Currency Question

PanJet · January 10th, 2007, 14:25

I know the question of logging/acting PIC has been beat to death on this forum, but I thought I'd ask this question anyway.

In FAR 61.57 they talk about pilot currency. As I'm sure most of you know about these regs, I'm sure you know that it says that no person may "act" as PIC of an aircraft carrying passengers without three landings in the last 90 days, etc. etc. etc.

I have two questions.

Question #1:
Can a pilot regain his/her currency while flying with another current pilot?

Example: Two private pilots go flying at night, one is night current, one is not. Can the non-current pilot do his three stop and gos for currency while the other pilot is onboard?

My interpretation is yes, because the pilot who's current would be "acting" as PIC while the non-current pilot would be sole-manipulator, and under 61.57 the only thing for regaining currency is that the pilot must have "acted as the sole manipulator of the flight controls" while doing the takeoffs and landings. Would both pilots be able to log the time in this case?

Question #2:
Can a non-current pilot act as a safety-pilot?

My interpretation is no. Doesn't a safety pilot have to be able to "act" as PIC while the pilot under the hood is the sole-manipulator?

Please feel free to correct my interpretations or add to this. I'm open for learning.

nosehair · January 10th, 2007, 15:15

#1 Yes, as you explained. However, the non-flying pilot, who is the PIC, cannot log the time. Only the 'sole manipulator' can log time, except in the case of instructing with a CFI.

#2 also yes, but he cannot be PIC. A safety pilot does not have to be the PIC, he can be a "safety pilot" and not be current. He does not have to meet PIC requirements.

If he wants to be and log PIC time, then he must be current.

MidlifeFlyer · January 10th, 2007, 16:30

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Question #1:
Can a pilot regain his/her currency while flying with another current pilot?

Example: Two private pilots go flying at night, one is night current, one is not. Can the non-current pilot do his three stop and gos for currency while the other pilot is onboard? My interpretation is yes, because the pilot who's current would be "acting" as PIC while the non-current pilot would be sole-manipulator, and under 61.57 the only thing for regaining currency is that the pilot must have "acted as the sole manipulator of the flight controls" while doing the takeoffs and landings.

Yes. For exactly the same reason you figured out.

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Would both pilots be able to log the time in this case?

No. Pilots are limited to 61.51(e) for logging PIC. Acting as PIC on a flight, but not being sole manipulator doesn't not qualify one to log the time as PIC unless (1) at least two pilots are required by regulation for the flight, (2) the PIC is an ATP peforming PIC duties for which an ATP is required, or (3) the nonflying pilot is a CFI giving instruction to the flying pilot.

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Question #2:
Can a non-current pilot act as a safety-pilot?

My interpretation is no. Doesn't a safety pilot have to be able to "act" as PIC while the pilot under the hood is the sole-manipulator?

Yes, a non-current pilot may act as safety pilot. All the safety pilot needs category and class ratings and a current medical.

No, a safety pilot does =not= have to "act" as PIC while the non-current pilot is under the hood. The hooded pilot (so long as qualified) may continue to act as PIC while under the hood. Whether the hooded pilot or the safety pilot is the designated PIC on the flight is between them, subject to obvious stuff like qualifications, ratings, endorsements, currency, and insurance requirements.

clumpinglitter · January 10th, 2007, 20:16

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Originally Posted by MidlifeFlyer

No, a safety pilot does =not= have to "act" as PIC while the non-current pilot is under the hood. The hooded pilot (so long as qualified) may continue to act as PIC while under the hood. Whether the hooded pilot or the safety pilot is the designated PIC on the flight is between them, subject to obvious stuff like qualifications, ratings, endorsements, currency, and insurance requirements.

But in this case, where the hooded pilot is both "acting PIC" and sole manipulator, the safety pilot wouldn't be able to log anything, correct?

-C.

E6BAV8R · January 10th, 2007, 23:04

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Originally Posted by clumpinglitter

But in this case, where the hooded pilot is both "acting PIC" and sole manipulator, the safety pilot wouldn't be able to log anything, correct?

-C.

Correct. The safety pilot wouldn't be current.

ananoman · January 11th, 2007, 05:21

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Originally Posted by clumpinglitter

But in this case, where the hooded pilot is both "acting PIC" and sole manipulator, the safety pilot wouldn't be able to log anything, correct?

-C.

It is just as valid to log SIC if you are a safety pilot. You are still a required crew member. As an added bonus, as a SIC you don't need to be current on your landings.

MidlifeFlyer · January 11th, 2007, 08:20

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Originally Posted by ananoman

It is just as valid to log SIC if you are a safety pilot. You are still a required crew member. As an added bonus, as a SIC you don't need to be current on your landings.

Yup. That's right. A safety pilot who is not acting as PIC is permitted to log SIC time under 61.51(f)(2).

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January 10th, 2007, 14:25	#1
PanJet Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: WA Posts: 559	Currency Question I know the question of logging/acting PIC has been beat to death on this forum, but I thought I'd ask this question anyway. In FAR 61.57 they talk about pilot currency. As I'm sure most of you know about these regs, I'm sure you know that it says that no person may "act" as PIC of an aircraft carrying passengers without three landings in the last 90 days, etc. etc. etc. I have two questions. Question #1: Can a pilot regain his/her currency while flying with another current pilot? Example: Two private pilots go flying at night, one is night current, one is not. Can the non-current pilot do his three stop and gos for currency while the other pilot is onboard? My interpretation is yes, because the pilot who's current would be "acting" as PIC while the non-current pilot would be sole-manipulator, and under 61.57 the only thing for regaining currency is that the pilot must have "acted as the sole manipulator of the flight controls" while doing the takeoffs and landings. Would both pilots be able to log the time in this case? Question #2: Can a non-current pilot act as a safety-pilot? My interpretation is no. Doesn't a safety pilot have to be able to "act" as PIC while the pilot under the hood is the sole-manipulator? Please feel free to correct my interpretations or add to this. I'm open for learning. __________________ "Do you want to be a co-captain or a button pushing $@%#$ ??" -Friend Commercial Pilot-ASEL, AMEL, IA CFI, CFII, MEI 1,450TT/200ME Part 61 CFI and college student Former aerial photo pilot

January 10th, 2007, 15:15	#2
nosehair Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 624	Re: Currency Question #1 Yes, as you explained. However, the non-flying pilot, who is the PIC, cannot log the time. Only the 'sole manipulator' can log time, except in the case of instructing with a CFI. #2 also yes, but he cannot be PIC. A safety pilot does not have to be the PIC, he can be a "safety pilot" and not be current. He does not have to meet PIC requirements. If he wants to be and log PIC time, then he must be current.