPS

How about if they are part of an airway?

I'm guessing...

VOR that is a part of an airway has a shaded box on jepps...not sure about NACO though.

meritflyer · January 27th, 2007, 20:10

The VORs with a compass rose are VORTACs.

mtsu_av8er · January 27th, 2007, 20:56

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Originally Posted by meritflyer

The VORs with a compass rose are VORTACs.

Whoa - that is absolutely, 100%, incorrect. Take a look at a low enroute chart, and you will see plenty of VORs and VOR/DMEs with compass roses.

The only logic that I can find it that VORs with Airways and/or other fixes associated with them will have a compass rose. NAVAIDS without any associated airways and/or fixed will NOT have a compass rose.

JimmyDean · January 27th, 2007, 21:14

On Jepp charts, every VOR has a compass rose surrounding the location of the VOR.

On NACO charts, VORs which are a part of the federal airway structure have a compass rose. Other VORs (i.e., used for IAPs only) do not have a compass rose.

meritflyer · January 27th, 2007, 21:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

The only logic that I can find it that VORs with Airways and/or other fixes associated with them will have a compass rose. NAVAIDS without any associated airways and/or fixed will NOT have a compass rose.

Take a look at the Jepp legend. TACAN or DME have a dark wheel around them.

Thats what I meant on my first post.

You're correct about the compass rose defining an airway.

Ian J · January 27th, 2007, 21:47

While we're playing games here - some town names are underlined on sectionals, some are not. Why?

mtsu_av8er · January 27th, 2007, 22:17

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Originally Posted by ChinookDriver

While we're playing games here - some town names are underlined on sectionals, some are not. Why?

I thought you were going to challenge me!!

The names of towns that are used as VFR Reporting points!

Ian J · January 27th, 2007, 22:22

Right you are!

meritflyer · January 27th, 2007, 22:59

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Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

I thought you were going to challenge me!!

Can you hack into the aquatic purchasing summary to see if anyone has bought a tank or supplies to house a dolphin?

mtsu_av8er · January 28th, 2007, 00:42

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Originally Posted by meritflyer

Can you hack into the aquatic purchasing summary to see if anyone has bought a tank or supplies to house a dolphin?

Ahhh, finally a challenge!

Well, no - I can't do that - but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night!

tgrayson · January 28th, 2007, 01:04

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Originally Posted by JimmyDean

On NACO charts, VORs which are a part of the federal airway structure have a compass rose. Other VORs (i.e., used for IAPs only) do not have a compass rose.

Do you have documentation? I have several examples on my MEM sectional that indicate this is not true.

surreal1221 · January 28th, 2007, 02:22

I don't think he is talking about sectionals, but rather low-altitude enroute NACO charts.

tgrayson · January 28th, 2007, 02:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by surreal1221

I don't think he is talking about sectionals, but rather low-altitude enroute NACO charts.

Ah, you're right. I guess that's why the thread is titled "low enroute". For some reason, I kept picturing a sectional. Maybe it's because I had one next to my computer.

Ian J · January 28th, 2007, 08:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by tgrayson

Ah, you're right. I guess that's why the thread is titled "low enroute". For some reason, I kept picturing a sectional. Maybe it's because I had one next to my computer.

Dork!

Kidding, I have approach plates and a Duchess POH next to mine.

surreal1221 · January 29th, 2007, 14:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by tgrayson

Ah, you're right. I guess that's why the thread is titled "low enroute". For some reason, I kept picturing a sectional. Maybe it's because I had one next to my computer.

No worries! I figured I could give you the benefit of the doubt since you are one hell of a knowledgable figure elsewhere on these forums.

planejay · January 29th, 2007, 21:32

I believe that someone said that they only have the compass rose if used in the airway system. According to a lady from NACO charting office all High and Low VORs will have a compass rose, a terminal will only have one if used with V-airways or SID/STAR. Thanks for the help.
-Jason

January 27th, 2007, 12:40	#1
planejay Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: from CO in tulsa, ok Posts: 237	low enroute Recently I had a CFII student as me "why do some of the VORs's on the low enroute have a compass rose and others do not?" I answered with the response that I had been taught in my CFII training that being, "they are terminal VOR." After that he preceeded to show me some terminal VORs that had them, essentially proving me wrong and making me scratch my head. So I guess my question is, why do some have them and some don't? One answer that I remember hearing is that the VOR's that are unmonitored will not have a compass rose, but I can't back any of those up with literature. Thanks for the help. -Jason __________________ captain 152heavy Join NIFA!!!!!!! Gold Seal CFI, CFII, MEI, IGI

January 27th, 2007, 16:16	#2
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,550	Re: low enroute How about if they are part of an airway? I'm guessing...

January 27th, 2007, 20:10	#5
meritflyer Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Winchestertonfieldville Posts: 6,747	Re: low enroute The VORs with a compass rose are VORTACs. __________________ The simplest answer tends to be correct.

January 27th, 2007, 21:14	#7
JimmyDean Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: MHT/LGA Posts: 143	Re: low enroute On Jepp charts, every VOR has a compass rose surrounding the location of the VOR. On NACO charts, VORs which are a part of the federal airway structure have a compass rose. Other VORs (i.e., used for IAPs only) do not have a compass rose.

January 27th, 2007, 21:47	#9
Ian J Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nashville Posts: 6,000 Blog Entries: 7	Re: low enroute While we're playing games here - some town names are underlined on sectionals, some are not. Why? __________________

January 27th, 2007, 22:22	#11
Ian J Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nashville Posts: 6,000 Blog Entries: 7	Re: low enroute Right you are! __________________

January 28th, 2007, 02:22	#15
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 9,862	Re: low enroute I don't think he is talking about sectionals, but rather low-altitude enroute NACO charts. __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \| The TRoP \| Rmble On \| ALPA \| IVAW \| ACLU \|

January 29th, 2007, 21:32	#19
planejay Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: from CO in tulsa, ok Posts: 237	Re: low enroute I believe that someone said that they only have the compass rose if used in the airway system. According to a lady from NACO charting office all High and Low VORs will have a compass rose, a terminal will only have one if used with V-airways or SID/STAR. Thanks for the help. -Jason __________________ captain 152heavy Join NIFA!!!!!!! Gold Seal CFI, CFII, MEI, IGI

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